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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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A mesmerizing novel of two sisters on a Pacific Northwest island whose lives are upended by an unexpected visitora tale of family, obsession, and a mysterious creature in the woods, by the celebrated, bestselling author of Disappearing Earth. They were sisters and they would last past the end of time. Sam and her sister, Elena, dream of another life. On the island off the coast of Washington where they were born and raised, they and their mother struggle to survive. Sam works long days on the ferry that delivers wealthy mainlanders to their vacation homes while Elena bartends at the local golf club, but even together they can't earn enough to get by, stirring their frustration about the limits that shape their existence. Then one night on the boat, Sam spots a bear swimming the dark waters of the channel. Where is it going? What does it want? When the bear turns up by their home, Sam, terrified, is more convinced than ever that it's time to leave the island. But Elena responds differently to the massive beast. Enchanted by its presence, she throws into doubt the plan to escape and puts their long-held dream in danger. A story about the bonds of sisterhood and the mysteries of the animals that live among usand within usBear is a propulsive, mythical, rich novel from one of the most acclaimed young writers in America.
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Phillips‘ writing is mesmerizing. I feel a little guilty for disliking Sam, given that she had been through so much. I thought the ending foreshadowed a dismal future for her. Both she and Elena were interesting characters, though. 3.5*

Ruthiella Sam was so frustrating! 2mo
Readerann @Ruthiella No kidding! And I‘m not sure it was believable that Ben and Danny were SO nice to her. 2mo
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While creative, I had a hard time liking the main storyteller. This would have been incredible if the sisters took turns telling this one. Fairy tale of sorts that has potential, but as the sister who does most things, I had a hard time feeling empathetic for Sam.

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I am really liking this book so far 🩷🩷😊😊

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Really liked this book about the relationship between two sisters and the bear that comes into their lives on an island off the coast of Washington. As the bear becomes the defining feature of their lives, truths and secrets come out and change their very existence. Very unlike anything I‘ve read and a real page turner at the end.

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Would not have read this except my irl book club picked it so here we are. I get why critics like it (this is exactly the type of book that shows up on the NYT bestsellers list) & it has some interesting things to say about sisterhood, our relationship to the environment/nature, the cost of living, caring for parents, dreams & reality, BUT I didn‘t like the characters (they don‘t grow) & the end is…not good.

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“A third of their household had dropped away; so many of the tiny beloved disruptions that Sam had come to rely on…were absent.”

marleed I like be this pic! 2mo
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I think Julia Phillips is a phenom. I loved Disappearing Earth and I loved Bear. I understand why others might feel differently. It‘s a difficult read. Two sisters, Sam & Elena, are beaten down by their circumstances: poverty, childhood abuse, and acting as caretaker for their terminally ill mother — but they‘ve always had each other. When a bear shows up on the Pacific Northwest island where they live…👇🏻

monalyisha 1/5: …(a fairytale setting for those who are privileged enough to afford the cost of living), their vastly different reactions reveal a chasm between them. Will they survive it? Philips‘ choice to limit the narrative to Sam‘s perspective is a clever and insidious one. It sways you to her side and makes her seem broken in ways that are perfectly understandable and sympathetic. 2mo
monalyisha 2/5: The problem is that her brokenness is deeper than that and her actions are not healthy. They come from a twisted place. The limited perspective obscures the fact that she‘s trapped her sister in a co-dependent and emotionally abusive relationship. 2mo
monalyisha 3/5: Readers have questioned why the sisters are so isolated, blaming it on their economic status and family responsibilities. This is true. However, their isolation is sustained because it‘s what Sam demands. Though she‘s not a wholly unsympathetic character, she‘s unreliable. She controls the narrative that we read and she desperately tries to control the narrative of their lives. 2mo
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monalyisha 4/5: She tells a story that casts Elena as the leader and herself as her sister‘s loyal subject. Meanwhile, she doesn‘t want Elena talking to anyone else. She reacts negatively to Elena‘s friendships, whether platonic or romantic. Her jealousy forces Elena to lie about the connections she manages to forge. When Elena‘s untruths are revealed, Sam gets to play the victim. In fairytales, the morality is clear-cut. Not so here. 2mo
monalyisha 5/5: This truth of the sisters‘ relationship darkens an already dark story. It follows the old adage “hurt people hurt people.” As Elena and the bear become increasingly inseparable, it leads the reader to reflect more deeply upon the epigraph. You have to wonder who holds the hazel-switch, and who is on the receiving end. 2mo
TheBookHippie One of the truest depictions of childhood trauma I‘ve read. Sam was stuck in Freeze … what a book. 2mo
monalyisha @TheBookHippie I think Philips wrote with such seamless complexity. I felt for Sam, obviously. I was scared for her and I was also scared *of* her. 2mo
monalyisha @TheBookHippie This particular quote was so chilling: “Elena had come back to Sam, to the bond they shared, because Sam demanded it of her. She would do it again now. Sorrow, money, and this goddamn creature had pulled Elena away, but Sam wasn‘t going to let her go any further. Elena confessed she loved other things, but in the end, she had to love her sister more.” (edited) 2mo
TheBookHippie @monalyisha Such a true depiction of a trauma bond. Those poor girls. 2mo
monalyisha @TheBookHippie Very sad! I haven‘t even been able to read the book I‘m meant to for Book Club this month. I can‘t make myself read another upsetting book right after this one. I need time to recover! 2mo
TheBookHippie @monalyisha it was comforting to me. Seldom in books is trauma depicted accurately. My friend and I had such a good discussion of this book, as we are both survivors of severe childhood trauma, we saw so much in the words others probably missed. It is so well done. 2mo
monalyisha @TheBookHippie I‘m both glad and sad for you (and I‘m sure you understand the ways in which I mean that). 2mo
SamAnne Wow. Waiting for my library hold to come 2mo
BarbaraBB Yes! I felt the same! 2mo
Clare-Dragonfly Wow, this reminds me of one of my favorite fairy tales (Snow-White and Rose-Red) and one of my favorite books (We Have Always Lived in the Castle), so I will have to read it. 2mo
monalyisha @Clare-Dragonfly There‘s an intentional parallel to Snow White & Rose Red! 🥀 2mo
BarbaraJean This is a FANTASTIC review. I felt the same about the tight focus on Sam's POV. Masterful. 2mo
Amiable I just picked this up from my library today and I‘m ready to dive in based on your review! 2mo
monalyisha @Amiable Good luck! 2mo
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“When Sam and Elena were children their mother used to take them on temperate evenings to play by the fairgrounds. She sat at a picnic table while they occupied themselves on the swings. She wore sunglasses. She could‘ve been their big sister. If they asked, she‘d push them, her hands firm and flat against their backs. She made them more powerful every time she touched them.”

monalyisha 📸: me & my (young) mom. She‘s roughly 21 or 22 years-old in this photo. 2mo
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August wrap up from StoryGraph, best one for me was Bear 🐻 (tagged).

Keeping up a good pace, I‘ve already met my reading goal for the year (oops). So I doubled it. Let‘s see if I can hit 52!

BarbaraBB Glad you loved Bear! 2mo
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#camplitsy24

Well, here it is….! Your final winning book of this year‘s camp is BEAR! 🐻

No huge surprise there, I don‘t think, but we did have some votes for The Alternatives too - Bear won by 27 votes to 6.

Look out for Barbara posting the final vote shortly… I‘m excited to see what we choose for our overall winner of #camplitsy24!

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Bookwormjillk Thank you so much for hosting! 3mo
TrishB Thank you 👍🏻 3mo
DebinHawaii Somehow, I missed the vote but it would have been for Bear. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Thanks again for hosting a great camp. Heading off to vote for my favorite. 3mo
Ruthiella No surprising at all. Thanks so much to you, @BarbaraBB and @Megabooks for doing all the work. It was fantastic! 3mo
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#ReadAway2024

Read for #CampLitsy24 I was caught up by the atmospheric San Juan Islands setting & this story (part allegory/fairytale about watching what you wish for) about 2 sisters with lots of baggage. The end was a punch & it‘s not a fun book but I enjoyed it & the discussions & I‘m sad camp is over. Thanks to our incredible counselors @squirrelbrain @Megabooks & @BarbaraBB for the camp fun & getting me to read books I might not normally.⬇️

DebinHawaii … It was also one of my #Roll100 picks for August #14 “Any #BOTM 3mo
squirrelbrain Great review! I‘m glad you enjoyed camp! 🏕️ 3mo
BarbaraBB So glad you enjoyed Camp again! We surely did read some unexpected books but that‘s what Camp is for, right?! 3mo
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Megabooks Fantastic review! So glad to have you at Camp this summer! 3mo
DieAReader 🥳Great 3mo
PuddleJumper Nicely done! 3mo
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An interesting read in light of the recent question, “would you rather meet a bear or a man in the woods?” In this story, neither. I was sad this book turned from magical to bleak for me, and sad that Sam couldn‘t escape her trauma. Glad to have carried this book with me for this optimal photo while on Mackinac Island 🧸
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Thanks so much to the hosts! It was a great summer at camp!

TheBookHippie Get.some.fudge. 3mo
Suet624 Great photo!! 3mo
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squirrelbrain Aw he‘s so cute! I‘d want to be friends with him! ❤️🐻 3mo
BarbaraBB Such a great photo! Thanks for participating in Camp! 🏕️ 3mo
TrishB Great pic! 3mo
Megabooks Love this pic! 3mo
RedxoHearts Love this one! He looks a little shocked 😆 3mo
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CBee
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Fantastic read. I loved it! Thanks @squirrelbrain @Megabooks and @BarbaraBB for another fun camp! I read 3 out of 6 and they were all great. #camplitsy24

Megabooks So glad you joined us and enjoyed it! Already looking forward to next summer! 3mo
squirrelbrain I‘m intrigued and can‘t remember - did you read one from each month? I wonder if your favourite will be in the final voting? 3mo
BarbaraBB Thanks for participating! I love your thoughts in our discussions ❤️ 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain I read James, Clear, and Bear 😊 3mo
CBee @BarbaraBB thank you ♥️ 3mo
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And our last question of #camplitsy24 for this year…. Let‘s talk about the ending of the book - what did you think?

