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Unwell Women
Unwell Women: A Journey Through Medicine And Myth in a Man-Made World | Elinor Cleghorn
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'We are taught that medicine is the art of solving our body's mysteries. And as a science, we expect medicine to uphold the principles of evidence and impartiality. We want our doctors to listen to us and care for us as people, but we also need their assessments of our pain and fevers, aches and exhaustion to be free of any prejudice about who we are, our gender, or the colour of our skin. But medicine carries the burden of its own troubling history. The history of medicine, of illness, is a history of people, of their bodies and their lives, not just physicians, surgeons, clinicians and researchers. And medical progress has always reflected the realities of a changing world, and the meanings of being human.' In Unwell Women Elinor Cleghorn unpacks the roots of the perpetual misunderstanding, mystification and misdiagnosis of women's bodies, and traces the journey from the 'wandering womb' of ancient Greece, the rise of witch trials in Medieval Europe, through the dawn of Hysteria, to modern day understandings of autoimmune diseases, the menopause and conditions like endometriosis. Packed with character studies of women who have suffered, challenged and rewritten medical orthodoxy - and drawing on her own experience of un-diagnosed Lupus disease - this is a ground-breaking and timely expos of the medical world and woman's place within it.
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Bookwormjillk
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This was a tough read, especially now, but I wasn‘t going to extend my hold after waiting for it since July. The whole book was interesting, but I preferred the parts that pertained to more modern medicine. I wish there was something about how to advocate for myself, my daughter, and my mother. #SheRead @Riveted_Reader_Melissa #36by36 @MatchlessMarie #NFN

MatchlessMarie Ooh I‘d read one that included the missing parts. That part is so hard IRL. 🖤 1w
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Bookwormjillk
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#TodayILearned #NFN

Initially doctors thought only men could have MS even though now we know women get it at much higher rates than men. In women it was just diagnosed as hysteria.

I made it out for two walks today and with this rage inducing listen I made really good time. Grrrr.

MidnightBookGirl 😡 That is both infuriating and unsurprising. 1w
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Bookwormjillk
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The last two days I listened to the Cybersecurity Daily podcast. There was some interesting stuff about cybersecurity and the election.

Today I started the tagged book which is full of valuable but infuriating information. Today‘s learning/deep thought was about the Covid-19 pandemic and the response which essentially decided who deserves health.
#TodayILearned #NFN

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staci.reads
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This one has taken me a while to get through, as I knew it would when I picked it up for the August #SheSaid selection. It's been infuriating to read about the historical lack of understanding, the dismissal, and the downright indifference of the medical community when it comes to women's health when I am so fresh off living the reality. Almost exactly one year ago, a 13 cm tumor was found on my right ovary. I have spent this past year working ⬇️

