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Joined June 2017

Speed-reader who's trying to slow down...
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From Here to the Great Unknown: A Memoir | Lisa Marie Presley, Riley Keough
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Audio-puzzling with a view!

I don‘t have a huge interest in Elvis or his life, but this was well-reviewed on here and was available on audio on BorrowBox so I thought I‘d give it a go, and I‘m so glad I did.

It‘s an unusual format, but really worked to tell Lisa Marie‘s (and Riley‘s) story. I learned so much about their lives, most of it heartbreakingly sad, but Riley took care to tell how great a mother Lisa Marie was.

TheSpineView Beautiful 22h
AmyG Well, that is lovely! 21h
Kimzey That‘s my ideal vacation set up! Audiobook, jigsaw puzzle, and ocean view! 21h
Deblovestoread Great review and a lovely view. 💜 18h
BarbaraBB Great set up! I used to love Elvis when I was a kid, and keep hearing this is so good on audio… 🤨 9h
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I struggled to get into this at the start, the art world seemed rather impenetrable, filled with obnoxious, entitled people, mainly men. But then I realised that this is the whole point of the book and I ended up loving it almost* as much as I did Olga Dies Dreaming.

Anita is a rising star in the art world in 1985 when she is found dead. Raquel, a student of colour, feels out of her depth at Brown, until she meets an older very privileged ⬇️

squirrelbrain …male student and gets drawn into his life. I can see how this would make for great discussions as part of ToB. *My only niggle is the introduction of Santeria, Puerto Rican black magic. I can see how it was needed as a device to move the story along but it didn‘t work for me. 23h
BarbaraBB Sounds like a ToB book indeed! I keep checking their website. “Mid November” is almost over! 9h
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Book 21 in the Kim Stone series, not in the database yet, out in the UK on 10th December.

Yes, it‘s as good as all the rest! If you love Kim you‘ll love this one and, if you‘ve never read any before, then you‘ve got a gripping, fabulous long series to start!

This time, someone is leaving cryptic clues for the team to follow, otherwise something terrible will happen…. And can the team actually work alongside Frost?!

TrishB Excited 😁 have on pre-order! 22h
BarbaraBB I‘ve read a few but wasn‘t really invested. Trish and you assured me it would be worth continuing but I didn‘t. Too many books etc. Now I‘m on the fence again! 9h
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Mina's Matchbox | Yoko Ogawa
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Quite different to the other Ogawa books I‘ve read, this was very sweet and whimsical and not very ‘challenging‘ or complicated at all.

Tomoko, aged 12, is sent to live in her Uncle‘s opulent mansion, where she makes friends with her cousin Mina who is one year younger and in delicate health.

It did read like a children‘s book at times and I loved it whilst reading it, but it‘s immediately gone out of my mind since I finished it.

squirrelbrain Have you read this one yet, Barbara? @BarbaraBB (edited) 2d
sarahbarnes This is on my list - I‘m intrigued even though it does sound so different from her others. 2d
BarbaraBB I haven‘t! I bought a copy in Manchester but haven‘t gotten to it yet. Curious about it after your review! 2d
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squirrelbrain I think you‘ll both like it, even though it‘s rather different! @sarahbarnes @BarbaraBB 2d
willaful Is there “Secret Garden“ inspiration? 2d
squirrelbrain No, I don‘t think there is @willaful - no-one is cantankerous and, although Mina is ill, Tomoko doesn‘t ‘rescue‘ her. 22h
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Wild Ground: A Novel | Emily Usher
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I picked this up at the Amnesty Bookshop in York, on tour with @MicheleinPhilly ☺️

Set in Yorkshire it follows Neef and Danny as they meet as teens, then grow up together. Neef has never had a dad and her Mum can barely look after herself. Danny‘s Mum died and his Dad (a Black man) is perceived as a trouble-maker, so you can imagine how their lives furl out.

It‘s a tough read and *isn‘t* like Normal People, as claimed on the blurb.

TrishB Sounds interesting 👍🏻 and great pic. 3d
MicheleinPhilly I want to go to there. 😍 3d
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Annie Bot | Sierra Greer
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A rather disturbing read for me, but one that really made me think. Annie is a ‘cuddle bunny‘ AI robot living with Doug, a 34 year old man who has issues with Annie becoming auto-didactic and therefore more human like.

The juxtaposition of the sex scenes and Doug‘s abuse of Annie was really uncomfortable and the book raised questions about what it is to be human and what constitutes abuse.

BarbaraBB That is a good question indeed. I felt less uncomfortable reading it but I‘ve had the same question after finishing it. 4d
Suet624 Hmmm… I‘ve been avoiding this one. Your review explains why. 4d
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I got the ARC of this ages ago but never got round to it so thank you @BarbaraBB for bumping it up my TBR.

I loved it (read it in 2 hours) but it was totally not as expected from the blurb. That suggests it‘s a ghost story with a recently-deceased Max watching his girlfriend Hannah, but that‘s only a very minor part of this utterly fascinating novel.

It‘s quite a tough read though, covering past trauma and abuse amongst other difficult topics.

BarbaraBB Great review and you‘re right about the blurb. I expected a totally different book too. 1w
Megabooks Well, if you two both loved it, I'm sold. @barbarabb 1w
squirrelbrain You‘ll really like it @Megabooks I‘m sure! 1w
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BarbaraBB Don‘t buy it @Megabooks 😉🎄 1w
Megabooks @BarbaraBB yayayay!! 🎅🏼 1w
Cathythoughts Stacked 👍🏻❤️ 6d
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I‘m so glad I picked this at Gladstone‘s during Blind Date With A Book - thanks Jess! @jhod

This is an autobiographical novel - the author herself was in and out of prison for sex work and other petty crimes and died aged just 29 in 1967.

It‘s definitely a French novel, with that curious dispassionate, distant, style that is so common but I felt sad for the MC in her emotionless, grubby world and I want to read the author‘s other (2) novels.

BarbaraBB I saw the photo and thought where do I know that cover from? Gladstone‘s of course. Seems a long time ago already! 2w
TrishB Great review 👍🏻 2w
squirrelbrain It does seem like a long time ago doesn‘t it? @BarbaraBB Only a month ago though! 🤷‍♀️ 2w
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Susanita Same! 2w
sarahbarnes Great description of French writing. 1w
jhod Ah that's great! So pleased it was a good'n! 4d
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Playground | Richard Powers
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I started this on audio and struggled to connect so switched to physical. However, whilst I really enjoyed the book overall, I think the lack of human connection might have been the issue rather than audio.

Neither of the two male MCs was very relatable and there was too much distance between all of the stories - they sort of came together at the end but I didn‘t feel emotionally connected.

It would still have made my #booker shortlist.

BarbaraBB I have this one waiting on my shelves 2w
quietlycuriouskate I loved it but, yes, there was an emotional coolness to it. 2w
Hooked_on_books I‘m glad you finally got to read it! I liked both storylines but I didn‘t really want them in the same book. 1w
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Catalina | Karla Cornejo Villavicencio
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Playing catch-up with reviews….

I really liked this novel, which did feel rather like a memoir at times, and it feels even more relevant now after the events of last week, being about undocumented migrants.

At times it was a little bit too ‘stream of consciousness‘ for me and I struggled to understand the relevance or tangent of Catalina‘s thoughts but, overall, a hard-hitting worthwhile read.

Thank you for gifting it to me @MicheleinPhilly 😘

TrishB I thought you‘d read all these today! 2w
squirrelbrain No, not today @TrishB ! I have just had an hour or two of reading though, instead of working! 👏 2w
TrishB Good for you! I have the lurgy- cough/cold (not covid) so haven‘t been able to do any work due to feeling so ill! 2w
squirrelbrain Oh no! @TrishB Hope you feel better soon. 2w
MicheleinPhilly I‘m glad you enjoyed it. 😘 1w
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Untitled | Unknown
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Leaving this here for those who need it this week….

From today‘s Guardian newspaper in the UK, literary comfort novels that tell us ‘despite everything, it‘s going to be OK‘

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/nov/09/it-will-renew-your-faith-in-humani...

Traci1 Thank you for sharing this. ❤️ 2w
seibelsays Oh this was needed. Thanks for sharing! 2w
CarolynM Some interesting selections there. I was pleasantly surprised to see The Millstone included. I agree with what she says about it, it‘s an old favourite. 2w
BarbaraBB 🩷🩷🩷 2w
squirrelbrain That‘s one of the books on the list that I hadn‘t read @CarolynM - in fact, I‘ve never even heard of it. 😳 I shall keep an eye out for it. 2w
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The Postcard | Anne Berest
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Any American Littens from our #europacollective (or anyone who loved this book!) feel like cheering themselves up with a trip out to see Anne Berest speak?

Actually, just noticed that 3 of the 4 are in NY, so not really much of a tour, but still…..

Great to see there‘s a new book coming out too.

BarbaraBB Such good news about the new book! 2w
tpixie lol 😝 I just posted this also!!! I‘m sitting here thinking she‘s going be in Ohio tomorrow- Should I fly out? Or maybe I should take a quick trip to New York City next weekend. Too bad flights are so expensive. If I‘m going to spend money on a flight, I need to spend more time at the destination than just a quick weekend fly and fly out! 2w
squirrelbrain You should totally do it! @tpixie - plan a whole bookshop tour of NYC to make it worth your while! 🤪 2w
tpixie @squirrelbrain wouldn‘t that be fun!! 2w
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The New Rooster | Rilla Alexander
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#ToBwaiting

Great idea @BarbaraBB to post our thoughts on what might be on the ToB longlist, but very difficult to choose just 6!

I haven‘t read any of these but either own them or have access to them on a platform such as Everand (my library apps are not ‘weird‘ enough for the ToB! 🤪)

I‘ll also tag two below that I think should be on the list but probably too UK-based to be included.

squirrelbrain I‘m listening to this one at the moment and LOVING it. 3w
squirrelbrain I haven‘t read this yet, but have it on audio. 3w
Ruthiella Ooh! I definitely want to read The Extinction of Irina Rey! I didn‘t think of the Hari Kunzru title, AND I OWN IT! 😂 3w
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squirrelbrain @ruthiella - I‘ve had Irena Rey on my Women‘s Prize and Booker prediction lists as well - I‘ve got to be right some time, haven‘t I?! 3w
BarbaraBB Oh wow these are so obscure I haven‘t heard of most of them! I have read Irena Rey but that‘s about it. So exciting! 3w
sarahbarnes Fun list! More for my TBR! 3w
Bookwormjillk I Cheerfully Refuse was on my summer list but I never got to it. Must do that soon. 3w
BkClubCare @BarbaraBB - actually this collection is more familiar to me, tho I haven‘t read any. It‘s so interesting what/when titles wiggle into the brain 🧠, huh? 🤔 NOT ENOUGH TIME 3w
BarbaraBB @BkClubCare It is, and how we end up liking such similar books! (edited) 3w
Megabooks Great choices, Helen! I‘m getting the Greenwell for Christmas and am very excited. I think it being about the US health system will hit hard. 😬😬 3w
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Entitlement | Rumaan Alam
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I was a bit disappointed with this, because I loved Leave The World Behind. Brooke starts working for a billionaire who wants to give away all his money before he dies, but she starts to become more greedy for herself.

Brooke, and her mother, were both awful people but I quite like books with terrible characters and the book certainly made me think.

What nearly turned it into a so-so for me was the nothing ending - it just fizzled out.

sarahbarnes I hate those kinds of endings. 4w
AmyG Uh oh. I loved Leave the World Behind. 4w
BarbaraBB That‘s too bad. I didn‘t love Leave the world behind that much so will probably take a pass on this one 4w
Cathythoughts I loved Leave the World Behind too. I‘ll give this one a go 🤞🏻 3w
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Behind You Is the Sea: A Novel | Susan Muaddi Darraj
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Loved this collection of interlinked short stories about Palestinian families and their descendants, living in the US.

I agree @arlenefinnigan - it was sometimes difficult to follow the familial links between the stories on audio but it didn‘t detract from my overall appreciation of the book.

arlenefinnigan Ah, really glad you enjoyed it! 4w
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Here One Moment | Liane Moriarty
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I finished this a couple of weeks ago, but only just realised I forgot to post a review. 🤦‍♀️

On a delayed Australian flight, an unremarkable lady stands up and starts telling all of the passengers how and when they‘re going to die.