Tomorrow we‘ll vote between Bear and The Alternatives and then Barbara will post shortly asking you for your #camplitsy24 favourite.

We hope you‘ve enjoyed August‘s books - thank you all for your valuable and insightful contributions! ❤️

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Bookwormjillk Thank you for hosting. I‘m sad camp is over but next summer will be here before we know it I‘m sure. I was dissatisfied with the ending. I wanted to know more about what happened with the mom and the boyfriend. I was happy Sam finally left even if it was without E. Bittersweet. 3mo
TrishB I expected that to happen to one of them, just wasn‘t sure which! I don‘t think Sam would have left on her own so needed the support of someone. A means to an end. Elena‘s boyfriend seemed like he wanted it to be a proper relationship- whether that would have survived the class divide 🤷‍♀️ 3mo
TrishB Thanks Helen, Barbara and Meg ❤️ another summer waving goodbye. 3mo
DGRachel The only thing that surprised me was Sam leaving with the guy from the ferry. I fully expected Elena to get eaten. How could she not, being so stupid around a wild animal. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I was glad Sam got out and I don‘t think she would have or emotionally could have with Elena alive. I don‘t think she was mentally strong enough. 3mo
DGRachel (I feel like I should have waited for @TrishB to post her comment as we were typing essentially the same thing at the same time. 😂) And yes, thank you all for a great summer camp. Almost all books I would never have picked up on my own and only one I just couldn‘t force myself through. I call that a personal success! 3mo
Kitta I agree with @TrishB and @DGRachel I don‘t think Sam would have left on her own. I thought the relationships with the two men were interesting, I think the sisters acted similarly. Both men seemed to want more from the sisters and Sam was dismissive, while Elena kept everything secret even from Sam. I expect their trauma prevented them from being able to be more invested, and Elena keeping the whole thing secret surprised me! They seemed detached. 3mo
Jess Thanks everyone for a fantastic summer! Even though I expected that someone would be attacked by the bear at some point during the book, I was surprised it was Elena and was surprised by the violence (her face?!). I really thought it was going to be Sam or the boyfriend and Elena was going to be confronted with actions. 3mo
Kitta Thanks to all our hosts! I really enjoyed Bear, and got out of my regular reading zone and tried things I wouldn‘t have otherwise! Even if I hated All Fours, we had a great discussion. I love camp, it‘s my favourite “book club” and really appreciate the work you guys put into it! See you all again next year!! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Jess the violence was so abrupt!! I had to go back and reread the paragraphs because that just happened?? 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Helen Barbara and Meg!! Thanks so much for hosting, I absolutely love the Camp so many books I would not have read and great discussions to make me really think about them. 3mo
sarahbarnes Echoing the thanks to you all for hosting a fabulous summer! The ending was so sad, but then it felt so inevitable. Both Sam and Elena seemed like they were on their own paths toward self-destruction at the end. Sam‘s actions led to this tragedy, but would it have eventually happened anyway? And then Sam ends up getting what she wants - to leave - but it feels so meaningless. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs Like others, I was fully expecting things to go bad with the bear, but I thought it would be Sam who got mauled. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs I wasn't crazy about the second half of this book. I'm still trying to put my finger on exactly why. I am usually okay with bleak, dark endings, but the whole second half was just a black hole for me. Maybe because I didn't see any growth or even growth potential from Sam? Elena's role in things was fairly clear - don't feed bears, or they will eat you. But Sam doesn't seem to grow up at all. It felt very “life sucks and people die“ 3mo
GatheringBooks Like the others, I fully expected Elena‘s death, but intrigued by everyone else‘s notions about either Sam or the bf getting mauled as a result of her actions, that would have been an unexpected twist of sorts. Agree with @TheKidUpstairs that it was truly a bleak ending. But I appreciated the sense of harsh reality it surfaced; it felt authentic to me. I prefer to see the ending as hopeful though tinged with grief and loss. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @DGRachel @TrishB I agree that Sam likely never would have left on her own, but I also didn't see any growth from her so I don't think she'll be able to find her own way. I think she'll push Ben away with the same stubborn “I don't need you“ attitude she's had all along, but then I see her failing on her own. Maybe it's because she reads so young to me, she seems like a teenager (which is understandable given her life thus far). I don't see hope. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs And a big thank you to you Helen, and to @BarbaraBB and @Megabooks for another great summer of #CampLitsy24 - I so appreciate all the work you guys put in. And to all the other campers - it's been such an enriching experience reading along side you all! 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @Jess I missed your comment when I posted mine - totally agree I thought it would be Sam who was attacked and then we'd get a last chapter from Elena's POV having to reckon with what she'd brought on. 3mo
DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs I completely agree about the odds of Sam continuing to be miserable. I think that lack of hope at the end is what made this so heavy and depressing for me. It‘s very much “life sucks, then your sister gets eaten by a bear, and then you die”. 3mo
TheBookHippie I figured if one got eaten by the bear it‘d be Elena. Sam actually knew to stay away from danger and avoided closeness as a protective measure whereas Elena was social and gave to everyone and took care of everyone. Her death freed Sam, and even freed herself. It‘s just not pretty or tidy. 3mo
TrishB @DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs I like to think that maybe she would have taken up some opportunities and spread her wings and lived life to the full 😁 doubt it, but you never know! 3mo
Ruthiella The end was shocking but not surprising once we have all the pieces put together. @TrishB @DGRachel @TheKidUpstairs Sam is definitely going to schlep her issues with her wherever she goes and now she‘s got the added trauma of losing her sister. I feel sorry for the boyfriend. Maybe she‘ll get help, but she isn‘t the kind to ask for it. 3mo
AmyG I had a gut feeling the bear would kill Elena. Elena always seemed to have her “shi*” together yet it was Sam, in this case, who was the wiser one. I love a good, crazy ending…so this was fun for me. 🤣 And….both girls “needed” men apparently…in spite of the experience with the stepfather. 3mo
squirrelbrain I too thought it might be Sam @TrishB @dgrachel @jess @thekidupstairs and Elena left to deal with the consequences. 3mo
AmyG And thank you organizers! What a great reading summer it‘s been. 3mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome @TrishB @jess @Kitta @ChaoticMissAdventures @sarahbarnes @TheKidUpstairs - it‘s the campers who truly make this such a fun, inspiring, insightful event for us! @BarbaraBB @megabooks 3mo
Megabooks Is it weird that I think they both found what they were looking for in a way? Sam found her ability to leave and strength, and Elena seems to have found a sense of wonder she lost in the day to day of caring for their mother. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, and I know Elena is attacked, and she maybe didn't realize the danger she was facing, but I come away with her feeling of wonder about nature and life. (con't) 3mo
Megabooks (con't) I'm sorry she had to die to find it, and I felt bad for the dude she left behind, but to feel the divine, the magical mysticism of the world -- whether in God or in nature if only for a bit -- would be amazing. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @Megabooks that's a really interesting thought about the sisters getting what they were looking for. It definitely plays into the fairy tale aspect - wishes fulfilled, but with far more dire consequences than the wisher is expecting. 3mo
Megabooks @TheKidUpstairs Agreed. If it's a fairy tale. It's definitely a dark one. 3mo
BarbaraBB Again I agree with @TheKidUpstairs that I doubt Sam will be able to find her way, as stubborn as she is. Also yes to @sarahbarnes, they are both so self-destructive. Bittersweet as @Bookwormjillk describes it. That says it all and I am a sucker for bittersweet endings 😀 (edited) 3mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks wow, that‘s a great take on the ending and maybe exactly what Julia Phillips meant. I felt sorry for the boyfriend but then again, we never noticed any form of attraction between them, maybe exactly why the book was only from Sam‘s pov. Food for thought! (edited) 3mo
Meshell1313 I was not shocked. The whole time I could see that someone was going to die- you can‘t think a wild bear is a friend! Still a very pessimistic ending about there being no hope and no way out of suffering. 3mo
Meshell1313 Can‘t believe camp is over! Thanks so much! I can‘t wait to see what the overall pick of the summer is! 3mo
Deblovestoread I knew it would end badly but didn‘t guess who. I want to believe that Sam left, matured and had a good life but starting out in a relationship you aren‘t invested in doesn‘t usually lead to that. If it had been Sam who died I don‘t think Elena would have allowed herself to have a good life either. Sorry to see the end of camp! Thank you for a great summer of books! @squirrelbrain @Megabooks @BarbaraBB 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @TrishB I like your optimism! 😂 I can see her getting there eventually, but I think she's got a long road to face. 3mo
DebinHawaii I wasn‘t sure who was going to suffer the most from the bear of the two but I suspected Elena given the book‘s POV from Sam. Still, the way that it ended with the bear killing her & going for her face was shocking. I was driving home from the airport last night listening to it & then had to listen again when I got home to make sure I heard it correctly. I don‘t hold out much home for a HE for Sam, like others (unless it‘s in her head but it) ⬇️ 3mo
GatheringBooks Thank you for the seamless organization of the discussions, and just organizing everything so wonderfully. What a great camp, indeed! 3mo
DebinHawaii … would be nice. Her immaturity & Ben really just being a means to an end of getting out to her, make me feel a little sorry (just a bit) for him. I liked this book, the setting & story kept me involved & while the ending was bleak, it fit. Thank you @squirrelbrain @Megabooks & @BarbaraBB for my 2nd wonderful Camp Litsy experience & everyone for the thought-provoking discussions. I love how it pushes me to read books I might not & think harder.🤗 (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain I can‘t wait either! @Meshell1313 - we‘ve read 6 great books! 3mo
squirrelbrain @DebinHawaii - it was certainly shocking that it was so explicitly violent. 😮 3mo
CarolynM I don‘t think I can add anything to what‘s already been said. Thanks Helen, Meg and Barbara for all your efforts with this year‘s camp 👏👏👏 3mo
Hooked_on_books I‘m with @GatheringBooks on this one. I was just waiting for Elena to get mauled by the bear from the moment I first saw her reaction to it. And the ending felt authentic and right. I found hope in it, not just darkness. Thanks for being our counselor this month, Helen! (edited) 3mo
CBee @Megabooks your comment isn‘t weird. I think it‘s what Elena wanted. Not that she necessarily wanted to die, but that she wanted this extreme escape from her day to day life. When Sam is imagining the bear as a prince and Elena as a princess, that resonated with me. And I do think it was a means to an end, for both of them. 3mo
Megabooks @CBee thank you for picking up what I was putting down. 💜 it‘s a really interesting story and way of telling it. Not what I expected after reading disappearing earth, but I appreciate it a lot more after this discussion. 3mo
JamieArc I wanted to give Sam a hug and send her right to therapy. I was so sad that the very thing she feared happened because of her. I was surprised at the mauling. My thought was that one of them would die by a gun. 3mo
CBee @Megabooks absolutely nothing like Disappearing Earth, except they‘re both so well written and powerful. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I wondered about the gun too @JamieArc - I thought someone would shoot at the bear, and someone else would get in the way. 🤷‍♀️ 3mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome @CarolynM @Hooked_on_books -it‘s been such fun! 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Sorry I missed camp yesterday—caught up now, such interesting comments! @Megabooks your take on the sisters getting what they wanted in the end was a new way to think about the book for me. Great thought! Thanks to the hosts for another great year at camp! 🏕️ 📚 3mo
squirrelbrain You‘re welcome! @Chelsea.Poole 3mo
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#camplitsy24