staci.reads With countless healthcare professionals and have interacted with everything across the spectrum from doctors who really LISTEN and BELIEVE to those who treat you like a specimen and with whom you nearly have to beg for information about your own body. It shouldn't 👏still 👏be👏 that👏 way👏. 2mo
staci.reads I am one of the lucky 15% whose ovarian cancer was caught in stage I. But it took 7+ weeks, 10 appointments, 4 blood draws, 2 pelvic exams, a transvaginal ultrasound, a CT scan, a mammogram and follow up ultrasound, a colonoscopy, and then major surgery (removal of my uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes, omentum, and multiple lymph nodes) before anyone could diagnose ovarian cancer. 2mo
staci.reads I'm told that my symptoms likely showed up sooner because I was filled with an "extensive" amount of endometriosis. We shouldn't be in a position where we need to be "lucky" enough to have other conditions in order to catch this disease early. We shouldn't still know so little about it. 2mo
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staci.reads I don't share much on social media, and I'm uncomfortable with attention. Posting personal details like this isn't easy for me. However, if this book got anything across to me, it's that as women, we have to tell our stories. That's how we spread awareness. If one person reads this and it moves them to get their own symptoms checked or to encourage a loved one to get symptoms checked, then it has been more than worth the discomfort. 2mo
Bookwormjillk Thanks for sharing this ❤️ 2mo
staci.reads Symptoms of ovarian cancer: persistent bloating, stomach pain, feeling full quickly, lack of appetite, feeling the urge to pee more frequently, unusual bleeding, change in bowel habits, unexplained weight loss, fatigue. Don't be complacent, and don't let anyone tell you that you don't know your body best! 2mo
JenReadsAlot ❤️ 2mo
Librarybelle ❤️❤️❤️ 2mo
Bookwomble 🩷 2mo
Jas16 ❤️ 2mo
MaureenMc Thank you for sharing 💗 2mo
Amiable Important information indeed —thank you for your fierce advocacy! 2mo
Ruthiella ❤️❤️❤️ 2mo
mabell Oh my goodness! You have been through so much! Thank you so much for raising awareness!! 2mo
Leftcoastzen Thank you for your advocacy ! Sorry you had to go through so much . Seems to me the health care system challenges you to keep going while obviously not being well. Hugs and hopes for a speedy recovery. ❤️‍🩹 2mo
dabbe You are a force to behold. Thank you for sharing your journey and for raising women's awareness. 🧡🩶🧡 2mo
TNbookworm Thank you for sharing ❤️ 2mo
Deblovestoread Thanks for sharing your journey. Our voice is our most important tool. 2mo
Catsandbooks Thank you for sharing your story! You are a warrior! 🩵 2mo
mrp27 Thank you for sharing! 2mo
AnneCecilie Thank you for sharing 2mo
TieDyeDude ❤💪 2mo
janeycanuck Thank you for pushing through your discomfort and sharing. It is going to make a difference for someone. 2mo
Gissy ♥️♥️♥️ 2mo
TheBookHippie ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️ 2mo
staci.reads @Bookwormjillk you're welcome 💙 1mo
staci.reads @MaureenMc absolutely! 1mo
staci.reads @Amiable Yes, SO important! Thank you 😊 1mo
staci.reads @mabell Thank you. Women need to be more aware of this one 😔 1mo
staci.reads @Leftcoastzen Thank you so much. I'm doing well. Just had my 7 month post-chemo scans and blood work, and all is clear 🙌 I wish our healthcare system didn't make women work so hard to be heard 😢 1mo
staci.reads @dabbe Aww, thank you 😊 1mo
staci.reads @TNbookworm Absolutely 💙 1mo
staci.reads @Deblovestoread For sure! It's just a shame we have to be so loud sometimes to be listened to. 1mo
staci.reads @Catsandbooks Thank you so much 💙 1mo
staci.reads @mrp27 Absolutely 💙 1mo
staci.reads @AnneCecilie Too important to stay quiet 💙 1mo
staci.reads @TieDyeDude Thanks 😊 1mo
staci.reads @janeycanuck Thank you. I hope so! 💙 1mo
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Hannah_11
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As a woman working in healthcare this hit hard. Not usually a reader of non-fiction but this is so well researched and written. I couldn‘t put it down. #pick #unwellwomen #healthcare

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AllDebooks
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This is such a thorough, complex history of women, health and medicine. There is nothing new but this remains an important discussion of how men and medicine has treated women over centuries. Warning - it is enraging and at times distressing.

Read with #SheSaid @Riveted_Reader_Melissa

AnnCrystal 😟😢♀️🙏💝. (edited) 3mo
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DebinHawaii
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#ReadAway2024 #ForTheLoveOfBooks

Finished today for #SheSaid this is an interesting & infuriating book that caused me to “rage read” & need to put it down a lot so I didn‘t throw my library print copy. My library audiobook came in this week so I finished it up yesterday & today, “rage listening.” 🤯😤🤬 About women‘s experiences with the medical establishment throughout history, it‘s not that I didn‘t know a lot of it but having it laid out ⬇️

DebinHawaii …so completely over time, plus knowing our bodies & decisions are still being controlled by men today make it hard to read. Still interesting & important while dismaying for all women, particularly those of color. A good pick I probably wouldn‘t have found on my own without this group. 3mo
DieAReader 🥳Womderful! 📚Stacked! 3mo
DieAReader @hp-lover9000 One to watch for maybe🤔 3mo
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AnnCrystal 🙏🤨😢😟👍. 3mo
AnneCecilie I completely agree with you. I‘m happy to know that I wasn‘t alone in my anger reading. 3mo
TheSpineView Great job! 3mo
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AllDebooks
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I've been reading the tagged for #SheSaid August #buddyread I have to take it slowly as the content is enraging. Cleghorn writes about the treatment of women by medical men over the centuries, from wandering wombs to hysteria and everything in between.
Highly recommended.