I really couldn‘t see how Moriarty would bring this to a satisfactory conclusion but it ended up being far more than just satisfactory - fabulous if rather worrying in places!

Thank you for this gift, Holly! 😘

LeeRHarry Well that‘s interesting, I‘d given up after not really liking Nine Perfect Strangers. (edited) 1mo
Hooked_on_books You‘re welcome! I‘m so glad you liked it. And @LeeRHarry this is so different from NPS that it‘s like a different person wrote it. 1mo
AmyG @LeeRHarry Same but I picked it up because so many loved it. Still have to see for myself. 1mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I completely agree @hooked_on_books - it‘s completely different from all of her other stuff @LeeRHarry @amyg - there‘s much more depth for a start. 1mo
Cathythoughts Great review! I‘m reading it at the moment. It‘s really good 👍🏻 1mo
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I got the ARC of this from #netgalley, long before it was published in August, but it had mixed reviews so I wasn‘t really tempted. It‘s recently been announced as being one of the BBC Between The Covers books so I picked it up, and absolutely loved it.

It‘s really devastating though so be warned, with some CW. Following 3 different people in different timescales, all linked by water, I loved how it all came together in the end.

BarbaraBB Oh wow I wasn‘t really tempted either but I am now! 1mo
nanuska_153 I love Elif Shafak! And the covers of her books are always pretty, which I appreciate 😅 1mo
Caroline2 Oh yay! Glad this one was better than Glorious 😂 1mo
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squirrelbrain Yes, I think you‘d like it @BarbaraBB - have you read any other books by this author? 1mo
squirrelbrain Well, i finished it, so that‘s definitely better than Glorious! @caroline2 1mo
youneverarrived Stacking! I really liked this one by her 1mo
sarahbarnes I‘m intrigued by this one! Like @youneverarrived I liked 1mo
squirrelbrain I think you‘ll both like this then @youneverarrived @sarahbarnes if you liked Island of Missing Trees. I‘m not sure which I liked best out of the two - I can‘t make my mind up. 1mo
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I tried a few different books on my commute over the past few weeks that I just couldn‘t get on with on audio (Playground, Intermezzo etc) so I thought I‘d go with an ‘easier‘ listen.

This was going to be a so-so all of the way through because all of the twists were heavily signposted. But then they weren‘t. 😳 I didn‘t see THAT coming!

The female MC was so stupid though, and made terrible decisions, it drove me crackers. 🤪

BarbaraBB So a pick for you! I am curious now but I hate it when mc‘s make stupid decisions. It always feels to me as if the author has been lazy. 1mo
squirrelbrain I don‘t know if it was lazy @BarbaraBB or the author deliberately trying to throw the reader off the scent…. Either way it drove me crackers! 1mo
BkClubCare @squirrelbrain “drove me crackers” 😂 3w
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Forgotten on Sunday | Valrie Perrin
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Loved this, as I have loved all of Perrin‘s books. She writes melancholy stories so well.

I agree with you @BarbaraBB @TrishB - it‘s not quite as good as Fresh Water for Flowers, but what is?!

Thank you for gifting it to me Barbara! 😘

BarbaraBB Glad you loved it! ❤️ 1mo
TrishB ♥️ for the melancholy stories! 1mo
Tamra Can‘t wait for her most recent to be translated! 1mo
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Gleefulreader I also thought it wasn‘t quite as strong as her previous two books, but Perrin‘s not-quite-as strong is still better than many others‘ best offerings :) 1mo
squirrelbrain I can‘t either! @Tamra 1mo
squirrelbrain Exactly! 😀 @Gleefulreader (edited) 1mo
sarahbarnes Excited to get to this last one of hers! Not expecting another Fresh Water, but looking forward to it. 1mo
squirrelbrain @sarahbarnes - I think I‘d put it in between Fresh Water and Three. 1mo
sarahbarnes Oh that‘s good to know! 1mo
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Shy Creatures | Clare Chambers
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Oops, when I said Margo was my final review of the weekend, I didn‘t mean it! Finished this one yesterday and forgot to post it.

I loved Small Pleasures and this one lived up to it. Somehow, Chambers‘ characters aren‘t always particularly likeable but you still root for them.

I need to investigate more books by this author.

charl08 What a gorgeous cover! 1mo
BarbaraBB Just bought 😂 1mo
squirrelbrain It has beautiful edges too @charl08 - I just missed them off the photo! 🤦‍♀️ Check out other Littens‘ posts for this book to see - a few of us were reading it at Gladstone‘s. 1mo
squirrelbrain I think you‘ll really like Small Pleasures @BarbaraBB 1mo
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Final review of the weekend (for now - still have an hour and a half to go! 🤪) and another fabulous read.

I‘d seen so many fabulous reviews of this and I‘m so grateful to @Oryx for gifting it to me.

I haven‘t got a clue about OnlyFans, pro-wrestling and TikTok and there were far too many bodily fluids for my liking, but I loved Margo and Jinx.

I need to read more by this author.

BarbaraBB I know @megabooks loves this author, she can recommend some I‘m sure! 1mo
sarahbarnes I‘m in line for the audio version of this one and looking forward to it! 1mo
Megabooks My favorite by her is this 1mo
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Megabooks Thanks for tagging me @BarbaraBB ! 1mo
squirrelbrain It‘s so good! @sarahbarnes 1mo
squirrelbrain Thanks for the recs! @Megabooks - it was your review that first led me to put this on my wish list / TBR. 1mo
BiblioLitten I really liked this book! I was constantly rooting for Margo. 2w
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These Silent Woods: A Novel | Kimi Cunningham Grant
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Just finished this one this morning - recommended and gifted to me by @BarbaraBB - thank you! 😘

Cooper and his daughter Finch have been living in a remote Appalachian cabin for years, when a series of events threaten to shatter their careful sheltered existence.

Loved both Cooper and Finch (and even Scotland!). I have a question, though, for those who have read it already, in spoilers below.

squirrelbrain How did Finch get to meet her grandparents without Cooper getting into trouble? I thought also that they‘d been told she was killed by Scotland? Or am I missing something? 1mo
jhod It's the tiny book! 1mo
Suet624 @squirrelbrain I just finished and I have questions too. Maybe Marie brokered an agreement with them? I wondered why Finch never saw Scotland again. Wouldn‘t he have gone to jail and couldn‘t she visit?? 3w
squirrelbrain Yes, it‘s a bit odd isn‘t it? @Suet624 3w
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Forgotten on Sunday | Valrie Perrin
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My #bookhaul from our reading retreat at Gladstone‘s Library.

The bottom two are from Emma @Oryx

Catalina is a gift from @MicheleinPhilly and Forgotten on Sunday (which I‘ve just started) is a gift from @BarbaraBB .

The top one is my pick from our Blind Date with a Book swap - it sounded so intriguing from the clues that Jess @jhod had written, and even more so know I know what it is.

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Haven‘t been posting from Gladstone‘s much - too busy reading! 🥰 I picked some fabulous books to bring - I‘ve loved them all.

I bought this a while ago and bumped it up the TBR list when I found out it‘s going to be on the BBC‘s Between The Covers.

Such a compelling read - I couldn‘t stop reading it. (Which wasn‘t a problem on a reading retreat! 🤪)

I much preferred it to We Begin At The End.

Kitta Oh I‘ve been meaning to pick this up! 1mo
squirrelbrain It‘s soooo good @Kitta - once you pick it up you won‘t put it down! 1mo
Kitta @squirrelbrain I was thinking of getting it on kindle. It‘s quite long right? 1mo
squirrelbrain It is long, yes, @Kitta - quite the chunkster, but you don‘t really notice when reading it. 1mo
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Pomegranate: A Novel | Helen Elaine Lee
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First book finished at Gladstone‘s reading retreat!

I loved this look at Ranita‘s life as she leaves prison, tries to get her life back on track, and tries to get her kids back.

Beautiful prose and more hopeful than I thought it might be.

Thank you for sending it to me! @Megabooks

Caroline2 Sounds good. Stacked! 👍 1mo
squirrelbrain I think you‘d love it @Caroline2 1mo
Megabooks You are so welcome! Glad you enjoyed it! 1mo
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LeahBergen Beautiful photo! 1mo
youneverarrived Have a lovely time ❤️ 1mo
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Pomegranate: A Novel | Helen Elaine Lee
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I‘m absolutely loving this so far (at about 25% in) but I‘m also scared to keep reading it, as I get the feeling it‘s going to break my heart. 💔

@Megabooks

Megabooks So glad you‘re enjoying it. Definitely on the sadder side, though. 1mo
Soubhiville It‘s so good! One of my favorites last year. 1mo
squirrelbrain Good to know! @Soubhiville 1mo
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West: A Novel | Carys Davies
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Loved this! Such a tense book, from both the POV of Cy Bellman who goes west to find mythical animals and even more so for his young daughter left behind in the care of Cy‘s sister.

I don‘t think I loved it as much as Clear, and I wasn‘t *entirely* sure about the very end but I definitely want to read more by this author.

Thanks for sending it to me @BarbaraBB 😘

BarbaraBB It couldn‘t beat Clear, I agree! 1mo
sarahbarnes I want to read more by this author, too! 1mo
Tamra I‘m a fan girl of Davies! I‘ve read everything I can get my hands on - started with her short story collections. (edited) 1mo
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Cathythoughts I agree! So good, but I loved Clear even more. 1mo
Hooked_on_books Great minds! I just picked this one up yesterday and am starting it now! 2w
squirrelbrain I was going to say ‘enjoy‘ but see you‘ve read it already! @Hooked_on_books 2w
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Fire | John Boyne
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Another excellent addition to Boyne‘s ‘Elements‘ series of books, this time about a plastic surgeon, dealing with burns victims.

Again, like Water and Earth, a very tough subject matter. I love how we get little hints and links to the other books in the series.

I still think the first book is my favourite, but they‘re all so good and I‘m already looking forward to Air, with an idea about which character it will be about.

Out 7th Nov (UK)

BarbaraBB Sounds so good again! I need to preorder this one! Doesn‘t it mention on the final page who the next book will be about? 2mo
Megabooks It does in the print @barbarabb. I think Helen may have a digital ARC. I finished Earth today, and It was really good. I was gutted. I give Water a slight edge. I still love Heart\'s Invisible more, but these are totally on par with my second favorite Boyne, A History of Loneliness, which was a gift from B one year! 😘 😘 2mo
squirrelbrain Yes, it did say at the end @BarbaraBB @Megabooks but I‘d worked it out anyway, based on the job of one of the characters in this book. 🤔 2mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks my favorites are the same as yours Meg and I also think I (so far) love The Heart‘s Invisible more but maybe that‘ll change! 2mo
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The Other Valley: A Novel | Scott Alexander Howard
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Odile is going through the vetting process to become a member of the Conseil, who decide whether people can travel out of their valley to other valleys beyond. This is speculative fiction, so the other valleys are twenty years ahead or twenty years behind.

I liked this, although I‘m glad I listened on audio, as many readers complained about the lack of “” in print.

I‘m also not sure if there were huge plot holes or if I‘m just a bit daft! 🤪

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The Safekeep | Yael van der Wouden
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Thanks for the tag! @Mitch

1. The tagged book will be on my favourite list for 2024 as well as just for August.

2. I prefer paper books, but read all three types - they all have their place!

3. Probably literary fiction.

#wondrouswednesday

TheKidUpstairs Unsurprisingly, I second all your answers! 2mo
Eggs Thanks for playing 🥰🤗 2mo
Suet624 With you on all three answers. 2mo
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Mitch Love the tagged book. I bought this one because I was attracted to the pretty cover - but was surprisingly also blown away by the story. Loved it. It‘ll be on my end of year lists for sure. 2mo
squirrelbrain Book triplets! ❤️❤️❤️ @TheKidUpstairs @Suet624 2mo
squirrelbrain @Mitch - I had it as an ARC but didn‘t get round to reading it until it made the Booker list. 🤦‍♀️ I‘m so glad I did though! 2mo
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Whew, this was a tough read, but definitely worth it. The author, whose previous book was about her own experience of sexual abuse, focuses on the 4 women who told their stories during the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, as well as the defence‘s attempts to discredit them.