This part of the discussion is all about the 🐻.

We looked at fairy tale elements last week, but do you think that the bear is ‘just‘ a bear or is it an allegory for something else or a particular message to the reader?

Do you think the events surrounding the bear would have actually played out like this in real life? (note that we'll discuss that ending in Q3)

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Bookwormjillk I thought he was an allegory for the mom‘s bad boyfriend but the ending changed my mind. I was actually surprised when the bear turned out to be a bear. I thought it would end up being another abuser who the authorities weren‘t handling in a way that seemed appropriate to Sam. 3mo
TrishB I saw it as Elena‘s bit of freedom! One thing she was keeping totally to herself as a break from everything else. She obviously wasn‘t thinking straight ofc! But she had a lot on her shoulders. 3mo
DGRachel I‘m sure it was supposed to be a symbol for something, but I‘m not sure what. It shows how different the sisters view their world. For Elena, it was hope and magic, another positive experience that kept her anchored on their island. For Sam, it‘s one more reason to leave, one more reason to fear and hate the island. 3mo
Kitta I did some looking into bear symbolism and in indigenous cultures it can represent family or parenthood, strength, and courage. And they‘re known for human-like qualities. https://spiritsofthewestcoast.com/collections/the-bear-symbol https://artinas.com/collections/bear/charles-harper Which is interesting to think their encounters happen while their mother is dying. In other cultures it represents a connection to another realm. ⬇️ 3mo
Kitta Which makes this seem more fairytale-like (to me at least). So I think Elena interacting with the bear sort of represents her looking for care and connection. It‘s a magical experience for her and she doesn‘t recognize the danger because she‘s longing for something she‘s no longer getting at home. 3mo
Jess Elena‘s life has been hard (past abuse, current responsibilities). I saw the bear and her flirtation with death as making her feel alive. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Bookwormjillk oh I love the idea of it represented an abuser they were not getting help with. (Not love, b/c that would be awful for them but great storytelling) This never crossed my mind. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I live a few hours drive away from where this was set and I didn't realize until last year that we had bears here. You do not hear about them but my brother is an avid hunter (we are sooo different, I could never) and he got a bear hunting tag last year and I was flabbergasted which maybe set me up to believe in a bear on Shaw. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @ChaoticMissAdventures I feel like there are so many different animals everywhere now than when I was a kid. There just aren't as many wooded areas so then end up in the suburbs. I live just outside of DC and we've had bears one town over, and I think there was even one in DC itself not too long ago! 3mo
sarahbarnes I love all of these thoughts. It also felt like the bear represented something about the difference in the sisters. Elena accepted her fate and her place on the island and the bear was an element of magic for her in that. Sam feared anything or anyone coming in between her and Elena or their “plans” to leave and the bear represented something else she had to do away with. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs I appreciated the mentions of Grizzly Man, because yes I think IRL it would have played out like this. Elena may have felt a magical connection to the bear, but the bear felt like it had found a food source.
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TheKidUpstairs I do think there was some symbolism/metaphor playing out there. Something about not romanticizing a dangerous reality or it will come back and bite you in the face. Both sisters were guilty of that - Elena with the bear, Sam with her stubborn and juvenile ideas of their future. 3mo
GatheringBooks @Jess i love the phrase “flirtation with death” because that is precisely what it was, i felt. I also liked @TheKidUpstairs thoughts about Sam‘s “juvenile ideas of their future” which was also spot on. Perhaps the bear is an escape from life‘s drudgery and routine, but there is nothing romantic about “a dangerous reality” - unless it was an unwitting deathwish of sorts. 3mo
TheBookHippie @Jess Yes this. I think the bear made Elena feel. Both girls were suffering from childhood trauma and dealing differently. Elena felt emotion that was strong and just hers and was drawn like a moth to the flame. It‘s also of note most childhood trauma I have dealt with, myself included are hugely drawn to dark fairytales because it‘s closest to their lived reality. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, that didn‘t cross my mind either @Bookwormjillk @ChaoticMissAdventures - great idea! 3mo
squirrelbrain That‘s fascinating @Kitta and really makes me look at the books in a different light - I guess I‘m a bit too literal! (edited) 3mo
AmyG Yes to what @sarahbarnes said. With the appearance of the bear we saw the difference between the sisters. In Sam‘s mind they had a definitive plan to “freedom”. As in life, things don‘t always work out as planned. Here comes a bear which, in the end, resulted in Sam leaving the island…..her dream realized. (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain So many wonderful thoughts and ideas here of different allegories / metaphors / (dark) fairy tales - this is why I love #camplitsy so much - it‘s the accumulation of ideas from thoughtful campers that really makes this event so meaningful. @TrishB @Bookwormjillk @DGRachel @Kitta @jess @ChaoticMissAdventures @sarahbarnes @TheKidUpstairs @GatheringBooks @TheBookHippie 3mo
squirrelbrain @TheKidUpstairs @GatheringBooks - I guess Sam had never known any different, growing up so isolated as the younger sister and that‘s why she came across as juvenile. Maybe she was somehow like the bear, grumpy and lashing out and Elena‘s downfall was caring too strongly for her / the bear? 3mo
squirrelbrain @sarahbarnes @amyg - that kind of relates to my comment just prior to this. Sam needed to get rid of the bear in order to move on, but in doing so she unwittingly lost her sister too. So the bear comes between the sisters and is a catalyst in moving Sam on, but not in the way she expected or hoped for. (edited) 3mo
Megabooks @Kitta I love these points and your research! She was desperately seeking connection spiritually and on the island. I think knowing she would likely never live elsewhere she still wanted to connect with something greater. I think losing her mom also opened up new spiritual possibilities for her. 3mo
BarbaraBB Yes @jess that‘s what I thought too. The bear made Elena feel alive, gave her an opportunity to escape her harsh reality, flirting with death because why not? Nothing much to loose after the mother died and with her Elena‘s relevance (she didn‘t seem to care much for Sam, didn‘t tell her a thing about what went on in her mind). 3mo
Deblovestoread For Elena the bear broke up the drudge of the life she was living. Her fairytale was the magic of the relationship she was forming with the bear. Sam‘s fairytale was the big $ after selling the home and living the high life in a fancy hotel. Neither fairytale had a hope of coming true. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @Deblovestoread yes! Sam's ideas of what they would do with the money really brought home how out of touch her plan was. It wasn't just sell the house to have some money to start out on the mainland, it was sell the house and live like royalty! As much as 500K is, it's not enough to live the life of luxury she was imagining. It really drove home how naive she was. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes of course @Deblovestoread @TheKidUpstairs - I hadn‘t considered Sam‘s unreasonable expectations. I‘m now recalling the scene at the medical centre where she didn‘t have a clue about the bills for her mother‘s care. 3mo
CarolynM @Bookwormjillk I also thought the bear was going to turn out to be an abuser rather than a literal bear. Like @DGRachel I‘m not sure what it is intended to symbolise - maybe something to do with authority? Madeleine, and her relationship with Sam, seemed quite an odd to me and I wondered if it was supposed to be some kind of flip side to Elena‘s relationship with the bear. 3mo
Hooked_on_books When I read it, the bear was just a bear to me. But I can see how all these various takes about the bear‘s representations work as well. And as far as it playing out this way in reality, absolutely. From the word go when we saw Elena‘s response to the bear, I knew she was toast. 3mo
CBee The bear was Elena‘s escape. At first I thought it was a silly passing fancy, but then realized she really is starting to love this bear. And that wasn‘t strange to me at all, I suppose because I relate to Elena in a lot of ways I think? This grand animal looks at you and seems to fixate on you, and that just made her feel special. Important in a way she hadn‘t felt in a long time. Free. 3mo
JamieArc I agrée about the bear being Elena‘s escape. And in the end, I saw the bear as representing the ways we romanticize nature. But nature is as nature does. It made me think about the desert - it can be gorgeous, but it is to be respected, and is a dangerous place to be if not. 3mo
squirrelbrain I agree @CarolynM about Madeleine - that was where I was wondering if this was true to life. Would Madeleine really have behaved that way? I suppose we were seeing her behaviour from Sam‘s POV, but turning up at the memorial service was a bit weird. 3mo
squirrelbrain I agree @Hooked_on_books - so many interesting representations that could all work! 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, I can see that @CBee - that the bear made her feel special / chosen. It makes me wonder about the boyfriend though - why didn‘t he make her feel that way?! I thought maybe because she was keeping the boyfriend a secret, but she was hiding her meetings with the bear too, to some extent. 3mo
squirrelbrain @JamieArc - yes to the romanticising nature! We do it all the time, but it can turn on us in so many ways. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Elena looked at the bear as something to escape into and preoccupy herself with, even though it was ultimately her downfall. Sam (rightfully!) feared the bear, and maybe even resented it for taking Elena‘s attention away. The bear could be a symbol for many things in life, and may be specific to each individual reader. Great discussion! 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, it certainly seems like the bear meant so many things to different people @Chelsea.Poole 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain there is so much more to Elena that we really never discovered, but it seems like she was escaping however she could. She wanted those things just for herself. I think it was so difficult for her when Sam couldn‘t understand how magical the bear was to her. 3mo
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#camplitsy24

Well, here we are in our last week of camp! 😢 Time to think about rolling up your sleeping bag, and exchanging friendship bracelets before we leave.