AllDebooks On a whim, I picked up Bodies of Light, a 2014 novel by Sarah Moss. One of if the main characters undergoes training to be a Dr in Victorian London. A lot of the beliefs and practices shown in Claghorn's book are utilised in the plot, including Henry Maudsley's diabolical letter to Fortnightly Review. #SheSaid @Riveted_Reader_Melissa 3mo
tpixie I just read some other blurb somewhere about wandering wombs!! Geesh!! 😫😱🤯 3mo
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AnneCecilie
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It‘s been awhile since I was this angry while reading a book, and the last time was when I read Invisible Women. Angry because this really highlights all the wrongs women have gone through all the way back to the Greeks. Women has only been seen as carriers of babies and mothers, and anyone else are seen as threats. Even if things are far from perfect in 2024, I‘m still happy that I‘m living now.

And the suffragettes, I knew they were fighting

AnneCecilie for the vote, but they were fighting for so much more and willing to sacrifice their lives. Their fighting really changed women‘s opportunities. I will be very surprised if this book doesn‘t make it on my “Best books of 2024”. #SheSaid @Riveted_Reader_Melissa (edited) 3mo
TrishB I went to go and look at buying this based on your review! Turns out I already brought it last year. I guess I just need to read it now 😁 3mo
AnnCrystal 👏😢🥲💝. 3mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Hello #SheSaid! I‘m still far behind on this one, and I know a few others of you got late starts as well.

How is it going? Getting there slowly, but surely?

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vlwelser I think this was definitely worth reading even if there is nothing earth shattering or groundbreaking about it. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa There is an issue with our next book…please check out that post and let me know what you think 3mo
AllDebooks I'm still behind, too. I'm fascinated by it but can only cope with reading small chunks at a time. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks next week will be catch up week for this book for me 🤞 but I‘m having the same tiny sections is all I can do, some is real life, some is tough reading.🤷‍♀️ 3mo
AllDebooks @Riveted_Reader_Melissa it's the tough subject matter for me. I get very shouty at the book, and then I feel bad, as it's not the books fault. 😅 3mo
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vlwelser
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This is basically a history of women's health as it was shaped by male doctors and other mostly male influences. Super interesting.

#SheSaid @Riveted_Reader_Melissa

#BookSpinBingo @TheAromaofBooks

TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!! 3mo
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AnneCecilie
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Cleghorn has turned her attention to diethylstilboestrol (DES), a synthetic oestrogen.

Who could ever thought that this was possible? I‘m speechless

Jari-chan 🤦🤦🤦 3mo
IuliaC I understood from another book I recently read, that in matters of hormones tremendous unintentional abusive use was made by physicians throughout history until further research revealed more relevant information 3mo
Velvetfur 😳 3mo
AnnCrystal That's scary horrible 😟😢🤬. (edited) 3mo
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GingerAntics
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As a woman diagnosed with hEDS in the last 1.5 years, this book is so validating. It also explains so much of my own experiences with medical professionals. The EDS explains so much of my life history. This book is such an important starting point, this should be required reading for any medical professional to be licensed in the 2020s.
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GingerAntics How are women to be treated like human beings with the ability to make decisions for themselves about their lives and their medical treatment socially and culturally, if medical professionals don‘t even take us seriously as human beings? #elinorcleghorn #unwellwomen #chronicillness #sexism #everydaysexism #eds #heds #pain #chronicpain #iamanunwellwoman 3mo
GingerAntics This was quite a lovely companion today as I sat in dealing with low level joint pain and ridiculously dry eyes (I swear, every day I find a new connection between something truly annoying in my life and EDS). 3mo
kspenmoll I am happy you have a diagnosis; sad you are living with its symptoms. I looked it up but sounds like there are many kinds. Do you have a source you think is best? I know we are just litsy friends but i care for you. 🩵 I got Unwell Women from the library. (edited) 3mo
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GingerAntics @kspenmoll honestly, I‘m still wrapping my head around it. Every time I turn around another random thing is tied to it. lol I‘ve taken to just googling the symptom and EDS just to see what pops up. lol There is the Ehlor‘s Danlos Society that‘s pretty good. I haven‘t found any books yet. There are 13 kinds or 16 kinds. It‘s a lot of kinds. I have the hypermobile kind. It‘s the only one without a genetic test. 3mo
GingerAntics @kspenmoll it‘s finally an answer to why I‘ve felt like I was “getting old” since my late teens. It took a physical therapist asking the right questions for me to end up with a diagnosis. Man I love that guy! The book is great! It‘s also kind of sad how women have been completely abandoned and even outright harmed by the medical profession when men took over and started outlawing midwives/women from attending births and caring for each other. 3mo
GingerAntics @kspenmoll like most things, if guys would just keep out of it, or come in asking questions instead of making pronouncements, we would be SO much further along. 3mo
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KathyWheeler
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While I liked this book for the most part, covering the history of women and medicine from ancient times to the present is a bit much to take on, leading to some topics being treated sparely. Because Cleghorn focuses on mostly Western Europe and the USA, she was able to narrow her focus somewhat. I liked that the experiences of marginalized people weren‘t completely ignored. When I finished this, I started The Women as my new #audiowalk book.