A slight quibble would be a couple of areas that seemed repetitive - sometimes it was clearly deliberate for emphasis but there were some points that needed better editing.

slategreyskies I would not be able to read this book. This sort of thing makes me furious. I have a close friend whose daughter went through this, & even though she was a minor, she had to testify in court, & the defense did the same thing to her. She was the one on trial rather than the man who was the true criminal. In her case, the only reason that the man received a guilty verdict & got jail time is because of my friend‘s testimony from walking in on it. 2mo
slategreyskies (Cont.) The defense was able to discredit her, because of her trauma. The system fails survivors. 2mo
squirrelbrain Yes, @slategreyskies - they tried to discredit them in SO many ways. There is some positivity in there though - the author interviewed some jurors after the trial and they were convinced by the 4 witnesses from the start. 2mo
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The Institution | Helen Fields
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I loved Profile K by this same author so bought this, a previous novel, at the Crimewriting Festival where I saw her speak.

I‘ve realised that my issue is that I‘m not a huge fan of ‘locked room‘ mysteries / crime - they‘re not expansive / wide- ranging / as full of opportunities for me.

That said, I did enjoy this one for the most part and at least I‘ve learned what style of crime I like. 🤪

BarbaraBB Great review. Locked room is not my favorite genre either (thinking of the tagged one, which I hated, and of No Exit which I didn‘t like much either) but at least this one got a pick from you! 2mo
Leniverse I love locked room mysteries if they are clever enough that I can't work them out but if I look back I realise all the clues were there. 2mo
Cathythoughts I‘m not a fan of the locked room mystery either Helen. But I love a good literary thriller 👍🏻 2mo
squirrelbrain Yeah, I don‘t think this one is particularly literary @Cathythoughts 🤷‍♀️ 2mo
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Evenings and Weekends | Oisn McKenna
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I had high hopes for all of my holiday reads - that‘s why I chose them to take - but, whilst they were all good, they didn‘t live up to my expectations.

This one, failed to pull me in completely, I think because none of the characters were very likeable, and it was a bit Rooney-esque in that they were all failing to communicate properly. It had a bit more bite than a Rooney though, hence the pick.

BarbaraBB Hi 👋🏽 Henry 🐾! I can be so annoyed when the books I bring on vacation don‘t live up to my expectations since I spend so much time selecting them 😀 2mo
julesG Henry looking cute and puppy-is. 2mo
julesG Puppy-ish - DYAC!! 2mo
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squirrelbrain I know @BarbaraBB - it‘s so annoying! I‘m worried about my Gladstone‘s books already. 😳 2mo
squirrelbrain I know what you meant! @julesG 🤪 2mo
BarbaraBB I intend to play safe, with authors I trust 😀😀 2mo
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Kala: A Novel | Colin Walsh
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This was the first book I read on my hols and, probably because I had such high hopes after seeing the author speak, I was ever so slightly disappointed that it didn‘t quite live up to my expectations.

I still liked it, but it was very violent and I didn‘t feel particularly connected to either the characters or the setting so it felt like I skimmed along the surface rather than being engrossed in the story.

Content warning below ⬇️

squirrelbrain As well as the violence against humans there is serious violence against animals, specifically dogs. 2mo
squirrelbrain @TrishB - take note of the warning if you plan on reading this. ⬆️ 2mo
TrishB Oh I was thinking about this one today when I chose one off my kindle. That puts me off completely though. The humans fine….thank you 😘 2mo
squirrelbrain @TrishB - I can tell you where it is if you do want to read it - it‘s not throughout the book. 2mo
julesG @TrishB 😁 can understand it. Don't touch the animals 2mo
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Highway Thirteen: Stories | Fiona McFarlane
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Thanks for the gift, Jess @jhod ! We just got back from our hols today and it was waiting for me.

Henry had a fun time in Keswick - visiting The Pocket Bar twice and being made a fuss of by the staff in there!

It sounds like a fascinating book and I‘m sure I‘ll love it - I‘ve looked up the reviews and they‘re not *that* mixed - pretty positive, I think.

TrishB And so beautifully modelled ❤️ 2mo
LeahBergen Look at that sweet Henry ❤️ 2mo
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Thank you for your lovely gifts @Caroline2 @Cathythoughts ! 😘

Sorry I didn‘t post pictures of the *actual* gifts - this morning was rather hectic as we hadn‘t packed much ready for our hols.

Pic is the view from our pitch in the Lake District.

BarbaraBB What a beautiful scenery! And still sunny! Enjoy 😘 2mo
Cathythoughts Have a wonderful time. Happy birthday Helen 😘 2mo
Cathythoughts I hope you will enjoy the book as much as I did ❤️ 2mo
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squirrelbrain It‘s been on my radar for a while @Cathythoughts as it was rumoured for the Booker so I‘m looking forward to seeing how it compares to Wild Houses. 2mo
Caroline2 Oh no! A duplicate!! I am so sorry. I hope you have a lovely holiday though. ❤️ 2mo
squirrelbrain No worries @Caroline2 - I‘m sure it will be fabulous as I stacked it from your original review. And it was nearly a triplicate as Kate nearly bought it too so clearly a great book! ❤️ 2mo
youneverarrived Have a lovely time in the Lakes 🤍 2mo
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Thanks for all of my wonderful birthday gifts! (Not featured here, vouchers from @julesG @TrishB @MicheleinPhilly @Hooked_on_books )

@quietlycuriouskate - The Wonder sounds fabulous, as does Fifteen Wild Decembers @youneverarrived and I love the notebooks and bookmark too.

@BarbaraBB - both books sounds fabulous - isn‘t These Silent Woods a strange shape though?!

@Megabooks - I‘ve been looking forward to reading Pomegranate ⬇️

squirrelbrain …for some time. And Henry loved his gift - I sent you an email with pics but I wonder if it was too many pics and it didn‘t arrive. 2mo
squirrelbrain @Oryx - Emma - Margo landed on the doormat just as I was writing this so I took a different picture with her added in. I‘m so excited for this one! 2mo
TrishB Oh fabulous! Have a lovely evening 😘 2mo
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BarbaraBB Such great gifts. Your Littens do know you well! Yes, it is a strange format isn‘t it?! (edited) 2mo
Megabooks Helen! I‘m so glad you‘re enjoying your birthday! I‘m glad Henry likes his squirrel, too. I did get pics of that handsome boy with it! I had some bookmarks wrapped to go with your birthday gift. Perhaps they got knocked out of the bow. That is for your bday, too! I hope you have a great time camping and celebrating with H & J!!! 🎉💜🎉💜🎉 2mo
Megabooks @BarbaraBB I listened to that on audio, and it was really good! 2mo
Ruthiella Happy Birthday! 🥳🥳🥳 2mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks I read it because of you and loved it! 2mo
squirrelbrain @Megabooks 🤦‍♀️- sorry I knew I‘d forget to thank someone for something. 😳 I‘m only sorry it was you as I loved the bookmarks! 😘 2mo
squirrelbrain Thank you! @ruthiella 🥰 2mo
Suet624 Happy birthday!!! 2mo
Hooked_on_books Happiest of birthdays to you! I love those mini notebooks. They‘re perfect! 2mo
quietlycuriouskate Nice haul! (I was sooooo close to choosing "Fifteen Wild Decembers" instead.) Hope you're having a lovely day. 2mo
squirrelbrain That was lucky then! 😮‍💨 @quietlycuriouskate I‘ve had a lovely day, thank you! 2mo
squirrelbrain They‘re so cute aren‘t they? @Hooked_on_books 2mo
marleed Happy Birthday!! 2mo
LeahBergen Happy Birthday! 😘😘 2mo
Lcsmcat Happy birthday! 🎁🎂 2mo
youneverarrived I‘m glad you like them 🩷 2mo
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Shy Creatures | Clare Chambers
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I said I wasn‘t going to go book shopping today but happened to be walking past Waterstones and got propelled in by an unknown force.

I couldn‘t revisit this beautiful copy, and it‘s signed as well, so it was lucky that I had a birthday voucher from @julesG burning a hole in my phone! 🤣

Thanks Jules! 😘

Oryx This same force made me buy this last week. The same force also reminded me to use a voucher. 2mo
Prairiegirl_reading Happy birthday! 🥳 That is a gorgeous copy!! 2mo
rubyslippersreads I can see why you couldn‘t resist. 😍 Happy Birthday! 🎂 2mo
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julesG 😍 Gorgeous edition. Glad you liked your gift. 😉 2mo
readingjedi That is gorgeous 😍 2mo
AnneCecilie Love the edges 2mo
squirrelbrain It is beautiful isn‘t it?! @Prairiegirl_reading @rubyslippersreads - thank you for the birthday wishes! 2mo
squirrelbrain Where would we be without the ‘force‘?! @Oryx 2mo
TrishB It‘s lovely ♥️ 2mo
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The Open Book | Wigtown, United Kingdom (Bookstore)
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Lovely article about how well The Open Book in Wigtown is doing. This is the bookshop where you stay and run it for a few days / weeks at a time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y844905n9o

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SamAnne Absolutely love this concept. Just returned from Scotland but alas did not have time for a visit there! 3mo
squirrelbrain @SamAnne - I really want to visit Wigtown sometime soon…. 3mo
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Tell Me Everything | Elizabeth Strout
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I still really liked this, but it‘s not my favourite ‘Lucy Barton‘ book. As well as Lucy, Bob Burgess is highly featured, as is Olive Kitteridge.

Early on, there were too many disparate threads and inconsequential stories about characters we‘d never met before. The book soon picked up though, as Bob becomes involved in a murder investigation - I wished this had been the whole focus of the book.

#netgalley
Published 19th Sept in the UK.

BarbaraBB I‘ve been looking forward to this one! 3mo
sarahbarnes What @BarbaraBB said! Sorry to hear you didn‘t love it. 2mo
squirrelbrain I still liked it though @sarahbarnes - I think my expectations were too high after Lucy By The Sea. 2mo
sarahbarnes I get it! My expectations are high as well. 2mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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#camplitsy24

Well, here it is….! Your final winning book of this year‘s camp is BEAR! 🐻

No huge surprise there, I don‘t think, but we did have some votes for The Alternatives too - Bear won by 27 votes to 6.

Look out for Barbara posting the final vote shortly… I‘m excited to see what we choose for our overall winner of #camplitsy24!

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Bookwormjillk Thank you so much for hosting! 3mo
TrishB Thank you 👍🏻 3mo
DebinHawaii Somehow, I missed the vote but it would have been for Bear. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Thanks again for hosting a great camp. Heading off to vote for my favorite. 3mo
Ruthiella No surprising at all. Thanks so much to you, @BarbaraBB and @Megabooks for doing all the work. It was fantastic! 3mo
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#camplitsy24

It‘s time to vote for your favourite book from August!

Will it be The Alternatives or Bear going up against Clear and James?! Let us know in the comments below ⬇️ with reasons why (if you want to!).

I‘ll announce the result once everyone has had the chance to vote, and then Barbara will be along with the vote for the overall favourite of #camplitsy24.

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Kitta Hands down 3mo
Kitta The experimental structure of the alternatives made no sense to me, why was there a play script?? Also I didn‘t totally understand the motivations of going off into the woods and leaving her life behind. I felt like I was sitting in a lecture too often too. Bear was definitely a better read for me, interesting unreliable narrator and tension between the family and the danger of the bear itself! A more satisfying read. 🐻 3mo
Bookwormjillk I couldn‘t get through The Alternatives (although I want to try again.) I vote 3mo
Soubhiville Definitely Bear. I had to bail on TA. 3mo
BarbaraBB For me, this is the easiest choice of the three months. 🐻 it is! (edited) 3mo
JamieArc Bear for me! 3mo
TrishB I did finish both - but Bear definitely for me. Melancholy and sad 😞 3mo
mcctrish I never got to Bead so it‘s The Alternatives for me 3mo
DGRachel I‘m going to have to go against popular opinion here and vote for The Alternatives. That one at least didn‘t leave me feeling like life was completely without purpose or hope. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs I'm probably be in the minority, but my vote goes to 3mo
MicheleinPhilly Bear! Thanks for an EXCELLENT month, Helen! 😘 3mo
Suet624 Bear! Definitely Bear. 3mo
AmyG Bear 3mo
TheBookHippie Bear! 3mo
Megabooks No contest for me 3mo
CBee If it‘s okay for me to vote, I vote for Bear (since it‘s the only one I read 😂). 3mo
sarahbarnes Voting for Bear! 3mo
Prairiegirl_reading Didn‘t love it but at least I finished it! 3mo
Ruthiella Not a huge fan of either, but because it really challenged my reading muscles 3mo
kspenmoll Bear! 3mo
Deblovestoread For me it‘s definitely 3mo
Christine Thank you for hosting a wonderful month! I‘ll go with 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Bear for me! Thanks for counting these votes! 3mo
Hooked_on_books Definitely Bear for me 3mo
Meshell1313 Thanks for hosting! So fun! My vote is for: 3mo
CarolynM The Alternatives was a bit inconsistent so I‘m going for 3mo
BarbaraJean Bear! 3mo
GatheringBooks Thank you so much for hosting. I vote for 3mo
Larkken I liked the fable elements in Bear, and The Alternatives was uneven and preachy so Bear for me 3mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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And our last question of #camplitsy24 for this year…. Let‘s talk about the ending of the book - what did you think?