But not before we have a few more questions about Bear.

A few of us touched on this one last week - we only saw Sam‘s perspective throughout the book. Did you wish you could have seen Elena‘s POV too- and how would it have differed?

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Bookwormjillk Yes, a totally different book but I‘m glad we saw Sam‘s POV. I think if we would have seen Elana‘s it would have shown Sam as a lazy, clingy child without understanding any of her motivations. (edited) 3mo
TrishB It would have been v interesting- I think knowing Elena‘s motivations would have been really revealing. 3mo
DGRachel It would have been totally different with Elena‘s POV. The conversation/fight about leaving vs. staying wouldn‘t have been such a surprise or nearly as heartbreaking. I hated being in Sam‘s head, but I‘m not sure I‘d have like the book at all if we had it from Elena‘s POV or even dual POVs. 3mo
Kitta I thought at the beginning it was going to switch perspectives and was surprised it didn‘t 🤷🏻‍♀️ I liked having Sam‘s POV though, I think it added tension when we didn‘t know Elena‘s motivations and logic, and what she was actually doing. I thought the structure was better this way. 3mo
Jess I kept having to remind myself how old these two were. Their actions and Sam‘s insights seemed so much younger. I would have liked to see the book from Elena‘s POV. Maybe I would have liked it more. 3mo
GatheringBooks @TrishB agreed. I thought the author‘s approach of not disclosing Elena‘s pov was clever. Not sure if this is what it is meant by an unreliable narrator (or maybe a missing narrator of sorts), but how tragic it was that the sisters, ostensibly close, seemed to be living very different lives with very diff sets of people around them, and diff motivations and dreams in life. I felt the sense of betrayal deeply from Jess‘ pov prompting readers to👇🏼 3mo
GatheringBooks (Cont) reflect on whether we truly know people at all - even the ones we believe we are most intimate with. 3mo
Susanita It seems like both sisters are locked in their “roles” and this can lead to a lot of resentment. As for the POV, I would have liked to know why Elena thought it was a good idea to bring roast beef to a bear! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @GatheringBooks I agree this is a great look at how we do not know people even when we are close to them. I also think it is a great way of looking at assumptions and miscommunication. Elena seems to think they have had one talk way before life development to reality and she has forgotten the idea of leaving. Reminding us we must revisit big topics. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures I thought viewing everything through Sam's POV was quite depressing. I found her whiny and annoying. In the end I can see her juvenile ideas come mostly from how sheltered Elena and Sam herself allowed her to become. 3mo
TheKidUpstairs Like others have said, it would have been a very different book with Elena's POV. I would have loved to know her thoughts with regards to the Bear, but at the same time I felt that one of the big themes of the book is the difference between Sam and Elena's perceptions, and I don't think Sam's realization that she had no idea what was happening in Elena's head would have been nearly as effective if we as readers had known. 3mo
sarahbarnes Agree with @GatheringBooks that this was a clever use of an unreliable narrator. I believed Sam‘s version of reality until I realized it was skewed. Agree with others here too that she was grating and infuriating in many ways - I wanted her to let Elena live her life and figure out how to live her own. But I know that trauma was preventing her from being about to do that. 3mo
Daisey I agree that it would have been very interesting to see Elena‘s point of view, but it also would have completely changed the book and how we experienced the differences and the impact of their lack of clear communication. 3mo
TheBookHippie I think it was an accurate picture of trauma. In order to survive Sam had to hang on to the words her sister said, in order to function. Having Elenas voice would have ruined the book. 3mo
Ruthiella I totally see why the author did it, but I found Sam so frustrating and I knew she was giving the reader a skewed view of reality. 3mo
squirrelbrain I initially thought I wanted to see Elena‘s POV too @trishb @kitta @jess @daisey and hadn‘t really thought about Sam fitting into the unreliable narrator trope @GatheringBooks @sarahbarnes but now I see everyone‘s comments I see that only seeing one POV, even if we didn‘t like her, is what made the book work. @DGRachel @ChaoticMissAdventures @TheKidUpstairs @TheBookHippie @Ruthiella (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain @Susanita - I thought that too - why on earth is she giving the bear a Sunday dinner?! Yorkshire puds too?! 3mo
AmyG I liked only Sam‘s POV and think this book would have been very different if we also had Elena‘s. I am always fascinated how 2 people in a household can have such different views of what is going on and how what one remembers one way could be remembered in a totally different way by the other. Sam felt so close to Elena but apparently didn‘t know so much about her. 3mo
Megabooks I guess I'm in the minority in saying I didn't like seeing it from Sam's perspective. I would've preferred dual POV first and then Elena's second. I think I didn't enjoy the book as much because it was from Sam's perspective possibly because I related to Elena more strongly, especially due to her relationship with their mom. @bookwormjillk I still saw Sam that way. 😬 😬 3mo
TheKidUpstairs @squirrelbrain @Susanita oh my gosh, the beef! Not only the stupidity of feeding a wild grizzly, but the waste! Considering their financial situation, it seems like it would be such a help to be able to bring food home from her job. 3mo
BarbaraBB I love this question and all answers. And until now I thought I‘d preferred both POV, like @megabooks says. But reading all comments I think what made the book so strong was that we didn‘t know what Elena thought. Like @TheKidUpstairs states, Sam had no idea what went on in Elena‘s head, we were shocked with her - I was. And @Jess I agree that Sam came over so young - and probably naive. 3mo
Meshell1313 @BarbaraBB yes I agree Sam‘s POV added to our shock about Elena- almost like Sam was an unreliable narrator! 3mo
Deblovestoread I might have enjoyed a dual pov but having Sam hold onto their plan of escape and watching it fall apart is what propelled the story. 3mo
DebinHawaii I feel like a lot of the group, while I really wanted to get inside of Elena‘s head, especially about the bear, I feel that only having Sam‘s perspective made the ending hit harder. 3mo
squirrelbrain It certainly did make the ending more of a surprise and more hard-hitting didn‘t it? @Deblovestoread @DebinHawaii It was the first time I felt any sympathy for Sam too, when she learned that they couldn‘t afford to leave. We wouldn‘t have had that ‘reveal‘ if we‘d have been in Elena‘s head too. 3mo
CarolynM I actually enjoy narratives that stick closely to a single point of view when something happens, or one of the other characters says something, that gives you a perspective shift, and makes you realise just how skewed the POV is. I felt quite sympathetic towards Sam. There was a lot Elena deliberately kept from her that prevented her from seeing how Elena‘s ideas had changed. 3mo
Hooked_on_books I agree with many that it would have been interesting to hear from Elena. But I‘m glad we didn‘t. The slow reveal of her interactions with the bear, her resentments over her place in the family, her relationship with the neighbor, were so much more impactful because of how we learned them. Like @TheBookHippie says, hearing from her would have ruined the book. 3mo
CBee Had to finish the book, phew! So I thought I wanted Elena‘s POV but then once I finished (and even as I got close to the end) realized that I didn‘t need it. The last part had me reeling and of course the ending was just, heartbreaking. 3mo
CBee @BarbaraBB I was shocked as well. 3mo
JamieArc @Susanita I agrée that the sisters were locked in their roles. It reminded me of The Alternatives in that way. I was disappointed to not see more growth in Sam, but could see how trauma kept her stuck. 3mo
JamieArc This story went from a bit magical to quite frustrating and depressing. I think if we had Elena‘s POV, the magic would have stayed a bit longer. 3mo
squirrelbrain I think that a few Littens wanted Elena‘s POV last week, when we were only halfway through the book, but changed their minds later on. @CarolynM @Hooked_on_books @CBee 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, they were definitely stuck in their roles weren‘t they? @JamieArc - so much like The Alternatives in that sense. 3mo
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Bookwormjillk
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I thought the beginning of this book was much stronger than the end. Still it must have had some effect on me because I finished around 10 tonight and went to pick up my son at a friend‘s. A big, beautiful fox crossed the road in front of me and just for a second I thought “He could be my friend.” Anyway looking forward to discussing this weekend @squirrelbrain @Megabooks @BarbaraBB

TheBookHippie I have a red fox that comes to my backyard. ♥️♥️♥️ I think it‘s my friend. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @TheBookHippie I‘ve never seen one this big. I thought it was a baby deer at first. The ones that come to my yard are smaller and have been known to get beaten up by neighborhood cats. 3mo
Megabooks Lovely review! A squirrel tried to make my dog Molly and I as friends. I was more interested than she was. @squirrelbrain (edited) 3mo
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TheBookHippie @Bookwormjillk ours are small as well. 3mo
squirrelbrain Great review! We have a lot of foxes around our neighbourhood (and badgers as well! 🦡) 3mo
squirrelbrain @Megabooks Does Molly not chase squirrels? Henry doesn‘t either, but his best friend Jess practically climbs trees to get to them! 3mo
Aimeesue I saw a fox tonight too! And a deer, who was very lucky that we didn‘t hit him. Stay out of the roads guys! 🦌 3mo
TheBookHippie @Aimeesue we had a whole family of deer in our yard last night! 3mo
LiteraryinPA 💗 3mo
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After a tough therapy session, my therapist asked me what I was going to do the rest of the day. She asked what 7-year-old Jamie would do. Some parts of me haven‘t changed. 7-year old Jamie would take a book to the woods. So that‘s what I did, and it was lovely.