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Hello #SheSaid!

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa If anyone would like added or removed from the tag list, please just let me know. 3mo
vlwelser I'm still entirely drawn into this. The history is fascinating. I think I may start to get more annoyed as we move closer to the present. Also the narrator on the audio is sort of awful. The way she pronounces things occasionally drives me up a wall. 3mo
Suet624 I‘ll have to skip this one but thank you for keeping me on your list. 3mo
kspenmoll I just got called that the library has this hold in- plan to read but will be my own pace. 3mo
staci.reads I just got my copy! I have some catching up to do! 3mo
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CatLass007
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#SheSaid I HAD to stop reading this book. The history of the millennias of women‘s lack of rights, especially when it comes to her body and health is extremely important. It‘s also extremely depressing and anxiety provoking. I was willing to read the entire book IF, at the end, actionable changes were proposed. So I skipped to the end to see if there were any such proposals made, and there weren‘t. Of course, we have to take charge of (cont) ⬇️

CatLass007 our own health care, we need to be our own team leaders making sure that our providers work together. But the “how” of doing so is not elaborated, so I stopped reading the book and I will start looking for possible solutions elsewhere. 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yes, it‘s a hard read. I‘m struggling this month too, real life is stressful so I‘m picking up lighter reading instead. But for me, sometime understanding the root or the problem, the depth of the problem, helps me to face it and tackle it head on too. You have to know there is a problem and what its system is, how it functions and perpetuates to even think about how to dismantle, counter, and fix it. 3mo
Velvetfur Hmmm that does sound like a hard read, but one that I'd be up for.... 3mo
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AnneCecilie
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Well imagine that

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AnneCecilie
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Statistics from the 1910 US census

thegirlwiththelibrarybag 🤯 how incredibly awful 3mo
AnnCrystal 😟🥺😢. 3mo
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KathyWheeler
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I listened to more of this on my walk at the Birmingham Botanical Gardens, and my daughter and I listened to it on our trip back home. She was even more outraged than I am! That Vulcan statue is my favorite in Birmingham because of the flowers on him. #audiowalk

CBee You‘ve been in my neck of the woods 😊 3mo
KathyWheeler @CBee Oh! I didn‘t know you were up that way. My daughter had orientation at Jefferson State. Her program is mostly online, but there are a few times that she has to be up there. 3mo
CBee @KathyWheeler I‘m in Alabaster, a bit south of Birmingham 😊 3mo
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KathyWheeler @CBee I haven‘t been there. 3mo
CBee @KathyWheeler it‘s nothing super special 😂 3mo
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DGRachel
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I really wanted to read this month‘s #shesaid selection via audiobook, but I cannot. The narrator is the same woman who narrated Butter and I‘d rather shove ice picks in my ears than listen to her. 😭😭 #camplitsy24 has traumatized me 🤣🤣

BarbaraBB Lol I am glad I read Butter in print! 3mo
Bookwormjillk 🤣🤣🤣glad I got it on kindle! 3mo
Megabooks lol! Glad I read both books in print!! 👍🏻🤣 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa 😂 yea, some narrators do not work for some people 3mo
kspenmoll I just got mine from the library. Thinking it will take me into Sept to read as I go back to work this coming Monday. 3mo
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KathyWheeler
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Before I left with my daughter on a quick trip to Birmingham, I did a short #audiowalk (with a stationary bike warm up and cool down) at the rec center. Unwell Women is really interesting.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m still behind, but starting to make some progress. Sorry, some unwell women in my household at the moment too…my mom had back surgery last Friday…. But I‘ll get caught up eventually. I hope everyone is learning lots and if not enjoying the topic, enjoying knowing you are not alone or imagining some of this stuff.