Tomorrow we‘ll vote between Bear and The Alternatives and then Barbara will post shortly asking you for your #camplitsy24 favourite.

We hope you‘ve enjoyed August‘s books - thank you all for your valuable and insightful contributions! ❤️

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Bookwormjillk Thank you for hosting. I‘m sad camp is over but next summer will be here before we know it I‘m sure. I was dissatisfied with the ending. I wanted to know more about what happened with the mom and the boyfriend. I was happy Sam finally left even if it was without E. Bittersweet. 3mo
TrishB I expected that to happen to one of them, just wasn‘t sure which! I don‘t think Sam would have left on her own so needed the support of someone. A means to an end. Elena‘s boyfriend seemed like he wanted it to be a proper relationship- whether that would have survived the class divide 🤷‍♀️ 3mo
TrishB Thanks Helen, Barbara and Meg ❤️ another summer waving goodbye. 3mo
DGRachel The only thing that surprised me was Sam leaving with the guy from the ferry. I fully expected Elena to get eaten. How could she not, being so stupid around a wild animal. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I was glad Sam got out and I don‘t think she would have or emotionally could have with Elena alive. I don‘t think she was mentally strong enough. 3mo
DGRachel (I feel like I should have waited for @TrishB to post her comment as we were typing essentially the same thing at the same time. 😂) And yes, thank you all for a great summer camp. Almost all books I would never have picked up on my own and only one I just couldn‘t force myself through. I call that a personal success! 3mo
Kitta I agree with @TrishB and @DGRachel I don‘t think Sam would have left on her own. I thought the relationships with the two men were interesting, I think the sisters acted similarly. Both men seemed to want more from the sisters and Sam was dismissive, while Elena kept everything secret even from Sam. I expect their trauma prevented them from being able to be more invested, and Elena keeping the whole thing secret surprised me! They seemed detached. 3mo
Jess Thanks everyone for a fantastic summer! Even though I expected that someone would be attacked by the bear at some point during the book, I was surprised it was Elena and was surprised by the violence (her face?!). I really thought it was going to be Sam or the boyfriend and Elena was going to be confronted with actions. 3mo
Kitta Thanks to all our hosts! I really enjoyed Bear, and got out of my regular reading zone and tried things I wouldn‘t have otherwise! Even if I hated All Fours, we had a great discussion. I love camp, it‘s my favourite “book club” and really appreciate the work you guys put into it! See you all again next year!! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Jess the violence was so abrupt!! I had to go back and reread the paragraphs because that just happened?? 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Helen Barbara and Meg!! Thanks so much for hosting, I absolutely love the Camp so many books I would not have read and great discussions to make me really think about them. 3mo
sarahbarnes Echoing the thanks to you all for hosting a fabulous summer! The ending was so sad, but then it felt so inevitable. Both Sam and Elena seemed like they were on their own paths toward self-destruction at the end. Sam‘s actions led to this tragedy, but would it have eventually happened anyway? And then Sam ends up getting what she wants - to leave - but it feels so meaningless. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs Like others, I was fully expecting things to go bad with the bear, but I thought it would be Sam who got mauled. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs I wasn't crazy about the second half of this book. I'm still trying to put my finger on exactly why. I am usually okay with bleak, dark endings, but the whole second half was just a black hole for me. Maybe because I didn't see any growth or even growth potential from Sam? Elena's role in things was fairly clear - don't feed bears, or they will eat you. But Sam doesn't seem to grow up at all. It felt very “life sucks and people die“ 3mo
GatheringBooks Like the others, I fully expected Elena‘s death, but intrigued by everyone else‘s notions about either Sam or the bf getting mauled as a result of her actions, that would have been an unexpected twist of sorts. Agree with @TheKidUpstairs that it was truly a bleak ending. But I appreciated the sense of harsh reality it surfaced; it felt authentic to me. I prefer to see the ending as hopeful though tinged with grief and loss. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @DGRachel @TrishB I agree that Sam likely never would have left on her own, but I also didn't see any growth from her so I don't think she'll be able to find her own way. I think she'll push Ben away with the same stubborn “I don't need you“ attitude she's had all along, but then I see her failing on her own. Maybe it's because she reads so young to me, she seems like a teenager (which is understandable given her life thus far). I don't see hope. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs And a big thank you to you Helen, and to @BarbaraBB and @Megabooks for another great summer of #CampLitsy24 - I so appreciate all the work you guys put in. And to all the other campers - it's been such an enriching experience reading along side you all! 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @Jess I missed your comment when I posted mine - totally agree I thought it would be Sam who was attacked and then we'd get a last chapter from Elena's POV having to reckon with what she'd brought on. 3mo
DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs I completely agree about the odds of Sam continuing to be miserable. I think that lack of hope at the end is what made this so heavy and depressing for me. It‘s very much “life sucks, then your sister gets eaten by a bear, and then you die”. 3mo
TheBookHippie I figured if one got eaten by the bear it‘d be Elena. Sam actually knew to stay away from danger and avoided closeness as a protective measure whereas Elena was social and gave to everyone and took care of everyone. Her death freed Sam, and even freed herself. It‘s just not pretty or tidy. 3mo
TrishB @DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs I like to think that maybe she would have taken up some opportunities and spread her wings and lived life to the full 😁 doubt it, but you never know! 3mo
Ruthiella The end was shocking but not surprising once we have all the pieces put together. @TrishB @DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs Sam is definitely going to schlep her issues with her wherever she goes and now she‘s got the added trauma of losing her sister. I feel sorry for the boyfriend. Maybe she‘ll get help, but she isn‘t the kind to ask for it. 3mo
AmyG I had a gut feeling the bear would kill Elena. Elena always seemed to have her “shi*” together yet it was Sam, in this case, who was the wiser one. I love a good, crazy ending…so this was fun for me. 🤣 And….both girls “needed” men apparently…in spite of the experience with the stepfather. 3mo
squirrelbrain I too thought it might be Sam @TrishB @dgrachel @jess @thekidupstairs and Elena left to deal with the consequences. 3mo
AmyG And thank you organizers! What a great reading summer it‘s been. 3mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome @TrishB @jess @Kitta @ChaoticMissAdventures @sarahbarnes @TheKidUpstairs - it‘s the campers who truly make this such a fun, inspiring, insightful event for us! @BarbaraBB @megabooks 3mo
Megabooks Is it weird that I think they both found what they were looking for in a way? Sam found her ability to leave and strength, and Elena seems to have found a sense of wonder she lost in the day to day of caring for their mother. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, and I know Elena is attacked, and she maybe didn't realize the danger she was facing, but I come away with her feeling of wonder about nature and life. (con't) 3mo
Megabooks (con't) I'm sorry she had to die to find it, and I felt bad for the dude she left behind, but to feel the divine, the magical mysticism of the world -- whether in God or in nature if only for a bit -- would be amazing. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @Megabooks that's a really interesting thought about the sisters getting what they were looking for. It definitely plays into the fairy tale aspect - wishes fulfilled, but with far more dire consequences than the wisher is expecting. 3mo
Megabooks @TheKidUpstairs Agreed. If it's a fairy tale. It's definitely a dark one. 3mo
BarbaraBB Again I agree with @TheKidUpstairs that I doubt Sam will be able to find her way, as stubborn as she is. Also yes to @sarahbarnes, they are both so self-destructive. Bittersweet as @Bookwormjillk describes it. That says it all and I am a sucker for bittersweet endings 😀 (edited) 3mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks wow, that‘s a great take on the ending and maybe exactly what Julia Phillips meant. I felt sorry for the boyfriend but then again, we never noticed any form of attraction between them, maybe exactly why the book was only from Sam‘s pov. Food for thought! (edited) 3mo
Meshell1313 I was not shocked. The whole time I could see that someone was going to die- you can‘t think a wild bear is a friend! Still a very pessimistic ending about there being no hope and no way out of suffering. 3mo
Meshell1313 Can‘t believe camp is over! Thanks so much! I can‘t wait to see what the overall pick of the summer is! 3mo
Deblovestoread I knew it would end badly but didn‘t guess who. I want to believe that Sam left, matured and had a good life but starting out in a relationship you aren‘t invested in doesn‘t usually lead to that. If it had been Sam who died I don‘t think Elena would have allowed herself to have a good life either. Sorry to see the end of camp! Thank you for a great summer of books! @squirrelbrain @Megabooks @BarbaraBB 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @TrishB I like your optimism! 😂 I can see her getting there eventually, but I think she's got a long road to face. 3mo
DebinHawaii I wasn‘t sure who was going to suffer the most from the bear of the two but I suspected Elena given the book‘s POV from Sam. Still, the way that it ended with the bear killing her & going for her face was shocking. I was driving home from the airport last night listening to it & then had to listen again when I got home to make sure I heard it correctly. I don‘t hold out much home for a HE for Sam, like others (unless it‘s in her head but it) ⬇️ 3mo
GatheringBooks Thank you for the seamless organization of the discussions, and just organizing everything so wonderfully. What a great camp, indeed! 3mo
DebinHawaii … would be nice. Her immaturity & Ben really just being a means to an end of getting out to her, make me feel a little sorry (just a bit) for him. I liked this book, the setting & story kept me involved & while the ending was bleak, it fit. Thank you @squirrelbrain @Megabooks & @BarbaraBB for my 2nd wonderful Camp Litsy experience & everyone for the thought-provoking discussions. I love how it pushes me to read books I might not & think harder.🤗 (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain I can‘t wait either! @Meshell1313 - we‘ve read 6 great books! 3mo
squirrelbrain @DebinHawaii - it was certainly shocking that it was so explicitly violent. 😮 3mo
CarolynM I don‘t think I can add anything to what‘s already been said. Thanks Helen, Meg and Barbara for all your efforts with this year‘s camp 👏👏👏 3mo
Hooked_on_books I‘m with @GatheringBooks on this one. I was just waiting for Elena to get mauled by the bear from the moment I first saw her reaction to it. And the ending felt authentic and right. I found hope in it, not just darkness. Thanks for being our counselor this month, Helen! (edited) 3mo
CBee @Megabooks your comment isn‘t weird. I think it‘s what Elena wanted. Not that she necessarily wanted to die, but that she wanted this extreme escape from her day to day life. When Sam is imagining the bear as a prince and Elena as a princess, that resonated with me. And I do think it was a means to an end, for both of them. 3mo
Megabooks @CBee thank you for picking up what I was putting down. 💜 it‘s a really interesting story and way of telling it. Not what I expected after reading disappearing earth, but I appreciate it a lot more after this discussion. 3mo
JamieArc I wanted to give Sam a hug and send her right to therapy. I was so sad that the very thing she feared happened because of her. I was surprised at the mauling. My thought was that one of them would die by a gun. 3mo
CBee @Megabooks absolutely nothing like Disappearing Earth, except they‘re both so well written and powerful. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I wondered about the gun too @JamieArc - I thought someone would shoot at the bear, and someone else would get in the way. 🤷‍♀️ 3mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome @CarolynM @Hooked_on_books -it‘s been such fun! 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Sorry I missed camp yesterday—caught up now, such interesting comments! @Megabooks your take on the sisters getting what they wanted in the end was a new way to think about the book for me. Great thought! Thanks to the hosts for another great year at camp! 🏕️ 📚 3mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome! @Chelsea.Poole 3mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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#camplitsy24

This part of the discussion is all about the 🐻.

We looked at fairy tale elements last week, but do you think that the bear is ‘just‘ a bear or is it an allegory for something else or a particular message to the reader?