Tamra Yay for you!! 🥰 3mo
JamieArc @Tamra 😊❤️ 3mo
LiteraryinPA 💗💗 3mo
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squirrelbrain ❤️❤️❤️ 3mo
BarbaraBB ❤️❤️ 3mo
AmyG You need to listen more to 7-year old Jamie. ❤️ 3mo
youneverarrived 🤍🤍 3mo
JamieArc @AmyG Yes, i do ❤️ 2mo
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Soubhiville
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I‘m glad #camplitsy chose this one. I loved Disappearing Earth, so I expected good things.

Julia Phillips really brings across her characters‘ emotions, the prevailing ones for me were dread and the claustrophobic feeling of being financially stuck or trapped. The relationships between the mother and daughters and sisters and the fact that you never truly know another‘s mind, all so real.

Soubhiville Photo features Igor in his cave-bed on top of my armoire. His favorite spot this summer. 3mo
AmyG I really enjoyed this, too. And Igor is too cute. 3mo
Leftcoastzen Awww! He has a great spot!😻 3mo
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BarbaraBB It feels very real indeed. Great review 3mo
squirrelbrain Great review! 🐻❤️ 3mo
Yenya1954 I‘ve added this to my stack 3mo
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kspenmoll
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I could never in my wildest dreams imagined the ending of this beautifully written novel. What a punch!
#Camplitsy24 #porchlife

At the end of my street 2 MS aged young ladies are selling lemonade & bracelets. Of course I supported them & bought 3 of their beaded bracelets.They gave me 3 stickers with my purchase! 🩵

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AmyG 🙌🏻❤️ 3mo
squirrelbrain ❤️❤️❤️ 3mo
dabbe 🩶🖤🩶 3mo
Megabooks Very cool!! 💜💜💜 3mo
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TheKidUpstairs
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I'm giving it a pick because I loved the first half, found it super engaging and I deeply cared for these girls. But the second half felt like falling into a bleak pit of despair. Beautifully, engagingly written, but where the sadness and melancholy in the first half is balanced with some hope and love, the second half turns out those lights.

I'm definitely looking forward to this weekend's #CampLitsy24 discussions!

Chelsea.Poole Well said! 3mo
squirrelbrain Great review! ❤️ 3mo
sarahbarnes Lovely review. 🩵 3mo
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Prairiegirl_reading
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I….. just didn‘t connect with this one. I don‘t even know what to say. The sense of impending doom was definitely not the vibe I‘m wanting right now. I don‘t know the story of Snow White and Rose Red which probably would have helped. #camplitsy24

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Chelsea.Poole
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A #camplitsy24 pick, Bear is a book about two sisters caring for their mother on an island in the Pacific Northwest. They are young adults and should be out enjoying themselves but are bound to their home due to isolating circumstances: caregiving, constantly working trying to make ends meet, all without help. Then, the titular character shows up! Bears don‘t live on their island. What does this mean for the sisters? Fine, but I had higher hopes.

TheKidUpstairs Great review. "Fine, but I had higher hopes" sums it up nicely. The first half was such a beautiful, nuanced set up, I honestly thought it might make a best of the year list, but the second half was just a solid block of depression, not nearly as beautiful or shaded. And in usually okay with sad books! It was just too much. Well written, but not as good as it could have been! 3mo
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This book. Just beautiful.
#Camplitsy24

Suet624 Such a great quote/encapsulation of the book. 3mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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Hiking today around Anacortes (the city you can see marked on the map as the mainland city) when Elena walks through the woods to work I picture something a bit less intense than this trail, but the same woody scenery.
#CampLitsy24

BarbaraBB I‘d be a bit scared a bear would cross my path 😀 3mo
Prairiegirl_reading That‘s beautiful!! 3mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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#CampLitsy24
Here is what the concession areas look like on the Ferries! They are typically in the center of the ship in a windowless room. I feel for Sam it is not a very cheery place to work.

BarbaraBB Thank you for sharing! Really appreciate that!! 3mo
Ruthiella Much bigger than I imagined! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Ruthiella totally, but I bet being stuck there many hours and days makes it claustrophobic. At least they get to go out on deck! 3mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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#CampLitsy24
The ferry! The first ferry I take is called the Kennewick and it can take 64 cars of people plus it also can hold a few dozen extra people who get on without a car
As Sam says in the book summer time is much busier and there are ferries running all day all around the San Juans.

BarbaraBB Another photo! Love this, thank you! ❤️ 3mo
kspenmoll Thanks! 3mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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#CampLitsy24 this book is set where I vacation often! I thought I would show people what the ferry life is like - as a user not a worker.
This year I am spending a week on Whidbey which is a different island then Sam's Shaw
Right now we are lined up waiting for the ferry, my reservation leaves in 2 hours so I park my car in the line up, and then I walk to a cute little town to get a coffee and something to eat while I read this book and wait!

Bookwormjillk I really want to visit there now but I know I will be very self conscious on the ferry 🤣 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Bookwormjillk I haven't gotten far enough in the book, but Sam seems particularly prickly! Which I do meet some prickly people on the ferry but most are amazing. Then again a lot of my energy goes to being sea sick 😂 3mo
bookandbedandtea My husband is from Port Townsend so we've taken the ferry to Whidby a few times on trips to PT. Your photo brings back memories and makes me want to read this book. 3mo
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TheBookHippie We ferry across Lake Michigan to Wisconsin this way - I get 🤮🤢🤮 so no idea about much of the people! I concentrate on surviving it! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @bookandbedandtea that is where I catch my first ferry!! You should read this, it is a bit sad, the main characters have a rough go of it, but if you are familiar with the area it really sets the place well. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @TheBookHippie right??? I don't ask for anything from anyone but to leave me alone so I can concentrate on not 🤢. Though I guess that means I am not tipping anyone. 3mo
KadaGul I live halfway between WI and MI. No ferry ⛴️ only road 🚘trips 🛣️#RoadTrips 3mo
Meshell1313 Oh that‘s awesome!!! Gives you such a unique perspective! 3mo
BarbaraBB This adds so much to the book. I‘ve been wondering what it looks like I‘d love to go there too some day. 3mo
marleed What a great post! 3mo
kspenmoll Thanks so much! Lucky you! 3mo
Amiable I was just on the Kingston - Edmonds ferry two weekends ago! We were visiting my in-laws who have property on the Olympic Peninsula, not far from the Hood Canal. It‘s gorgeous out there! 3mo
Amiable @bookandbedandtea Love Port Townsend! My in-laws have a place in Port Ludlow and we often drive up to PT when we are out there. 3mo
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kspenmoll
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Good morning. Still raining here. Enjoying my coffee & started this book- behind on #Camplitsy24 read. #whereareyouMonday. I am on the ferry in the Dan Juan Islands.
Where are you? @TheBookHippie @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @Lynnsoprano

Suet624 I think you‘ll like this book! 3mo
Lynnsoprano Oh, I‘ve been on that ferry! Have fun! I‘m at home in South Florida 3mo
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Kitta
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Really liked this #CampLitsy24 pick! The descriptions of the island and ferry were beautiful in a sad kind of way; the sisters‘ trauma and poverty is palpable.

Not much happens in their lives until the bear comes to the island, you could feel the monotony of their day to day, trying to get by. The sisters respond differently to the bear and their world changes.

Thought provoking - I‘d recommend this one to fans of literary fiction.

AmyG I liked this one, too. 3mo
squirrelbrain Great review! 🐻 3mo
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marleed
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Since I currently have a life allowing me to rapidly consume books I‘m accustomed to not letting ubiquitous tropes negatively impact that experience. But every few books I find myself inside a story that follows its own format and my mind just lets go to unchartered paths. I had no idea how this book with two sisters and a grizzly bear would middle or end - and I liked it. …It does remind me The Revenent sits patiently unread on my shelves.

BarbaraBB You should tune in for the #CampLitsy24 discussion Saturday of the second half of Bear! It adds a lot to the reading experience. Check out @squirrelbrain feed for the discussion of the first half if you like! 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, please do join in! 🐻 3mo
marleed @squirrelbrain @BarbaraBB Oh I will! I was so exited last night when I realized I was reading what #CampLitsy24 was currently discussing! I stayed in between an extra 45 minutes just to read and consider the comments in the posts! 3mo
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Suet624 Love this review. So accurate as far as the reading experience is concerned. 3mo
marleed @Suet624 Sometimes I read and all of a sudden this old episode (and completely unrelated) of LA Law comes barreling out of the deep resources of my mind… The one were a secondary character with piles of screen time kisses her bf goodbye, steps onto the elevator, and plunges to her death. 👀 That‘s when I come back to the current story and have to admit, well, I didn‘t see that coming🤣 3mo
Suet624 Haha. Wow, LA Law … that‘s a flash from the past! 3mo
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DGRachel
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Bookly says it took me just under 4 hours to read this. I want those 4 hours back. I want the sadness and misery of this book to be wiped from my memory. I don‘t even know how to rate it. I would never recommend it to another living souls, but it‘s well written. It does all the things a book is supposed to do, so I can‘t pan it. I just wish it hadn‘t done any of those things. #camplitsy24

squirrelbrain Oh dear, I‘m sorry it had such an effect on you. 😞 3mo
dabbe Wowza. 🩵😔🩵 3mo
rubyslippersreads I had a feeling from the excerpt posted here by other Littens that this would not be for me, so I‘m glad to have this warning. 3mo
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DGRachel @rubyslippersreads I just found it so depressing. I haven‘t been able to pick up anything else since I finished it. 😮‍💨 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Oh no! I am about 60 pages in and it does deal with many heavy topics, sorry it was so hard for you, I hope you can get into something lighter soon! 3mo
BarbaraBB I am sorry it was so hard for you. I hope you‘ll find some comforting and soothing read soon 💚🍀 3mo
Megabooks Wow. I‘m sorry it was such a hard read for you. I am really glad we have your insights at camp, though. 3mo
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‘They made magic. They were the girls at the center of a fairy tale, and they, along with their mother, would live in such bliss all their days‘

It‘s often said that this book is a fairy-tale retelling. Did you see that in this first half of the book? What elements from fairy tales were included?