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TheBookHippie Seeing all the post I just put it on hold at the library! Hope things settle down by you. 3mo
CatLass007 I‘m behind also. I‘m feeling a lot of powerful emotions reading this book. Anger is at the top. It‘s good to know the history but it‘s stressful learning all of this. I‘m hoping that the author offers possible solutions to the imbalance of power that still exists in society and particularly in medicine. If that doesn‘t happen, I will feel like I‘ve wasted my time and energy on this book. 3mo
AnneCecilie I‘m also behind, but I knew pretty early on that this book was gonna make me angry and it does. Marriage and children seem to be the cure for every female malady for a long time. I read Wollstonecraft ages ago, but at had no idea that she wrote it in this climate. She was way braver than I thought 3mo
willaful I forgot all about this, being an unwell woman myself at the moment. @#$!@# covid! 3mo
MallenNC I‘m behind too (bc of the Olympics) but I thought about this book a lot while at two doctors‘ appointments this week. I don‘t feel dismissed by my doctors but I still don‘t always feel fully seen, so to speak. 3mo
DebinHawaii I read the first section but have not started the second because I wasn‘t in the mood to “rage read” this week & this book‘s subject infuriates me.🤬 That being said, it‘s good & right up your alley @TheBookHippie 3mo
TheBookHippie @DebinHawaii I‘m in rage at the medical field so should be fun 😵‍💫🤦🏻‍♀️👀 3mo
vlwelser The second section is more history stuff but we're getting closer to present day. This does actually explain a lot of things in a coherent and well researched way. There's a lot on giving birth and some of it was horrifying. 3mo
AllDebooks Wishing your mum a speedy recovery. I can not stop reading this, but I will have to as I'm at boiling point with the stupid medicine men. I just can't. I'm always fascinated by the history of medicine, but it's very rarely focused on the women before. I just need to read something light and fluffy. Does anyone know any good books on castration? 🤔😈 3mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @AllDebooks 😂 yea! That‘s the ticket! I keep putting it down and am off reading Mercy Thompson 🤣. Apparently medical real life and this book have lead to for fun reading. 3mo
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AnneCecilie
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The Victorian men really didn‘t want women to read now, did they?

#SheSaid

Bookwomble Clearly, a good, stable pair of testicles is what's needed to safely enjoy literature! Harrumph! 😤⚽⚽🧐 3mo
quietlycuriouskate Hmmm, I wonder if upping my reading will get me and my "excited" ovaries through menopause more quickly. Worth a try, I'd say! 3mo
Susanita Train journeys! Long eyelashes! Perish the thought! 3mo
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AnnCrystal 😂🤣...sorry...🧐🤔😂. 3mo
AnneCecilie @quietlycuriouskate Doesn‘t hurt to try? 3mo
AnneCecilie @Bookwomble Apparently 🤯 3mo
AnneCecilie @Susanita Everything is wrong for you if you‘re a women. 3mo
rwmg I'm not sure “Reading will give you orgasms“ really works as a deterrent 3mo
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AnneCecilie
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Makes you wonder what kind of births he has been present to

#SheSaid

quietlycuriouskate 38 hours. Had anyone attempted "cheering counsel" I'd have torn them to pieces with my teeth (when I wasn't imploring them to just kill me so it would stop). 3mo
AnneCecilie @quietlycuriouskate I‘ve never given birth myself, but from what I‘ve been told, you wouldn‘t be the only one. I think there would be a queue of women joining you 3mo
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KathyWheeler
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Little George is watching the Olympics, and Wash is helping me do nighttime yoga. I‘m just appalled listening to this book because it‘s making me think about what must be the astronomical number of women who suffered and died because of ridiculous notions of modesty and propriety. #audiowalk

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Sir, it‘s called smut. If you were the least bit engaging in any way that was not condescending af, we wouldn‘t need it (probably). Also, since your lot have cut off women from literature for ages now, I think it appropriate to ask who exactly was reading that smut before putting this on record? (*whispers* we all know it was you bro)

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I‘m sorry, what? NONE of this makes sense, but men can “seek gratification” (we all know what that means), but women are going to bed early with a short candle after spending hours doing hard labour for zero reason? Or is the short candle a suggestion of alternative treatments only women would know about? Why does this feel like something the Republican Party could spout in a debate any moment now?