Do you think the events surrounding the bear would have actually played out like this in real life? (note that we'll discuss that ending in Q3)

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Bookwormjillk I thought he was an allegory for the mom‘s bad boyfriend but the ending changed my mind. I was actually surprised when the bear turned out to be a bear. I thought it would end up being another abuser who the authorities weren‘t handling in a way that seemed appropriate to Sam. 3mo
TrishB I saw it as Elena‘s bit of freedom! One thing she was keeping totally to herself as a break from everything else. She obviously wasn‘t thinking straight ofc! But she had a lot on her shoulders. 3mo
DGRachel I‘m sure it was supposed to be a symbol for something, but I‘m not sure what. It shows how different the sisters view their world. For Elena, it was hope and magic, another positive experience that kept her anchored on their island. For Sam, it‘s one more reason to leave, one more reason to fear and hate the island. 3mo
Kitta I did some looking into bear symbolism and in indigenous cultures it can represent family or parenthood, strength, and courage. And they‘re known for human-like qualities. https://spiritsofthewestcoast.com/collections/the-bear-symbol https://artinas.com/collections/bear/charles-harper Which is interesting to think their encounters happen while their mother is dying. In other cultures it represents a connection to another realm. ⬇️ 3mo
Kitta Which makes this seem more fairytale-like (to me at least). So I think Elena interacting with the bear sort of represents her looking for care and connection. It‘s a magical experience for her and she doesn‘t recognize the danger because she‘s longing for something she‘s no longer getting at home. 3mo
Jess Elena‘s life has been hard (past abuse, current responsibilities). I saw the bear and her flirtation with death as making her feel alive. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Bookwormjillk oh I love the idea of it represented an abuser they were not getting help with. (Not love, b/c that would be awful for them but great storytelling) This never crossed my mind. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I live a few hours drive away from where this was set and I didn't realize until last year that we had bears here. You do not hear about them but my brother is an avid hunter (we are sooo different, I could never) and he got a bear hunting tag last year and I was flabbergasted which maybe set me up to believe in a bear on Shaw. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @ChaoticMissAdventures I feel like there are so many different animals everywhere now than when I was a kid. There just aren't as many wooded areas so then end up in the suburbs. I live just outside of DC and we've had bears one town over, and I think there was even one in DC itself not too long ago! 3mo
sarahbarnes I love all of these thoughts. It also felt like the bear represented something about the difference in the sisters. Elena accepted her fate and her place on the island and the bear was an element of magic for her in that. Sam feared anything or anyone coming in between her and Elena or their “plans” to leave and the bear represented something else she had to do away with. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs I appreciated the mentions of Grizzly Man, because yes I think IRL it would have played out like this. Elena may have felt a magical connection to the bear, but the bear felt like it had found a food source.
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TheKidUpstairs I do think there was some symbolism/metaphor playing out there. Something about not romanticizing a dangerous reality or it will come back and bite you in the face. Both sisters were guilty of that - Elena with the bear, Sam with her stubborn and juvenile ideas of their future. 3mo
GatheringBooks @Jess i love the phrase “flirtation with death” because that is precisely what it was, i felt. I also liked @TheKidUpstairs thoughts about Sam‘s “juvenile ideas of their future” which was also spot on. Perhaps the bear is an escape from life‘s drudgery and routine, but there is nothing romantic about “a dangerous reality” - unless it was an unwitting deathwish of sorts. 3mo
TheBookHippie @Jess Yes this. I think the bear made Elena feel. Both girls were suffering from childhood trauma and dealing differently. Elena felt emotion that was strong and just hers and was drawn like a moth to the flame. It‘s also of note most childhood trauma I have dealt with, myself included are hugely drawn to dark fairytales because it‘s closest to their lived reality. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, that didn‘t cross my mind either @Bookwormjillk @ChaoticMissAdventures - great idea! 3mo
squirrelbrain That‘s fascinating @Kitta and really makes me look at the books in a different light - I guess I‘m a bit too literal! (edited) 3mo
AmyG Yes to what @sarahbarnes said. With the appearance of the bear we saw the difference between the sisters. In Sam‘s mind they had a definitive plan to “freedom”. As in life, things don‘t always work out as planned. Here comes a bear which, in the end, resulted in Sam leaving the island…..her dream realized. (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain So many wonderful thoughts and ideas here of different allegories / metaphors / (dark) fairy tales - this is why I love #camplitsy so much - it‘s the accumulation of ideas from thoughtful campers that really makes this event so meaningful. @TrishB @Bookwormjillk @DGRachel @Kitta @jess @ChaoticMissAdventures @sarahbarnes @TheKidUpstairs @GatheringBooks @TheBookHippie 3mo
squirrelbrain @TheKidUpstairs @GatheringBooks - I guess Sam had never known any different, growing up so isolated as the younger sister and that‘s why she came across as juvenile. Maybe she was somehow like the bear, grumpy and lashing out and Elena‘s downfall was caring too strongly for her / the bear? 3mo
squirrelbrain @sarahbarnes @amyg - that kind of relates to my comment just prior to this. Sam needed to get rid of the bear in order to move on, but in doing so she unwittingly lost her sister too. So the bear comes between the sisters and is a catalyst in moving Sam on, but not in the way she expected or hoped for. (edited) 3mo
Megabooks @Kitta I love these points and your research! She was desperately seeking connection spiritually and on the island. I think knowing she would likely never live elsewhere she still wanted to connect with something greater. I think losing her mom also opened up new spiritual possibilities for her. 3mo
BarbaraBB Yes @jess that‘s what I thought too. The bear made Elena feel alive, gave her an opportunity to escape her harsh reality, flirting with death because why not? Nothing much to loose after the mother died and with her Elena‘s relevance (she didn‘t seem to care much for Sam, didn‘t tell her a thing about what went on in her mind). 3mo
Deblovestoread For Elena the bear broke up the drudge of the life she was living. Her fairytale was the magic of the relationship she was forming with the bear. Sam‘s fairytale was the big $ after selling the home and living the high life in a fancy hotel. Neither fairytale had a hope of coming true. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @Deblovestoread yes! Sam's ideas of what they would do with the money really brought home how out of touch her plan was. It wasn't just sell the house to have some money to start out on the mainland, it was sell the house and live like royalty! As much as 500K is, it's not enough to live the life of luxury she was imagining. It really drove home how naive she was. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes of course @Deblovestoread @TheKidUpstairs - I hadn‘t considered Sam‘s unreasonable expectations. I‘m now recalling the scene at the medical centre where she didn‘t have a clue about the bills for her mother‘s care. 3mo
CarolynM @Bookwormjillk I also thought the bear was going to turn out to be an abuser rather than a literal bear. Like @DGRachel I‘m not sure what it is intended to symbolise - maybe something to do with authority? Madeleine, and her relationship with Sam, seemed quite an odd to me and I wondered if it was supposed to be some kind of flip side to Elena‘s relationship with the bear. 3mo
Hooked_on_books When I read it, the bear was just a bear to me. But I can see how all these various takes about the bear‘s representations work as well. And as far as it playing out this way in reality, absolutely. From the word go when we saw Elena‘s response to the bear, I knew she was toast. 3mo
CBee The bear was Elena‘s escape. At first I thought it was a silly passing fancy, but then realized she really is starting to love this bear. And that wasn‘t strange to me at all, I suppose because I relate to Elena in a lot of ways I think? This grand animal looks at you and seems to fixate on you, and that just made her feel special. Important in a way she hadn‘t felt in a long time. Free. 3mo
JamieArc I agrée about the bear being Elena‘s escape. And in the end, I saw the bear as representing the ways we romanticize nature. But nature is as nature does. It made me think about the desert - it can be gorgeous, but it is to be respected, and is a dangerous place to be if not. 3mo
squirrelbrain I agree @CarolynM about Madeleine - that was where I was wondering if this was true to life. Would Madeleine really have behaved that way? I suppose we were seeing her behaviour from Sam‘s POV, but turning up at the memorial service was a bit weird. 3mo
squirrelbrain I agree @Hooked_on_books - so many interesting representations that could all work! 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I can see that @CBee - that the bear made her feel special / chosen. It makes me wonder about the boyfriend though - why didn‘t he make her feel that way?! I thought maybe because she was keeping the boyfriend a secret, but she was hiding her meetings with the bear too, to some extent. 3mo
squirrelbrain @JamieArc - yes to the romanticising nature! We do it all the time, but it can turn on us in so many ways. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Elena looked at the bear as something to escape into and preoccupy herself with, even though it was ultimately her downfall. Sam (rightfully!) feared the bear, and maybe even resented it for taking Elena‘s attention away. The bear could be a symbol for many things in life, and may be specific to each individual reader. Great discussion! 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, it certainly seems like the bear meant so many things to different people @Chelsea.Poole 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain there is so much more to Elena that we really never discovered, but it seems like she was escaping however she could. She wanted those things just for herself. I think it was so difficult for her when Sam couldn‘t understand how magical the bear was to her. 3mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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#camplitsy24

Well, here we are in our last week of camp! 😢 Time to think about rolling up your sleeping bag, and exchanging friendship bracelets before we leave.

But not before we have a few more questions about Bear.

A few of us touched on this one last week - we only saw Sam‘s perspective throughout the book. Did you wish you could have seen Elena‘s POV too- and how would it have differed?