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Kitta If it‘s a fairy-tale it‘s certainly a Grimm brother‘s one. It‘s not a happily ever after type so far. I don‘t know the ending but it‘s kind of scary and magical for them to be so close to the bear. There are many bears in the brothers Grimm, goldilocks, bearskin, the wren and the bear, and snow white and red rose (quoted at the beginning). It mirrors the last one the most obvi, where instead of being fearsome, the bear is a friend to the girls. 3mo
Kitta Fairytales usually have a moral and I wonder what this one will be? 3mo
TheBookHippie The mother being evil or dying is definitely a fairytale troupe. But definitely being affected by a mother is in fairytales. The bear in Red Rose & Snow White is a man who turned into a bear from a curse and he keeps them safe in the end. Not sure what that means for this story. It‘s more like disassociation to me as opposed to a fairy tale. So much trauma to unpack in these girls. 3mo
Bookwormjillk It seems semi fairy tale so far, at least for E. She‘s in this caregiving rut and finally something different and magical happens. On the other hand Sam doesn‘t see the magic at all. She seems to want to shoot the bear and move on to the next problem. 3mo
Susanita This reminds me a little of ET as well with the woman from the state agency looking into the situation with the bear. 3mo
TrishB Interesting question! The Bear definitely adds a fantastical/fairy tale element. Also a distraction- from the day to day grind of their life. 3mo
AmyG The appearance of the bear makes this a bit fairytale like. I didn‘t see it like that. I saw the bear as a distraction from their dull, difficult life. Nothing special has ever happened to them. And I find it interesting how each sister reacts to the bear….one sees it as magical, one dangerous. Shows the difference in their personalities. (edited) 3mo
CBee I didn‘t even recognize the fairy tale elements but I see it now! I guess I‘m just like, oh cool - a bear! 😂😂 3mo
AmyG @Cbee Ha….same. We have bears by us so…no big deal. Bears are squirrels for humans! 3mo
JenReadsAlot @TrishB I really agree with what you said! 3mo
TrishB @AmyG squirrels we have- bears not so much! 3mo
TrishB @JenReadsAlot I‘m distracted by peoples dogs- a bear would be amazing! 3mo
Soubhiville I feel the fairy tale with Elena‘s being drawn to the bear. She is definitely seeking some kind of magic from it. @TrishB put it well, that their lives are so routine the bear offers a change, though both girls feel differently about what it portends. 3mo
CBee @AmyG no bears here, but recently we‘ve had a very pretty hawk visit our yard! And I just stand there wowing 😂😮 3mo
sarahbarnes This is an interesting take on it! I like the fact that it‘s a bear - an animal often feared by humans - and that it appears so abruptly in their lives. It disrupts their focus on all the other burdens they‘re carrying. And they react differently to that in keeping with their personalities. It feels there‘s a bit of magic in it. 3mo
DGRachel Like @AmyG and @CBee I didn‘t/don‘t see the fairytale retelling. Maybe it gets more so in the second half? It‘s definitely a distraction from the grind, like @TrishB said, at least for Elena. The wildest I‘ve gotten to see in North Carolina are deer everywhere I‘ve lived in this state. I hear about coyotes, and I saw wild turkeys when I lived in the mountains. I think I‘d have a heart attack if I encountered a bear. 3mo
Ruthiella @TheBookHippie I agree with your take, that each sister is detaching from reality in their own way when faced with the bear. We might get into this in next week‘s discussion but I do wish the reader were not 100% in Sam‘s mind all the time. 3mo
GatheringBooks @Kitta yes to the Grimm fairy tale version (definitely not the sanitized disney one). Like Sam, I am appalled and profoundly disturbed by Elena‘s seemingly-surreal way of interacting with the bear. It did remind me of Red Rose and Snow White like what @TheBookHippie noted - except that it is clearly real life and the danger elements are plain to see - except for Elena who seemed positively enchanted - maybe an escape from drudgery as @TrishB noted 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @AmyG I like how you put this, how they react to the bear showing the differences in their personalities. @CBee the bear being the main character here! It is so interesting that Sam is like whales are cool we see them everyday, but a Bear, that is wild! It definatly sets the scene of the islands. I live a few hours away from here, and I will say if I saw a bear it would stop me in my tracks. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Kitta I think comparing it to Grimm's is great, that enveloping of darkness in the story. I do wonder what the moral is we are supposed to be seeing. @TheBookHippie is the mother getting sick supposed to be due to her moral failings? Two daughters out of wedlock, moving in an abusive BF for a time? That seems harsh, but maybe plausable. Though it is just giving the girls more trauma. 3mo
TheBookHippie @ChaoticMissAdventures I don‘t consider that a moral failing(children outside of marriage) so I didn‘t even think of it. I meant in fairytales mom or step mom is usually involved as dying or being mean. Not sure what this book is trying to portray, if anything. (edited) 3mo
TheBookHippie @ChaoticMissAdventures as far as the abusive partner the minute he laid a hand on the girls he should have been gone, let alone her. 3mo
squirrelbrain @AmyG - you‘re so blasé about bears! ? 3mo
squirrelbrain @Kitta I thought of Goldilocks but I don‘t know the red / white tale and haven‘t looked it up yet to see what happens! 3mo
squirrelbrain @TrishB @AmyG @sarahbarnes - yes, the bear is a huge distraction from their humdrum lives. I expected each sister to react in the opposite way though. I thought Elena was the ‘sensible‘ one who would be frightened of the bear. (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain @ruthiella - we may well get into that next week! 😉 3mo
Megabooks @Kitta That's a good point about a moral. I do wonder what it will be! 3mo
Megabooks @sarahbarnes Agree that there's magic in the disruption. It pulls them out of this survival mode that others mentioned in Q1 and puts them into a very different place mentally. 3mo
Meshell1313 @Kitta 🤣🤣🤣 3mo
Meshell1313 I keep thinking of Streetcar, “I don‘t want realism, I want magic.” It‘s a form of escapism from tragedy. 3mo
AmyG @sarahbarnes Yes, there is a magical element to it in that the Bear “finds” them. I got the feeling reading this book that this family blends into their surroundings…noticed by no one. And Elena sees the glass half full, Sam half empty. @squirrelbrain I, too, would have thought the opposite. 3mo
Kitta @AmyG lots of bears where I grew up too! I‘m Canadian and we‘d have them come to our campsites when we were in the provincial park. Someone asked me once what to do if you see a bear and I said “you raise your canoe paddle above your head and scream” and she was confused as to why Canadians always have canoe paddles 😂 I think she thought I meant downtown not on the lake. My bad. I‘ve started a weird Canadian stereotype. 3mo
BarbaraBB I am with @DGRachel @AmyG and @CBee because I thought it might be not so exceptional having them in that area. But honestly, I accepted it without giving it much thought. I love your take on it however @TrishB 3mo
CBee @Ruthiella I agree, I wouldn‘t mind multiple POVs! 3mo
CBee @Meshell1313 wow, perfect quote 👏🏻👏🏻 3mo
AmyG @Kitta HA! 3mo
TheBookHippie @squirrelbrain I didn‘t think much of it either. We have Bears here. Some even roam playgrounds so we stay inside at recess. @AmyG 3mo
Hooked_on_books The fairy tale angle wasn‘t my take on it while reading, but I do see where people would get that. I‘ve lived in various rural areas since 2010 and wildlife is just a fact of life, even if specific wildlife is less common. At my house on the Oregon coast, there was a mountain lion spotted over several days less than a mile from me (I never saw it). So I think that‘s why I wouldn‘t have seen it as fairy tale. 3mo
peaKnit Agree with Grimm fairy tale at best, so dark and sad. I don‘t understand why Elena is so drawn to the bear except that it is something interesting in her mundane day to day. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes, @peaKnit - I don‘t understand that either - I would have expected Elena, of the two, to be more frightened of the bear. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole @Ruthiella @CBee I also was hoping to get some other perspective, besides through only Sam‘s eyes. How does Elena really feel? 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Definitely felt some fairytale vibes from the bear. I didn‘t so much connect it with a specific story or retelling, just elements of fairytales. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Chelsea.Poole @CBee @Ruthiella - save those thoughts until next week! 😉 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain ooooo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 3mo
DebinHawaii I don‘t think I‘d have connected to the fairy tale vibe without the prologue. @AmyG No bears or squirrels here! 😉 But a mongoose ran over my foot once at Walgreens! 🤣 3mo
AmyG @DebinHawaii Wow! 😮 3mo
squirrelbrain I wasn‘t even sure what a mongoose looked like @DebinHawaii - had to look it up! 🤣 3mo
BarbaraJean If it weren‘t for reading reviews calling it a fairy tale retelling, I wouldn‘t have thought so! The bear, the forest, the sisters, the mother who is dying: all sounds like a fairy-tale setup, but the rest is so grounded in reality. Even the grimmest (Grimm!) fairy tales have a fantastical feel, and this felt too real.

@squirrelbrain @AmyG I felt the same about the sisters‘ different reactions to the bear. I‘d have thought it would be reversed. ⬇
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BarbaraJean (Cont'd) That reversal felt like a clue to what might be going on under the surface, that we haven‘t gotten at just yet.