GingerAntics “A bit of light astronomy”? Really? “Hey hun, how about we go out and look at the stars in a quiet, private place and see if we can get you in a better mood, eh?” 🤦🏼‍♀️ I‘m sorry, is he secretly and (not so covertly) saying women have options for “gratification” as well? 3mo
kspenmoll This sounds so abusive! The wheel… 3mo
GingerAntics @kspenmoll just be prepared to be annoyed beyond belief and even posed off! 3mo
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Bro has seriously NEVER been “speculumised,” clearly. There is nothing exciting or “erotic” about it. I‘d say let‘s soeculumise these morons and see how the feel, but I have a nagging little feeling they might enjoy it after all. 😏😉 I‘m beginning to think “Unwell Men” might be a great alternate name for this book. They are the weirdos in this tale.
#ElinorCleghorn #UnwellWoman #forrealdude #forrealbro #clearlyclueless #clueless #disturbedmen

GingerAntics I feel like #wtf would be a fitting tag for this, as well. 3mo
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GingerAntics
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I found my way to this book via a post by the #shesaid group. I have to say, what a wonderful choice! I am so in love with this book already, and it is exactly what I needed right now. It even ties into How to Think Like a Woman with a wonderful discussion of Mary Wollstonecraft‘s horrific death.
#ElinorCleghorn #UnwellWomen #audiobook #MaryWollstonecraft

GingerAntics #HowToThinkLikeAWoman #ReganPenaluna #Philosophy #AdventuresInPhilosophy #DeadPhilosophersSociety
@TheBookHippie @ravenlee @JaclynW @RavenLovelyReads @AlaSkaat @Chrissyreadit @kspenmoll @bnp turns out Mary Wollstonecraft died because the doctor attending her birth didn‘t wash his hands before shoving his hand inside of her to remove her amniotic sack. 🙄 He probably couldn‘t be bothered to wait for her to expel it naturally.
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GingerAntics He probably wanted to hurry back to the autopsy he‘d abandoned to attend the birth. 🙄 I just don‘t see how that wasn‘t even gross. I can‘t imagine touching blood and NOT washing my hands. I mean, gross. @TheBookHippie (edited) 3mo
AlaSkaat Just recently found out I am pregnant. This creeps me out !! Unbelievable. 3mo
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AlaSkaat Far behind reading the book, but I‘m here just in the background lurking 😂 3mo
GingerAntics @AlaSkaat right? Like, gross bro! Don‘t touch me, let alone my new born, without washing your hands and putting on gloves. Just, no! Luckily, you are alive today and gloves + sterilising surfaces and hands will be a thing! So, some good news. 3mo
GingerAntics @AlaSkaat well, you have a great reason! 🧡🧡🧡 3mo
AlaSkaat @GingerAntics Yeah, but just the thought of it! Horrifying. The fact it wouldn‘t occur to someone to wash their hands before going INSIDE someone is just crazy. Now or then!! 3mo
AlaSkaat @GingerAntics For sure! And soon use it as the excuse to just sit and read books instead! 😂🙏 3mo
GingerAntics @AlaSkaat right? I don‘t like having things on my hands, even lotion. So I just can‘t imagine having blood and god knows what on your hands and just touching other people and just everything. EW!!!! 3mo
GingerAntics @AlaSkaat YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! 3mo
AlaSkaat @GingerAntics oh yeah, for sure. It seems common knowledge to have good hygiene, it‘s really hard to understand how people back in the day just knew absolutely nothing about it and it amounted to so many deaths before they figured it out 3mo
AlaSkaat @GingerAntics What‘s the next book that‘s on your guys list? Have you guys chose anything? 3mo
GingerAntics @AlaSkaat right? They literally locked up the first doctor that even showed PROOF that washing hands saved mothers and babies. They were hell bent that washing was evil… even with actual proof. 3mo
GingerAntics @AlaSkaat not sure. Maybe Determined. Our group could have a wonderful discussion of free will and if it‘s real or imagined. 3mo
AlaSkaat @GingerAntics Lol. People believed in a man in the sky with no proof, but then a woman cures her mother with a green plant from her garden and she‘s a witch!! 😂 I feel this mentality didn‘t really get lost, it just moved onto different things nowadays 😅 3mo
AlaSkaat Oh, free will sounds interesting! It always baffled me the idea it could be either way and which one is better!! 3mo
GingerAntics @AlaSkaat that‘s so true. Now women tend to be written off as “new age crazies” when they find things to help themselves or the women in their lives that aren‘t modern medicine. 3mo
GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I feel like free will is one of those things that we often take for granted, it‘s so much a part of our lives, politics, everything. To even entertain the idea that it‘s all made up is mind bending. I feel like there is a combination of real and not real to it. 3mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics still happens today. I‘ve lost two teen moms this way. 3mo
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie from doctor‘s not cleaning their hands?! 3mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Yup. The only way it would happen. Especially the one case. Strep A in bloodstream from cut or tear in delivery… I watched the doctor and she had no glove on, I questioned her… and she was irate. So sad. (edited) 3mo
kspenmoll I just saw this- seems like a must read for me! No glove?!!! OMG !!! This decade! @TheBookHippie (edited) 3mo
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie she was irate?! If I was that mother I would tell her to put a glove on or I would sue her if she touched me again. Gross 3mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics the mother was 14. 3mo
TheBookHippie @kspenmoll young pregnant girls have zero value. Especially if they are not white. 3mo
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that is truly disgusting… never mind it‘s basically malpractice at this point. 3mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics welcome to my screaming into the VOID. I did 28 years volunteer doula for teens. Now I just give advice and direction to the current doulas when asked. 3mo
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oh my god, I cannot imagine being the doula in that situation and being like “don‘t get an attitude with me. I will help this kid file a malpractice suit on you.” Abortion bans are all about the kids, but once they‘re born this country does not give a shit about them. 3mo
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics abortion bans are about control. I was well known for my mouth, most of the time I could protect them but the treatment they received was just wrong on so many levels. 3mo
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KathyWheeler
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Listening to Unwell Women for #SheSaid and #audiowalk. I also listened to it while riding the stationary bike, but not while doing yoga. It‘s interesting and infuriating.