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Bookwormjillk Yes, a totally different book but I‘m glad we saw Sam‘s POV. I think if we would have seen Elana‘s it would have shown Sam as a lazy, clingy child without understanding any of her motivations. (edited) 3mo
TrishB It would have been v interesting- I think knowing Elena‘s motivations would have been really revealing. 3mo
DGRachel It would have been totally different with Elena‘s POV. The conversation/fight about leaving vs. staying wouldn‘t have been such a surprise or nearly as heartbreaking. I hated being in Sam‘s head, but I‘m not sure I‘d have like the book at all if we had it from Elena‘s POV or even dual POVs. 3mo
Kitta I thought at the beginning it was going to switch perspectives and was surprised it didn‘t 🤷🏻‍♀️ I liked having Sam‘s POV though, I think it added tension when we didn‘t know Elena‘s motivations and logic, and what she was actually doing. I thought the structure was better this way. 3mo
Jess I kept having to remind myself how old these two were. Their actions and Sam‘s insights seemed so much younger. I would have liked to see the book from Elena‘s POV. Maybe I would have liked it more. 3mo
GatheringBooks @TrishB agreed. I thought the author‘s approach of not disclosing Elena‘s pov was clever. Not sure if this is what it is meant by an unreliable narrator (or maybe a missing narrator of sorts), but how tragic it was that the sisters, ostensibly close, seemed to be living very different lives with very diff sets of people around them, and diff motivations and dreams in life. I felt the sense of betrayal deeply from Jess‘ pov prompting readers to👇🏼 3mo
GatheringBooks (Cont) reflect on whether we truly know people at all - even the ones we believe we are most intimate with. 3mo
Susanita It seems like both sisters are locked in their “roles” and this can lead to a lot of resentment. As for the POV, I would have liked to know why Elena thought it was a good idea to bring roast beef to a bear! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @GatheringBooks I agree this is a great look at how we do not know people even when we are close to them. I also think it is a great way of looking at assumptions and miscommunication. Elena seems to think they have had one talk way before life development to reality and she has forgotten the idea of leaving. Reminding us we must revisit big topics. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I thought viewing everything through Sam's POV was quite depressing. I found her whiny and annoying. In the end I can see her juvenile ideas come mostly from how sheltered Elena and Sam herself allowed her to become. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs Like others have said, it would have been a very different book with Elena's POV. I would have loved to know her thoughts with regards to the Bear, but at the same time I felt that one of the big themes of the book is the difference between Sam and Elena's perceptions, and I don't think Sam's realization that she had no idea what was happening in Elena's head would have been nearly as effective if we as readers had known. 3mo
sarahbarnes Agree with @GatheringBooks that this was a clever use of an unreliable narrator. I believed Sam‘s version of reality until I realized it was skewed. Agree with others here too that she was grating and infuriating in many ways - I wanted her to let Elena live her life and figure out how to live her own. But I know that trauma was preventing her from being about to do that. 3mo
Daisey I agree that it would have been very interesting to see Elena‘s point of view, but it also would have completely changed the book and how we experienced the differences and the impact of their lack of clear communication. 3mo
TheBookHippie I think it was an accurate picture of trauma. In order to survive Sam had to hang on to the words her sister said, in order to function. Having Elenas voice would have ruined the book. 3mo
Ruthiella I totally see why the author did it, but I found Sam so frustrating and I knew she was giving the reader a skewed view of reality. 3mo
squirrelbrain I initially thought I wanted to see Elena‘s POV too @trishb @kitta @jess @daisey and hadn‘t really thought about Sam fitting into the unreliable narrator trope @GatheringBooks @sarahbarnes but now I see everyone‘s comments I see that only seeing one POV, even if we didn‘t like her, is what made the book work. @DGRachel @ChaoticMissAdventures @TheKidUpstairs @TheBookHippie @Ruthiella (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain @Susanita - I thought that too - why on earth is she giving the bear a Sunday dinner?! Yorkshire puds too?! 3mo
AmyG I liked only Sam‘s POV and think this book would have been very different if we also had Elena‘s. I am always fascinated how 2 people in a household can have such different views of what is going on and how what one remembers one way could be remembered in a totally different way by the other. Sam felt so close to Elena but apparently didn‘t know so much about her. 3mo
Megabooks I guess I'm in the minority in saying I didn't like seeing it from Sam's perspective. I would've preferred dual POV first and then Elena's second. I think I didn't enjoy the book as much because it was from Sam's perspective possibly because I related to Elena more strongly, especially due to her relationship with their mom. @bookwormjillk I still saw Sam that way. 😬 😬 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @squirrelbrain @Susanita oh my gosh, the beef! Not only the stupidity of feeding a wild grizzly, but the waste! Considering their financial situation, it seems like it would be such a help to be able to bring food home from her job. 3mo
BarbaraBB I love this question and all answers. And until now I thought I‘d preferred both POV, like @megabooks says. But reading all comments I think what made the book so strong was that we didn‘t know what Elena thought. Like @TheKidUpstairs states, Sam had no idea what went on in Elena‘s head, we were shocked with her - I was. And @Jess I agree that Sam came over so young - and probably naive. 3mo
Meshell1313 @BarbaraBB yes I agree Sam‘s POV added to our shock about Elena- almost like Sam was an unreliable narrator! 3mo
Deblovestoread I might have enjoyed a dual pov but having Sam hold onto their plan of escape and watching it fall apart is what propelled the story. 3mo
DebinHawaii I feel like a lot of the group, while I really wanted to get inside of Elena‘s head, especially about the bear, I feel that only having Sam‘s perspective made the ending hit harder. 3mo
squirrelbrain It certainly did make the ending more of a surprise and more hard-hitting didn‘t it? @Deblovestoread @DebinHawaii It was the first time I felt any sympathy for Sam too, when she learned that they couldn‘t afford to leave. We wouldn‘t have had that ‘reveal‘ if we‘d have been in Elena‘s head too. 3mo
CarolynM I actually enjoy narratives that stick closely to a single point of view when something happens, or one of the other characters says something, that gives you a perspective shift, and makes you realise just how skewed the POV is. I felt quite sympathetic towards Sam. There was a lot Elena deliberately kept from her that prevented her from seeing how Elena‘s ideas had changed. 3mo
Hooked_on_books I agree with many that it would have been interesting to hear from Elena. But I‘m glad we didn‘t. The slow reveal of her interactions with the bear, her resentments over her place in the family, her relationship with the neighbor, were so much more impactful because of how we learned them. Like @TheBookHippie says, hearing from her would have ruined the book. 3mo
CBee Had to finish the book, phew! So I thought I wanted Elena‘s POV but then once I finished (and even as I got close to the end) realized that I didn‘t need it. The last part had me reeling and of course the ending was just, heartbreaking. 3mo
CBee @BarbaraBB I was shocked as well. 3mo
JamieArc @Susanita I agrée that the sisters were locked in their roles. It reminded me of The Alternatives in that way. I was disappointed to not see more growth in Sam, but could see how trauma kept her stuck. 3mo
JamieArc This story went from a bit magical to quite frustrating and depressing. I think if we had Elena‘s POV, the magic would have stayed a bit longer. 3mo
squirrelbrain I think that a few Littens wanted Elena‘s POV last week, when we were only halfway through the book, but changed their minds later on. @CarolynM @Hooked_on_books @CBee 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, they were definitely stuck in their roles weren‘t they? @JamieArc - so much like The Alternatives in that sense. 3mo
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Here‘s my #booker #longlist in order of favourites (without Playground yet, of course). I actually enjoyed almost all of the list this year - only Held got a so-so.

I don‘t think this will be the judges‘ list - I think they‘ll have Orbital, Headshot and perhaps Wandering Stars in there.

I was torn between Creation Lake and TSEH for my final shortlist place - I think the Kushner is a bit more Booker-y which is why it won the spot in the end.

Ruthiella I‘ve loved every thing I‘ve read from Kushner, so I‘m particularly looking forward to that title. 3mo
BarbaraBB I have so much reading to do and am now especially looking forward to Devotional! (edited) 3mo
Graywacke So cool to see. Stone Yard Devotional just arrived. (I haven‘t ordered the Kushner or the Powers yet.) Today i‘ll start My Friends. 3mo
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jlhammar Amazing!! Can‘t believe you made it through all those already. Love seeing your rankings. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs I'm so impressed you've read them all! I'm going to order Stone Yard Devotional from Blackwell's. I remember your review, and the fact that it's up there with The Safekeep makes it a must read! 3mo
JamieArc Interesting! I‘m moving through them slowly but am reading what I can! 3mo
JamieArc I did just order two from Blackwell‘s, my first order from them! 3mo
Hooked_on_books Wow, check you out, you are on it! Congrats on reading the (currently available) list! 3mo
Cathythoughts Great ! I must try Stone Yard soon. 3mo
squirrelbrain @JamieArc - hopefully Blackwells will come good for you - lots of US Littens seems to like them since the demise of BD. 3mo
TrishB Oh thank you! May have a little looksie! 3mo
Hooked_on_books Hey! NetGalley just put Playground on audio on the site (at least here) and I requested it on a lark and they approved me! 😵‍💫 So I would say swing over there and ask for it, because if they approved me, they‘ll approve anyone. 3mo
squirrelbrain Thanks Holly @Hooked_on_books but no luck here. We don‘t seem to get many good audiobooks over here…. But I‘ll keep checking. My request from May for the digital copy is still pending. 🙄 3mo
charl08 I missed this post! Congrats on reading the list (that you can get hold of). I just finished Enlightenment - interesting! 3mo
Hooked_on_books Oh man, that‘s a bummer! I was so hopeful that this was your chance to snag it. 3mo
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Creation Lake: A Novel | Rachel Kushner
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#booker #longlist 12/13

An odd book, but I rather liked it. ‘Sadie Smith‘ is a spy sent in to infiltrate a group of French provocateurs. Their shady leader, Bruno, sends emails to the group which Sadie becomes fascinated by. These emails are rather an excuse for the author to expound on topics such as pre-history, anthropology and philosophy but weirdly I didn‘t feel talked down to, unlike The Alternatives. It kept me hooked all the way ⬇️

squirrelbrain …through, until the rather disappointing ending. (What is it with book endings at the moment?!) Hence why it‘s not higher up in my shortlist, which will follow soon. (edited) 3mo
BarbaraBB Great review. I am no fan of Kushner so not sure if I‘ll read this one. 3mo
squirrelbrain It‘s the first of hers that I‘ve read @BarbaraBB and I probably would try more, based on this. 3mo
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rmaclean4 Looking forward to your short list. 3mo
BarbaraBB That is encouraging! If you want to read more, everybody except me loves 3mo
Graywacke Very encouraging. I haven‘t read Kushner before 3mo
Leniverse This sounds interesting, but I am so done with ambiguous endings (if that's what you're hinting at). Since I can't get it at the library I might wait and see if it makes the shortlist. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, rather ambiguous (again!) 🙄 @Leniverse If it makes the shortlist I‘ll bring my Kindle to Gladstone‘s and you can read it then! (edited) 3mo
Leniverse Ooh, that would be fab! ❤️ 3mo
TheKidUpstairs Do the emails ever merge into the narrative in a cohesive way? I'm enjoying Sadie's sections, but I'm finding the emails very off-putting, and I can't help but skim through them. Debating whether this one might be a bail for me. 3mo
squirrelbrain No, they don‘t, not really @TheKidUpstairs 😬. It‘s more of the same throughout the book than a non-ending (again!) so if you‘re not liking it now, it doesn‘t really change. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @squirrelbrain good to know, thanks! 3mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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#camplitsy24

‘They made magic. They were the girls at the center of a fairy tale, and they, along with their mother, would live in such bliss all their days‘

It‘s often said that this book is a fairy-tale retelling. Did you see that in this first half of the book? What elements from fairy tales were included?