@Ruthiella @CBee @Chelsea.Poole As much as I wanted another perspective, I thought it was fascinating that the author kept us so closely within Sam‘s POV. It really allows such tight control of what the reader knows. We don‘t know anything that‘s going through Elena‘s head, except what we get filtered through Sam‘s POV.
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#camplitsy24

Elena and Sam caring for their mother is a central part of the book - how has this impacted on their relationships with each other and with the wider community?

How do their caring roles differ? Who do you have the most sympathy for?

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Kitta I think it further drives their isolation and is making their poverty worse - paying for medications and hospital bills. It interrupts their dreams of living a new life and puts that on hold. There‘s kind of a stasis or pause in their lives, waiting for her to pass. I think Elena is forced to be the responsible one, she gets no breaks from the care and does nights. Sam seems to begrudgingly do things. Their attitudes differ. 3mo
TheBookHippie Sam seems most affected by traumatic events and is more isolated at face value but Elena has such a huge burden .. I feel bad for both as they are both trapped and neither is actual safe or allowed to have their own life. 3mo
TheBookHippie Caring for their mother seems a bit cruel in this situation. Not that there is a choice. Money is the way out, they have none. I think their feelings are complicated about their mom and the don‘t deal with that. 3mo
Susanita It‘s such a difficult place for them. Whether they admit it or not, they‘re waiting for her to die. She‘s at peace with it, but the sisters will be devastated. 3mo
Bookwormjillk They‘ve isolated themselves so they can care for their mother. They both have their own way of doing it, but I think they‘re both trying their best. 3mo
TrishB It‘s a horrible situation isn‘t it- no money to get more help. All your money going on just trying to keep things together. The elder/younger sibling thing plays true- one in charge and one letting the elder one do everything. At this point it is like they have no other support. 3mo
AmyG You all beat me too it. Especially what @Trish said. The elder one takes charge, as usually is the way. Biggest for me is lack of resources and support. When you live in a rural area that is a huge problem. They are just working to pay bills and take care of their Mom. 3mo
CBee @TheBookHippie agree that Sam seems frozen in time - staying at arm‘s length of others, not wanting any other close relationships. Elena is interesting - she is obviously craving more out of life, missing something. Hence her relationship with the bear 🐻 3mo
Soubhiville I agree with everyone. As @Susanita said I think they are in a holding pattern trying to just get by until their mom passes. No one can move on until that happens. Elena seems more patient and resigned and accepting, while Sam seems resentful, even though she clearly loves their mom and dreads her going just as much as her sister does. 3mo
DGRachel I don‘t think I have anything to add to what‘s already been said. Caregiving is hard. To do so without community or funds is a nearly insurmountable burden. As @Susanita said, they are waiting for her to die. I think they know that, and they both are conflicted about the feelings that brings up. It‘s interesting to see how differently they cope. 3mo
sarahbarnes Agree with what everyone has said here. It only adds to their isolation, financially and socially. And it creates an interesting dynamic between the sisters, too, as they each play their role in the family around their mom. 3mo
GatheringBooks I love that we have another sisters-dynamics going on in this story, immediately after The Alternatives. Unlike the previous book, we get the privilege of actually living in Sam‘s head - & it isn‘t very pleasant. Clearly, Sam worships Elena at the same time that she depends on her to the point of taking for granted everything Elena does. I can relate with the caring for an ailing mother with my 88 yo mother with dementia now living with us 👇🏼 3mo
GatheringBooks (Cont) except for the fact that we are able to have full time care for her - the outsourcing of the intricacies of care has done loads for my mental health - but i also recognize that not everyone has that privilege. And it does take its toll, and it is evident in how Elena and Sam seemed to have made their lives smaller and more insular as a way of coping, as they wait for the inevitable - the worsening of their mother‘s condition. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @TheBookHippie I am not too far in (only about 70 pages) but I agree they are not dealing with the complicated feelsing around their mom. Elena is throwing herself into caring, and balancing everything as best she can while Sam is withdrawing. It sounds like even when she is not working she is not getting up with her mother in the night, letting Elena do it instead because she is just unable to. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @TrishB @Bookwormjillk @CBee @TheBookHippie I am curious about this idea that they have no close relationships. It seems like others have offered to help, there was that guy walking the dog that Sam interacted with who seemed to genuinly be offering her help, but she was revolted by his offer and seemed untrusting of him, do you think they have a role in isolating themselves by not accepting help? 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @GatheringBooks so sorry to hear about your mom, My ex-mother in law is in the same position, even with the resources it is a hard position to be in. Thiking about if we didn't have those resources and no community to rely on for help, it does seem their position is insurmountable, the only options is Elena taking it a moment at a time dealing with everything, and Sam withdrawing. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @ChaoticMissAdventures I think something must have happened that we don‘t know about yet that makes them not want to take the time to depend on anyone on the island. Like they‘ve decided it‘s not worth it. 3mo
TheBookHippie @ChaoticMissAdventures I think they are in survival mode and trust no one to help. They asked before, no one helped and things got worse. Which is fairly normal. They are protecting themselves. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Susanita - yes, that‘s what they are doing, awful as it is. 3mo
squirrelbrain @TrishB @AmyG @sarahbarnes @GatheringBooks - I agree Myra, so interesting to see similar family dynamics played out between sisters. 3mo
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures - yes, I thought about him too - he was a local, I think, but she seemed really resentful of him. I wonder why, maybe because he has money? 3mo
squirrelbrain @TheBookHippie @bookwormjillk - I wonder what is complicating their feelings towards their Mom (other than all the obvious stuff)? Is it the same thing that isolates them from the whole community? (edited) 3mo
TheBookHippie @squirrelbrain Her decisions for her life and the no choice in the matter for theirs is continuing into adulthood, which is easy to do to childhood trauma children. They may not know why, but having no choice and no safe place creates huge isolation. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @squirrelbrain @thebookhippie I think we will get more later, but it seems like maybe growing up with these people in the area, most of them had money and maybe looked down and were mean to the girls growing up? That might make them resistant to accept any type of help from them as adults. But it will be interesting to see if more comes about the past. for sure CPS didn't help when they were called, and then the teachers just sort of moved on. 3mo
TheBookHippie @ChaoticMissAdventures I think once the adults didn‘t help, the rest reinforced that they don‘t matter. 3mo
Megabooks @Susanita 100% agree with this. It is a very rough place to be. @soubhiville I am in this place now with my parents, and at times, I feel like both Elena and Sam. Both reactions are equally valid and believable to me. @DGrachel Even with funds for some help (we have an aide a few hours a day), it is still difficult. I couldn't imagine how hard it is to do that without the additional help and money I have. 3mo
Megabooks @GatheringBooks I'm sorry you're going through that. I am, too. We have aides for part of each day, but when they are not here, the bulk of care falls to me. Because they are paid for through Dad's long-term care insurance, they can't help Mom at all, so any caregiving tasks for her, fall to me anyway. It is difficult and exhausting. (Both my parents are physically disabled, but Dad is only just starting to show some signs of dementia.) 3mo
Megabooks While I found this part of the book interesting, I tried not to think about it too deeply or get very emotionally involved in this part of the story. Books are my escape from caring for my elderly parents, so reading about it a book overwhelms me a bit. 3mo
BarbaraBB @ChaoticMissAdventures I‘ve been thinking of that neighbor too, but they seem too proud to accept help - at least Sam is. 3mo
BarbaraBB @TheBookHippie you‘ve said it so well. They‘re trapped. The bear seems a way out somehow @CBee I agree! 3mo
squirrelbrain @ChaoticMissAdventures @thebookhippie - yes, it feels like once they didn‘t get help when they needed it, they felt unwanted. 3mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks This must have been rough for you to read and probably the last subject you wanted to read about. It felt very real, the way Julia Phillips describes the caretaking. 3mo
Hooked_on_books The one thing I‘ll add to the excellent commentary here is the period of time in Sam and Elena‘s lives in which this is happening. They are both at the stage where they should be spreading their wings and exploring their places in the world, but instead they are anchored in place by their mother‘s needs and dragged downward by the caregiving and financial difficulties. I think if they were older it would be less poignant. 3mo
peaKnit I don‘t have much to add except to agree with many opinions so far. Sam seems more angry while Elena more resigned. It seems the both have pulled inward and cut off any potential support. 3mo
squirrelbrain So true @Hooked_on_books - they should be making their own lives and the island must really feel like a trap that they are stuck in. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole @Hooked_on_books yes!! I kept thinking about how they should be rebelling, going to parties, dating, exploring the world, etc. instead they are caring for their mother who‘s young herself. Seems like their lack of resources has made the decision for them: caring for their mom is the only option. No doubt it‘s hard at any age but especially at their young age. 3mo
DebinHawaii Everything has already been so well said. I just finished listening to the first half of book yesterday so I am a bit behind. Caregiving is so difficult for everyone involved but without the financial ability to have some respite in there or any support from outside, it‘s a terrible situation. I feel for both sisters but especially Elena as she has most of the burden. 3mo
BarbaraJean So many have already articulated my same thoughts! The struggle over finances & caring for their mother was difficult to read—I have a hard time reading about situations where there seems to be no way out. A bit of injustice fatigue! I also really resonated with @Hooked_on_books comment on the stage of life that Elena and Sam are in—dealing with these types of problems before they're able to explore or establish their own place in the world. ⬇ 3mo
BarbaraJean Initially, I sympathized most with Elena. Sam was frustrating—just marking time, fantasizing about when she can leave. Her job situation wasn‘t entirely under her control & that struggle is real, so I sympathized with her, but she seemed so lost & avoidance was her only strategy. It bothered me that she let Elena take on larger financial & practical burdens, as well as more of their mother‘s care. (But my sympathies shifted as the book went on!) 3mo
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Welcome to our final book of #camplitsy24! But watch out, there‘s a 🐻 in camp!