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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Hello #SheSaid!

I‘m a bit behind this week, but I hope the rest of you are enjoying our new selection. I‘ll catch up soon and meet you in the comments.

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DebinHawaii Just picked up my copy from the library yesterday so I‘ll be catching up. 4mo
Riveted_Reader_Melissa @DebinHawaii We can catch up together 😉 4mo
CatLass007 I‘m not sure that this is a book to be enjoyed, although it is intriguing and informative. I‘ve listened to the introduction and the first two chapters. It feels like being punched in the gut. I‘m participating in the #SundayBuddyRead also and there‘s a scene in which a wealthy man threatens to have his wife committed. Same damn thing. Women had no rights and the Right Wingers in the USA want to take away the rights we‘ve fought so hard for. 4mo
vlwelser This book is so detailed and interesting. She clearly did so much research. I love it so far. As a book. Not the ridiculous treatment of women. I hate that. 4mo
MallenNC I was only able to read the first chapter after getting this from the library yesterday. I think it‘s going to be thought provoking 4mo
AnneCecilie I‘ve picked it up from the library, but haven‘t started it yet. I‘ll get back once I‘ve read this part 4mo
staci.reads I can't even begin to list the stories in the 1st five chapters that were most appalling! Too many to recount! But the story of Anne Green, who survived being hanged, stomped on, and nearly autopsied after burying her stillborn fetus, and the stories of Anarcha, Betsy, and Lucy, enslaved girls who were horrifically experimented on, were a gut punch. ⬇️ 3mo
staci.reads I so appreciate this author documenting their experiences with names, dates, and facts. It takes these things that, in abstract, I knew happened and humanizes these women. 3mo
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Riveted_Reader_Melissa
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Up next for #SheSaid!

Put in your library holds & interlibrary loans!

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RedCurly
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This the book that every women should read! Sometimes it was hard to read because it was devasteting what psychians did with women throught history.

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rachelk
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“…it is impossible to separate the issue of my gender from the sense that my disease is not perceived as legitimate.”