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Kitta If it‘s a fairy-tale it‘s certainly a Grimm brother‘s one. It‘s not a happily ever after type so far. I don‘t know the ending but it‘s kind of scary and magical for them to be so close to the bear. There are many bears in the brothers Grimm, goldilocks, bearskin, the wren and the bear, and snow white and red rose (quoted at the beginning). It mirrors the last one the most obvi, where instead of being fearsome, the bear is a friend to the girls. 3mo
Kitta Fairytales usually have a moral and I wonder what this one will be? 3mo
TheBookHippie The mother being evil or dying is definitely a fairytale troupe. But definitely being affected by a mother is in fairytales. The bear in Red Rose & Snow White is a man who turned into a bear from a curse and he keeps them safe in the end. Not sure what that means for this story. It‘s more like disassociation to me as opposed to a fairy tale. So much trauma to unpack in these girls. 3mo
Bookwormjillk It seems semi fairy tale so far, at least for E. She‘s in this caregiving rut and finally something different and magical happens. On the other hand Sam doesn‘t see the magic at all. She seems to want to shoot the bear and move on to the next problem. 3mo
Susanita This reminds me a little of ET as well with the woman from the state agency looking into the situation with the bear. 3mo
TrishB Interesting question! The Bear definitely adds a fantastical/fairy tale element. Also a distraction- from the day to day grind of their life. 3mo
AmyG The appearance of the bear makes this a bit fairytale like. I didn‘t see it like that. I saw the bear as a distraction from their dull, difficult life. Nothing special has ever happened to them. And I find it interesting how each sister reacts to the bear….one sees it as magical, one dangerous. Shows the difference in their personalities. (edited) 3mo
CBee I didn‘t even recognize the fairy tale elements but I see it now! I guess I‘m just like, oh cool - a bear! 😂😂 3mo
AmyG @Cbee Ha….same. We have bears by us so…no big deal. Bears are squirrels for humans! 3mo
JenReadsAlot @TrishB I really agree with what you said! 3mo
TrishB @AmyG squirrels we have- bears not so much! 3mo
TrishB @JenReadsAlot I‘m distracted by peoples dogs- a bear would be amazing! 3mo
Soubhiville I feel the fairy tale with Elena‘s being drawn to the bear. She is definitely seeking some kind of magic from it. @TrishB put it well, that their lives are so routine the bear offers a change, though both girls feel differently about what it portends. 3mo
CBee @AmyG no bears here, but recently we‘ve had a very pretty hawk visit our yard! And I just stand there wowing 😂😮 3mo
sarahbarnes This is an interesting take on it! I like the fact that it‘s a bear - an animal often feared by humans - and that it appears so abruptly in their lives. It disrupts their focus on all the other burdens they‘re carrying. And they react differently to that in keeping with their personalities. It feels there‘s a bit of magic in it. 3mo
DGRachel Like @AmyG and @CBee I didn‘t/don‘t see the fairytale retelling. Maybe it gets more so in the second half? It‘s definitely a distraction from the grind, like @TrishB said, at least for Elena. The wildest I‘ve gotten to see in North Carolina are deer everywhere I‘ve lived in this state. I hear about coyotes, and I saw wild turkeys when I lived in the mountains. I think I‘d have a heart attack if I encountered a bear. 3mo
Ruthiella @TheBookHippie I agree with your take, that each sister is detaching from reality in their own way when faced with the bear. We might get into this in next week‘s discussion but I do wish the reader were not 100% in Sam‘s mind all the time. 3mo
GatheringBooks @Kitta yes to the Grimm fairy tale version (definitely not the sanitized disney one). Like Sam, I am appalled and profoundly disturbed by Elena‘s seemingly-surreal way of interacting with the bear. It did remind me of Red Rose and Snow White like what @TheBookHippie noted - except that it is clearly real life and the danger elements are plain to see - except for Elena who seemed positively enchanted - maybe an escape from drudgery as @TrishB noted 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @AmyG I like how you put this, how they react to the bear showing the differences in their personalities. @CBee the bear being the main character here! It is so interesting that Sam is like whales are cool we see them everyday, but a Bear, that is wild! It definatly sets the scene of the islands. I live a few hours away from here, and I will say if I saw a bear it would stop me in my tracks. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Kitta I think comparing it to Grimm's is great, that enveloping of darkness in the story. I do wonder what the moral is we are supposed to be seeing. @TheBookHippie is the mother getting sick supposed to be due to her moral failings? Two daughters out of wedlock, moving in an abusive BF for a time? That seems harsh, but maybe plausable. Though it is just giving the girls more trauma. 3mo
TheBookHippie @ChaoticMissAdventures I don‘t consider that a moral failing(children outside of marriage) so I didn‘t even think of it. I meant in fairytales mom or step mom is usually involved as dying or being mean. Not sure what this book is trying to portray, if anything. (edited) 3mo
TheBookHippie @ChaoticMissAdventures as far as the abusive partner the minute he laid a hand on the girls he should have been gone, let alone her. 3mo
squirrelbrain @AmyG - you‘re so blasé about bears! ? 3mo
squirrelbrain @Kitta I thought of Goldilocks but I don‘t know the red / white tale and haven‘t looked it up yet to see what happens! 3mo
squirrelbrain @TrishB @AmyG @sarahbarnes - yes, the bear is a huge distraction from their humdrum lives. I expected each sister to react in the opposite way though. I thought Elena was the ‘sensible‘ one who would be frightened of the bear. (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain @ruthiella - we may well get into that next week! 😉 3mo
Megabooks @Kitta That's a good point about a moral. I do wonder what it will be! 3mo
Megabooks @sarahbarnes Agree that there's magic in the disruption. It pulls them out of this survival mode that others mentioned in Q1 and puts them into a very different place mentally. 3mo
Meshell1313 @Kitta 🤣🤣🤣 3mo
Meshell1313 I keep thinking of Streetcar, “I don‘t want realism, I want magic.” It‘s a form of escapism from tragedy. 3mo
AmyG @sarahbarnes Yes, there is a magical element to it in that the Bear “finds” them. I got the feeling reading this book that this family blends into their surroundings…noticed by no one. And Elena sees the glass half full, Sam half empty. @squirrelbrain I, too, would have thought the opposite. 3mo
Kitta @AmyG lots of bears where I grew up too! I‘m Canadian and we‘d have them come to our campsites when we were in the provincial park. Someone asked me once what to do if you see a bear and I said “you raise your canoe paddle above your head and scream” and she was confused as to why Canadians always have canoe paddles 😂 I think she thought I meant downtown not on the lake. My bad. I‘ve started a weird Canadian stereotype. 3mo
BarbaraBB I am with @DGRachel @AmyG and @CBee because I thought it might be not so exceptional having them in that area. But honestly, I accepted it without giving it much thought. I love your take on it however @TrishB 3mo
CBee @Ruthiella I agree, I wouldn‘t mind multiple POVs! 3mo
CBee @Meshell1313 wow, perfect quote 👏🏻👏🏻 3mo
AmyG @Kitta HA! 3mo
TheBookHippie @squirrelbrain I didn‘t think much of it either. We have Bears here. Some even roam playgrounds so we stay inside at recess. @AmyG 3mo
Hooked_on_books The fairy tale angle wasn‘t my take on it while reading, but I do see where people would get that. I‘ve lived in various rural areas since 2010 and wildlife is just a fact of life, even if specific wildlife is less common. At my house on the Oregon coast, there was a mountain lion spotted over several days less than a mile from me (I never saw it). So I think that‘s why I wouldn‘t have seen it as fairy tale. 3mo
peaKnit Agree with Grimm fairy tale at best, so dark and sad. I don‘t understand why Elena is so drawn to the bear except that it is something interesting in her mundane day to day. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, @peaKnit - I don‘t understand that either - I would have expected Elena, of the two, to be more frightened of the bear. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole @Ruthiella @CBee I also was hoping to get some other perspective, besides through only Sam‘s eyes. How does Elena really feel? 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Definitely felt some fairytale vibes from the bear. I didn‘t so much connect it with a specific story or retelling, just elements of fairytales. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Chelsea.Poole @CBee @Ruthiella - save those thoughts until next week! 😉 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain ooooo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 3mo
DebinHawaii I don‘t think I‘d have connected to the fairy tale vibe without the prologue. @AmyG No bears or squirrels here! 😉 But a mongoose ran over my foot once at Walgreens! 🤣 3mo
AmyG @DebinHawaii Wow! 😮 3mo
squirrelbrain I wasn‘t even sure what a mongoose looked like @DebinHawaii - had to look it up! 🤣 3mo
BarbaraJean If it weren‘t for reading reviews calling it a fairy tale retelling, I wouldn‘t have thought so! The bear, the forest, the sisters, the mother who is dying: all sounds like a fairy-tale setup, but the rest is so grounded in reality. Even the grimmest (Grimm!) fairy tales have a fantastical feel, and this felt too real.

@squirrelbrain @AmyG I felt the same about the sisters‘ different reactions to the bear. I‘d have thought it would be reversed. ⬇
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BarbaraJean (Cont'd) That reversal felt like a clue to what might be going on under the surface, that we haven‘t gotten at just yet.

@Ruthiella @CBee @Chelsea.Poole As much as I wanted another perspective, I thought it was fascinating that the author kept us so closely within Sam‘s POV. It really allows such tight control of what the reader knows. We don‘t know anything that‘s going through Elena‘s head, except what we get filtered through Sam‘s POV.
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Elena and Sam caring for their mother is a central part of the book - how has this impacted on their relationships with each other and with the wider community?

How do their caring roles differ? Who do you have the most sympathy for?

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Kitta I think it further drives their isolation and is making their poverty worse - paying for medications and hospital bills. It interrupts their dreams of living a new life and puts that on hold. There‘s kind of a stasis or pause in their lives, waiting for her to pass. I think Elena is forced to be the responsible one, she gets no breaks from the care and does nights. Sam seems to begrudgingly do things. Their attitudes differ. 3mo
TheBookHippie Sam seems most affected by traumatic events and is more isolated at face value but Elena has such a huge burden .. I feel bad for both as they are both trapped and neither is actual safe or allowed to have their own life. 3mo
TheBookHippie Caring for their mother seems a bit cruel in this situation. Not that there is a choice. Money is the way out, they have none. I think their feelings are complicated about their mom and the don‘t deal with that. 3mo
Susanita It‘s such a difficult place for them. Whether they admit it or not, they‘re waiting for her to die. She‘s at peace with it, but the sisters will be devastated. 3mo
Bookwormjillk They‘ve isolated themselves so they can care for their mother. They both have their own way of doing it, but I think they‘re both trying their best. 3mo
TrishB It‘s a horrible situation isn‘t it- no money to get more help. All your money going on just trying to keep things together. The elder/younger sibling thing plays true- one in charge and one letting the elder one do everything. At this point it is like they have no other support. 3mo
AmyG You all beat me too it. Especially what @Trish said. The elder one takes charge, as usually is the way. Biggest for me is lack of resources and support. When you live in a rural area that is a huge problem. They are just working to pay bills and take care of their Mom. 3mo
CBee @TheBookHippie agree that Sam seems frozen in time - staying at arm‘s length of others, not wanting any other close relationships. Elena is interesting - she is obviously craving more out of life, missing something. Hence her relationship with the bear 🐻 3mo
Soubhiville I agree with everyone. As @Susanita said I think they are in a holding pattern trying to just get by until their mom passes. No one can move on until that happens. Elena seems more patient and resigned and accepting, while Sam seems resentful, even though she clearly loves their mom and dreads her going just as much as her sister does. 3mo
DGRachel I don‘t think I have anything to add to what‘s already been said. Caregiving is hard. To do so without community or funds is a nearly insurmountable burden. As @Susanita said, they are waiting for her to die. I think they know that, and they both are conflicted about the feelings that brings up. It‘s interesting to see how differently they cope. 3mo
sarahbarnes Agree with what everyone has said here. It only adds to their isolation, financially and socially. And it creates an interesting dynamic between the sisters, too, as they each play their role in the family around their mom. 3mo
GatheringBooks I love that we have another sisters-dynamics going on in this story, immediately after The Alternatives. Unlike the previous book, we get the privilege of actually living in Sam‘s head - & it isn‘t very pleasant. Clearly, Sam worships Elena at the same time that she depends on her to the point of taking for granted everything Elena does. I can relate with the caring for an ailing mother with my 88 yo mother with dementia now living with us 👇🏼 3mo
GatheringBooks (Cont) except for the fact that we are able to have full time care for her - the outsourcing of the intricacies of care has done loads for my mental health - but i also recognize that not everyone has that privilege. And it does take its toll, and it is evident in how Elena and Sam seemed to have made their lives smaller and more insular as a way of coping, as they wait for the inevitable - the worsening of their mother‘s condition. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @TheBookHippie I am not too far in (only about 70 pages) but I agree they are not dealing with the complicated feelsing around their mom. Elena is throwing herself into caring, and balancing everything as best she can while Sam is withdrawing. It sounds like even when she is not working she is not getting up with her mother in the night, letting Elena do it instead because she is just unable to. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @TrishB @Bookwormjillk @CBee @TheBookHippie I am curious about this idea that they have no close relationships. It seems like others have offered to help, there was that guy walking the dog that Sam interacted with who seemed to genuinly be offering her help, but she was revolted by his offer and seemed untrusting of him, do you think they have a role in isolating themselves by not accepting help? 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @GatheringBooks so sorry to hear about your mom, My ex-mother in law is in the same position, even with the resources it is a hard position to be in. Thiking about if we didn't have those resources and no community to rely on for help, it does seem their position is insurmountable, the only options is Elena taking it a moment at a time dealing with everything, and Sam withdrawing. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @ChaoticMissAdventures I think something must have happened that we don‘t know about yet that makes them not want to take the time to depend on anyone on the island. Like they‘ve decided it‘s not worth it. 3mo
TheBookHippie @ChaoticMissAdventures I think they are in survival mode and trust no one to help. They asked before, no one helped and things got worse. Which is fairly normal. They are protecting themselves. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Susanita - yes, that‘s what they are doing, awful as it is. 3mo
squirrelbrain @TrishB @AmyG @sarahbarnes @GatheringBooks - I agree Myra, so interesting to see similar family dynamics played out between sisters. 3mo
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures - yes, I thought about him too - he was a local, I think, but she seemed really resentful of him. I wonder why, maybe because he has money? 3mo
squirrelbrain @TheBookHippie @bookwormjillk - I wonder what is complicating their feelings towards their Mom (other than all the obvious stuff)? Is it the same thing that isolates them from the whole community? (edited) 3mo
TheBookHippie @squirrelbrain Her decisions for her life and the no choice in the matter for theirs is continuing into adulthood, which is easy to do to childhood trauma children. They may not know why, but having no choice and no safe place creates huge isolation. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @squirrelbrain @thebookhippie I think we will get more later, but it seems like maybe growing up with these people in the area, most of them had money and maybe looked down and were mean to the girls growing up? That might make them resistant to accept any type of help from them as adults. But it will be interesting to see if more comes about the past. for sure CPS didn't help when they were called, and then the teachers just sort of moved on. 3mo
TheBookHippie @ChaoticMissAdventures I think once the adults didn‘t help, the rest reinforced that they don‘t matter. 3mo
Megabooks @Susanita 100% agree with this. It is a very rough place to be. @soubhiville I am in this place now with my parents, and at times, I feel like both Elena and Sam. Both reactions are equally valid and believable to me. @DGrachel Even with funds for some help (we have an aide a few hours a day), it is still difficult. I couldn't imagine how hard it is to do that without the additional help and money I have. 3mo
Megabooks @GatheringBooks I'm sorry you're going through that. I am, too. We have aides for part of each day, but when they are not here, the bulk of care falls to me. Because they are paid for through Dad's long-term care insurance, they can't help Mom at all, so any caregiving tasks for her, fall to me anyway. It is difficult and exhausting. (Both my parents are physically disabled, but Dad is only just starting to show some signs of dementia.) 3mo
Megabooks While I found this part of the book interesting, I tried not to think about it too deeply or get very emotionally involved in this part of the story. Books are my escape from caring for my elderly parents, so reading about it a book overwhelms me a bit. 3mo
BarbaraBB @ChaoticMissAdventures I‘ve been thinking of that neighbor too, but they seem too proud to accept help - at least Sam is. 3mo
BarbaraBB @TheBookHippie you‘ve said it so well. They‘re trapped. The bear seems a way out somehow @CBee I agree! 3mo
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures @thebookhippie - yes, it feels like once they didn‘t get help when they needed it, they felt unwanted. 3mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks This must have been rough for you to read and probably the last subject you wanted to read about. It felt very real, the way Julia Phillips describes the caretaking. 3mo
Hooked_on_books The one thing I‘ll add to the excellent commentary here is the period of time in Sam and Elena‘s lives in which this is happening. They are both at the stage where they should be spreading their wings and exploring their places in the world, but instead they are anchored in place by their mother‘s needs and dragged downward by the caregiving and financial difficulties. I think if they were older it would be less poignant. 3mo
peaKnit I don‘t have much to add except to agree with many opinions so far. Sam seems more angry while Elena more resigned. It seems the both have pulled inward and cut off any potential support. 3mo
squirrelbrain So true @Hooked_on_books - they should be making their own lives and the island must really feel like a trap that they are stuck in. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole @Hooked_on_books yes!! I kept thinking about how they should be rebelling, going to parties, dating, exploring the world, etc. instead they are caring for their mother who‘s young herself. Seems like their lack of resources has made the decision for them: caring for their mom is the only option. No doubt it‘s hard at any age but especially at their young age. 3mo
DebinHawaii Everything has already been so well said. I just finished listening to the first half of book yesterday so I am a bit behind. Caregiving is so difficult for everyone involved but without the financial ability to have some respite in there or any support from outside, it‘s a terrible situation. I feel for both sisters but especially Elena as she has most of the burden. 3mo
BarbaraJean So many have already articulated my same thoughts! The struggle over finances & caring for their mother was difficult to read—I have a hard time reading about situations where there seems to be no way out. A bit of injustice fatigue! I also really resonated with @Hooked_on_books comment on the stage of life that Elena and Sam are in—dealing with these types of problems before they're able to explore or establish their own place in the world. ⬇ 3mo
BarbaraJean Initially, I sympathized most with Elena. Sam was frustrating—just marking time, fantasizing about when she can leave. Her job situation wasn‘t entirely under her control & that struggle is real, so I sympathized with her, but she seemed so lost & avoidance was her only strategy. It bothered me that she let Elena take on larger financial & practical burdens, as well as more of their mother‘s care. (But my sympathies shifted as the book went on!) 3mo
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Welcome to our final book of #camplitsy24! But watch out, there‘s a 🐻 in camp!