After years of suffering and not being taken seriously, Cleghorn was finally diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. Here, she explores the history of discrimination against women by the medical field and the pervasive idea that our pain is emotional rather than physical.

While still a problem, Cleghorn ends on a hopeful note.

Suet624 Yeah, I‘ve kind of given up on regular md‘s. The only folks who have helped me are naturopaths, acupuncturists, and massage therapists. 1y
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Intriguing cover ❤️ 1y
rachelk @Suet624 I understand. I‘m glad there is help for you from the holistic community! 1y
rachelk @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks That‘s the hardcover version — I thought it was really cool looking. 1y
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eol
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About how medicine considered (and sometimes still considers) women as the “other”.

One of those books that will make you angry. And grateful you‘re not living two hundred years ago.

Or twenty...

It would‘ve been more interesting if I hadn‘t known most of this information already. Which, in hindsight, is a good thing—means we‘re finally getting somewhere.

3.5/5

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thewallflower0707
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Kindle in Germany has sooooo many good book deals this week! #Joan is lowered from 19€ to 1,19€, and #ThePatriarchs is lowered by 84%. The pirate adventure novel was released yesterday, and it sounds great.

#newbooks #ebooks #kindle #bookhaul

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Olivia306
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Currently reading this book and it‘s very hard not to get angry, be horrified or disgusted by the treatment of women throughout the history of medicine. It is such a compelling book and so engaging.

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Smartypants
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It‘s hard not to be angry after reading this book. It delves into the history of women‘s health and how women have been marginalized when it comes to health. The last chapter was most interesting to me. #history #women #health

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Shievad
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Cleghorn writes about the history of medicine and its treatment of women‘s health issues from BC times to the present. A lot of focus on early gynecology since women were seen as walking incubators and nothing more for most of humanity‘s existence. Later chapters focus on endocrinology, hormonal birth control, and autoimmune disorders. Cleghorn writes about her own experiences with her lupus diagnosis.

Chrissyreadit Im not sure There has been much progress. Was it a good book to read? I‘m curious but already disgusted frustrated and furious with women‘s health care 😾 3y
Shievad 😢 I agree there hasn‘t been much progress. If you like science history then I think you‘ll enjoy the book. It really is more of a history book than anything else. Some parts were brutal to read because of how horribly women have been treat (especially the section about experimentation on enslaved women in US). The medical community still brushes off women‘s health complaints and we‘re still left having to stumble around treating ourselves. 3y
Shievad If you‘re looking for something that focuses more on modern healthcare, I recommend Sex Matters: How Male-Centric Medicine Endangers Women‘s Health and What We Can Do About It by Alyson J. McGregor, MD. She gives tips at the end of every chapter on how to talk to your Dr. 3y
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Megabooks
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This is a history of healthcare and misogyny from BCE to now in 350 pgs. Since women were seen as walking wombs for a few thousand years 🙄, there‘s a lot of gynecology from the ancient “wandering womb” theory to modern endocrinology. In the most recent chapters, there‘s the developing study of autoimmune disorders and their effect on women. The author has SLE and writes about how her journey informed this book in the final chapter. Fascinating!!

Megabooks @Hooked_on_books you may enjoy this. 🤔 3y
Hooked_on_books Thanks for the tag! Not sure if I‘ll go for this one or not. 3y
Megabooks @Hooked_on_books 👍🏻 no problem! 3y
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Bookwormjillk Looks like a good one! 3y
Prairiegirl_reading Sounds very interesting! 3y
BarbaraTheBibliophage Definitely one for my list! 3y
Megabooks @Bookwormjillk @Prairiegirl_reading @BarbaraTheBibliophage it was truly fascinating! I hope you enjoy it if you decide to read it! 3y
Cinfhen Premise sounds fascinating but I‘m leaning towards #BorrowNotBuy 3y
Megabooks @Cinfhen 👍🏻👍🏻 I hope you‘re having fun! 💜 3y
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sebrittainclark
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4/5

This books works its way through history to lay out the misinformation and bias against women in Western medicine has and continues to affect the way women are treated and diagnosed with disease. At lot of this history is brutal. Terrible things have been done particularly to BIPOC, disabled, and poor women throughout history, and this book does not shy away from that truth.

This book isn't an easy read, but it's an important one.

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