As ever, if you‘ve read to the end please don‘t include any comments that may spoil it for others.

The book has a real sense of place on San Juan island in the Pacific Northwest - how did this influence the storyline and the sisters themselves?

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Kitta I think it really sets the scene, mirroring how isolated they are from being able to get help for their mother. The sisters are really close and don‘t have any friends, as if they‘re an island unto themselves socially. I really like the descriptions, I have family on Victoria Island, and would love to visit one day. It‘s interesting to think about the island in Clear as well and compare. It‘s a hard life. 3mo
TheBookHippie I think they are both in survival mode and one seems to be frozen in from trauma and the other is seemingly “eldest daughter do it all” but has no choice, and is bitter perhaps. 3mo
Susanita The isolation contributes to the sisters‘ sense that they have to do everything themselves and only depend on each other. It‘s such a contrast with the lives of the people who ride the ferry to the mainland. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @TheBookHippie I think hit it on the head with survival mode, and the island only adds to it with the logistical challenges of getting to appointments and so on. Edited to add but it also sounds beautiful and now I want to go but hopefully I won‘t be annoying. (edited) 3mo
TrishB Agree that it‘s the isolation and obviously the family situation that has led to the increasing poverty situation. There probably aren‘t a lot of job choices. 3mo
AmyG I agree with you all….the isolation. It seemed like the 3 of them…no friends, family or help with their Mom. . I also felt the job choices were slim due to the smallness of the island. So they did the best with what they had in hopes to leave one day. 3mo
CBee @Kitta I agree with your comment, especially “as if they‘re an island unto themselves socially.” They live on the island, but don‘t really participate in it, if that makes sense. The three of them are their own little island and I admit I‘m curious how they‘ve never had friends, other family…. Maybe we‘ll find out. Great read so far! 3mo
Soubhiville @TheBookHippie worded it well with Survival Mode, and I think you‘re right @TrishB that options are probably very limited job wise, as in a lot of small towns/ communities. When you don‘t quite make enough money to catch up to your expenses, every tiny surprise expense is a heavy blow. It‘s scary being in that financial situation. It‘s like they are both on the physical island and a metaphoric one with their personal lives. 3mo
Soubhiville @CBee I agree I wonder why they are socially isolated? 3mo
DGRachel I‘ve found this extremely sad so far. @Kitta I agree about the girls being an island unto themselves. I hadn‘t put that connection into words in my brain, but the island mirrors that. @TheBookHippie survival mode is the perfect description. It‘s so much more than the island, though, that contributes. This seems to be a family that just can‘t catch a break. Their neighbors seem financially sound, so it‘s a series of hard #life events. 3mo
JenReadsAlot Very isolating for them. 3mo
TrishB @Soubhiville I think a lot of poor people are socially isolated- either by themselves because they can‘t join in or by others for the same reason. Poverty is very isolating and as you say- every extra expense is a body blow. 3mo
TrishB @DGRachel it is very sad. 3mo
CBee @Soubhiville I‘m hoping we‘ll get more insight. But I agree with others that poverty in itself can isolate… 3mo
sarahbarnes Yes to the sense of and the true isolation they experience there. Agree with @TrishB that people living in poverty are socially isolated for the reasons you articulated. It also feels like such an isolating community to begin with - small and literally on an island, and many people who are there don‘t live there. 3mo
DGRachel They are isolated by the fact that growing up, the girls were failed by everyone who should have protected them - their mother, the abusive boyfriend, teachers, family services - every adult with power and responsibility failed them. That kind of trauma leaves emotional scars, in addition to any physical scars, and can make finding a healthy way out nearly impossible unless that trauma is processed. 3mo
GatheringBooks @DGRachel i did sense that deep-seated trauma coming through and the distrust of authority, and the brewing resentment. Loved @Kitta‘s island unto themselves comment. It does feel that way, along with the social class divide that seems so stark in the face of the tourists they serve on a daily basis. Our college kid studies in Seattle so I could picture the island and Pacific Northwest vibe quite keenly. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Kitta interesting to compare it to Clear, they seem so different, where you have islands, and one solo inhabitant living in peace with the animals (though domesticated) and not wanting to leave, where in Bear (both one word titles!) you have a wild animal that the girls are not living in peace with (through their own terror) and they are wanting to flee the island. Different but both dealing so much with isolation and the idea of belonging. 3mo
squirrelbrain It‘s interesting @kitta @amyg @cbee that they don‘t appear to have any other support outside of their tiny family unit - no friends or family around them. (edited) 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Soubhiville I like this idead of being both physically and metaphorically on an island. We have read these stories before, poor people being on an island of their own due to their financial circumstances, but I like how Phillips puts them on a literal island with a small amount of people they have known all their lives and they are still even more isolated and alone in their circumstances. 3mo
squirrelbrain @TrishB @Soubhiville @sarahbarnes - here in the UK some of the most deprived towns are in coastal holiday spots, where people visit for holidays but don‘t stay in the winter months. Locals who stay there have to work in low-paid jobs that no-one else will do but are priced out of owning homes or even renting. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes @ChaoticMissAdventures - such a contrast to Clear, despite the initial similarities! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @DGRachel I agree with your trauma assessment, how they have been failed over and over, and it is so hard to process and move on, and then add to that an ill mother that they feel obligated to care for, even though they cannot in most ways handle that responsibliity they are still living the trauma. 3mo
squirrelbrain @TheBookHippie - they both seem frozen somehow, in the roles that they have adopted - older / younger sister. 3mo
Kitta @ChaoticMissAdventures I was thinking of the social isolation between both books rather than wanting to be on the island or not, and the animals. I expected this to be more like the Alternatives given the subject matter (sisters, someone ailing, somewhere isolated) and was surprised to find it was totally different! I like the descriptions of the islands in Bear and Clear. I see a lot of similarities between island life in both. Toiling away. 3mo
squirrelbrain @GatheringBooks @DGRachel - I felt more resentment from Sam, did you? I thought that Elena was more resigned to it all. 3mo
Kitta @squirrelbrain I agree, about the resentment. I wonder (as an older sibling who feels this) if Elena felt like she had to hold it together and resentment doesn‘t change anything. If she‘s feeling forced to act like a parent here. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @squirrelbrain this also reminds me of Hawaii. Most of the local indiginous population have been priced out of the high cost of living/housing while tourists float in and out. I am going up near where Bear is set on Monday, and will take some picutures and share! It is gorgeous, though we do have to keep in mind this issue with the locals. 3mo
DGRachel @squirrelbrain Sam‘s resentment is definitely more overt, but I wonder if that‘s because we really only get her perspective. She counts on her sister to be the adult in the room, and seems to miss some of the deeper suffering that Elena must feel. 3mo
Megabooks Living in a house with and caring for my two disabled parents I will note it is *incredibly* isolating even in a town where the three of us have lived and made friends over the past 40+ years. I think for people who haven't lived that existence the stark setting perhaps put them in more of a mindset to believe it/understand it. I agree there is a survival mode to that situation, too. (edited) 3mo
BarbaraBB @Susanita Yes that contrast with the people who ride the ferry really accentuates their isolation, I felt that too. 3mo
Meshell1313 @ChaoticMissAdventures yes! I also loved the comparison between the two books and how in one the island is a place of happiness and in bear it‘s a place of misery for Sam. I love how the island becomes an almost character itself and how a lot of the action takes place on the ferry so the ferry becomes almost a gateway between poverty and hope for her. 3mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks I do believe you about it being so isolating, working and living as a caretaker. Then there‘s the poverty and the small community, it all adds I think to their trauma and how they behave. 3mo
squirrelbrain Looking forward to seeing some pictures! @ChaoticMissAdventures - the closest I‘ve been is Vancouver and we didn‘t even go to Vancouver Island then, just stayed near the city. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Meshell1313 - yes, I felt that the island was a character in itself. I love your depiction of the ferry being a gateway - I hadn‘t thought of how the ferry felt to Sam, that dichotomy of disliking the work and the rich visitors but also it being the only way to escape. 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain I felt more resentment from Sam as well. 3mo
Hooked_on_books I loved the setting because I love that part of the world. And Phillips evoked it so well that I felt like I was there. I was going to mention that their roles as caregivers to their mother undoubtedly played a role in their isolation, but @Megabooks beat me to it and fleshed it out well. And @Kitta add me to your list of admirers for your phrasing of the sisters being like an island socially. Beautifully put. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Great thoughts from everyone! I hadn‘t thought to compare this one to Clear — @Kitta And indeed this family was isolated. It seemed like a very insular existence. 3mo
DebinHawaii I think the comparison to Clear is genius & agree. I loved how atmospheric both of these books are. It really draws me in as a reader. I spent some time in the San Juans when I lived in Seattle & picturing it in my head as I am listening just adds to the experience. 3mo
squirrelbrain I love it when you can picture a book more clearly because you‘ve been ‘there‘ @DebinHawaii 3mo
BarbaraJean I love @Kitta‘s idea of the sisters being “an island unto themselves,” and I also feel they‘re isolated from each other. Some of that is sister dynamics—the older having that primary caregiver/provider role. But the resentment is also a factor. As @DGRachel said, Sam‘s is more overt, but I think it‘s on both sides. As readers, we‘re so closely inside Sam‘s perspective that we have only hints about things Sam doesn‘t realize (or is avoiding). 3mo
BarbaraJean I was struck by how stories with a “small town” setting so often go a very different direction: heartwarming stories of rallying around the struggling. This is not that! The stark reality of the sisters‘ situation feels very realistic: how poverty snowballs so quickly and can prompt a self-imposed isolation—out of distrust, pride/shame, family loyalty. Underneath the bear story, this is a very real wrestling with poverty & healthcare in the US. 3mo
squirrelbrain So true @BarbaraJean that ‘small town‘ stories are often much ‘fluffier‘ and I hadn‘t really thought of that perspective before. 3mo
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