As ever, if you‘ve read to the end please don‘t include any comments that may spoil it for others.

The book has a real sense of place on San Juan island in the Pacific Northwest - how did this influence the storyline and the sisters themselves?

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Kitta I think it really sets the scene, mirroring how isolated they are from being able to get help for their mother. The sisters are really close and don‘t have any friends, as if they‘re an island unto themselves socially. I really like the descriptions, I have family on Victoria Island, and would love to visit one day. It‘s interesting to think about the island in Clear as well and compare. It‘s a hard life. 3mo
TheBookHippie I think they are both in survival mode and one seems to be frozen in from trauma and the other is seemingly “eldest daughter do it all” but has no choice, and is bitter perhaps. 3mo
Susanita The isolation contributes to the sisters‘ sense that they have to do everything themselves and only depend on each other. It‘s such a contrast with the lives of the people who ride the ferry to the mainland. 3mo
Bookwormjillk @TheBookHippie I think hit it on the head with survival mode, and the island only adds to it with the logistical challenges of getting to appointments and so on. Edited to add but it also sounds beautiful and now I want to go but hopefully I won‘t be annoying. (edited) 3mo
TrishB Agree that it‘s the isolation and obviously the family situation that has led to the increasing poverty situation. There probably aren‘t a lot of job choices. 3mo
AmyG I agree with you all….the isolation. It seemed like the 3 of them…no friends, family or help with their Mom. . I also felt the job choices were slim due to the smallness of the island. So they did the best with what they had in hopes to leave one day. 3mo
CBee @Kitta I agree with your comment, especially “as if they‘re an island unto themselves socially.” They live on the island, but don‘t really participate in it, if that makes sense. The three of them are their own little island and I admit I‘m curious how they‘ve never had friends, other family…. Maybe we‘ll find out. Great read so far! 3mo
Soubhiville @TheBookHippie worded it well with Survival Mode, and I think you‘re right @TrishB that options are probably very limited job wise, as in a lot of small towns/ communities. When you don‘t quite make enough money to catch up to your expenses, every tiny surprise expense is a heavy blow. It‘s scary being in that financial situation. It‘s like they are both on the physical island and a metaphoric one with their personal lives. 3mo
Soubhiville @CBee I agree I wonder why they are socially isolated? 3mo
DGRachel I‘ve found this extremely sad so far. @Kitta I agree about the girls being an island unto themselves. I hadn‘t put that connection into words in my brain, but the island mirrors that. @TheBookHippie survival mode is the perfect description. It‘s so much more than the island, though, that contributes. This seems to be a family that just can‘t catch a break. Their neighbors seem financially sound, so it‘s a series of hard #life events. 3mo
JenReadsAlot Very isolating for them. 3mo
TrishB @Soubhiville I think a lot of poor people are socially isolated- either by themselves because they can‘t join in or by others for the same reason. Poverty is very isolating and as you say- every extra expense is a body blow. 3mo
TrishB @DGRachel it is very sad. 3mo
CBee @Soubhiville I‘m hoping we‘ll get more insight. But I agree with others that poverty in itself can isolate… 3mo
sarahbarnes Yes to the sense of and the true isolation they experience there. Agree with @TrishB that people living in poverty are socially isolated for the reasons you articulated. It also feels like such an isolating community to begin with - small and literally on an island, and many people who are there don‘t live there. 3mo
DGRachel They are isolated by the fact that growing up, the girls were failed by everyone who should have protected them - their mother, the abusive boyfriend, teachers, family services - every adult with power and responsibility failed them. That kind of trauma leaves emotional scars, in addition to any physical scars, and can make finding a healthy way out nearly impossible unless that trauma is processed. 3mo
GatheringBooks @DGRachel i did sense that deep-seated trauma coming through and the distrust of authority, and the brewing resentment. Loved @Kitta‘s island unto themselves comment. It does feel that way, along with the social class divide that seems so stark in the face of the tourists they serve on a daily basis. Our college kid studies in Seattle so I could picture the island and Pacific Northwest vibe quite keenly. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Kitta interesting to compare it to Clear, they seem so different, where you have islands, and one solo inhabitant living in peace with the animals (though domesticated) and not wanting to leave, where in Bear (both one word titles!) you have a wild animal that the girls are not living in peace with (through their own terror) and they are wanting to flee the island. Different but both dealing so much with isolation and the idea of belonging. 3mo
squirrelbrain It‘s interesting @kitta @amyg @cbee that they don‘t appear to have any other support outside of their tiny family unit - no friends or family around them. (edited) 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Soubhiville I like this idead of being both physically and metaphorically on an island. We have read these stories before, poor people being on an island of their own due to their financial circumstances, but I like how Phillips puts them on a literal island with a small amount of people they have known all their lives and they are still even more isolated and alone in their circumstances. 3mo
squirrelbrain @TrishB @Soubhiville @sarahbarnes - here in the UK some of the most deprived towns are in coastal holiday spots, where people visit for holidays but don‘t stay in the winter months. Locals who stay there have to work in low-paid jobs that no-one else will do but are priced out of owning homes or even renting. 3mo
squirrelbrain Yes @ChaoticMissAdventures - such a contrast to Clear, despite the initial similarities! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @DGRachel I agree with your trauma assessment, how they have been failed over and over, and it is so hard to process and move on, and then add to that an ill mother that they feel obligated to care for, even though they cannot in most ways handle that responsibliity they are still living the trauma. 3mo
squirrelbrain @TheBookHippie - they both seem frozen somehow, in the roles that they have adopted - older / younger sister. 3mo
Kitta @ChaoticMissAdventures I was thinking of the social isolation between both books rather than wanting to be on the island or not, and the animals. I expected this to be more like the Alternatives given the subject matter (sisters, someone ailing, somewhere isolated) and was surprised to find it was totally different! I like the descriptions of the islands in Bear and Clear. I see a lot of similarities between island life in both. Toiling away. 3mo
squirrelbrain @GatheringBooks @DGRachel - I felt more resentment from Sam, did you? I thought that Elena was more resigned to it all. 3mo
Kitta @squirrelbrain I agree, about the resentment. I wonder (as an older sibling who feels this) if Elena felt like she had to hold it together and resentment doesn‘t change anything. If she‘s feeling forced to act like a parent here. 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @squirrelbrain this also reminds me of Hawaii. Most of the local indiginous population have been priced out of the high cost of living/housing while tourists float in and out. I am going up near where Bear is set on Monday, and will take some picutures and share! It is gorgeous, though we do have to keep in mind this issue with the locals. 3mo
DGRachel @squirrelbrain Sam‘s resentment is definitely more overt, but I wonder if that‘s because we really only get her perspective. She counts on her sister to be the adult in the room, and seems to miss some of the deeper suffering that Elena must feel. 3mo
Megabooks Living in a house with and caring for my two disabled parents I will note it is *incredibly* isolating even in a town where the three of us have lived and made friends over the past 40+ years. I think for people who haven't lived that existence the stark setting perhaps put them in more of a mindset to believe it/understand it. I agree there is a survival mode to that situation, too. (edited) 3mo
BarbaraBB @Susanita Yes that contrast with the people who ride the ferry really accentuates their isolation, I felt that too. 3mo
Meshell1313 @ChaoticMissAdventures yes! I also loved the comparison between the two books and how in one the island is a place of happiness and in bear it‘s a place of misery for Sam. I love how the island becomes an almost character itself and how a lot of the action takes place on the ferry so the ferry becomes almost a gateway between poverty and hope for her. 3mo
BarbaraBB @Megabooks I do believe you about it being so isolating, working and living as a caretaker. Then there‘s the poverty and the small community, it all adds I think to their trauma and how they behave. 3mo
squirrelbrain Looking forward to seeing some pictures! @ChaoticMissAdventures - the closest I‘ve been is Vancouver and we didn‘t even go to Vancouver Island then, just stayed near the city. 3mo
squirrelbrain @Meshell1313 - yes, I felt that the island was a character in itself. I love your depiction of the ferry being a gateway - I hadn‘t thought of how the ferry felt to Sam, that dichotomy of disliking the work and the rich visitors but also it being the only way to escape. 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain I felt more resentment from Sam as well. 3mo
Hooked_on_books I loved the setting because I love that part of the world. And Phillips evoked it so well that I felt like I was there. I was going to mention that their roles as caregivers to their mother undoubtedly played a role in their isolation, but @Megabooks beat me to it and fleshed it out well. And @Kitta add me to your list of admirers for your phrasing of the sisters being like an island socially. Beautifully put. 3mo
Chelsea.Poole Great thoughts from everyone! I hadn‘t thought to compare this one to Clear — @Kitta And indeed this family was isolated. It seemed like a very insular existence. 3mo
DebinHawaii I think the comparison to Clear is genius & agree. I loved how atmospheric both of these books are. It really draws me in as a reader. I spent some time in the San Juans when I lived in Seattle & picturing it in my head as I am listening just adds to the experience. 3mo
squirrelbrain I love it when you can picture a book more clearly because you‘ve been ‘there‘ @DebinHawaii 3mo
BarbaraJean I love @Kitta‘s idea of the sisters being “an island unto themselves,” and I also feel they‘re isolated from each other. Some of that is sister dynamics—the older having that primary caregiver/provider role. But the resentment is also a factor. As @DGRachel said, Sam‘s is more overt, but I think it‘s on both sides. As readers, we‘re so closely inside Sam‘s perspective that we have only hints about things Sam doesn‘t realize (or is avoiding). 3mo
BarbaraJean I was struck by how stories with a “small town” setting so often go a very different direction: heartwarming stories of rallying around the struggling. This is not that! The stark reality of the sisters‘ situation feels very realistic: how poverty snowballs so quickly and can prompt a self-imposed isolation—out of distrust, pride/shame, family loyalty. Underneath the bear story, this is a very real wrestling with poverty & healthcare in the US. 3mo
squirrelbrain So true @BarbaraJean that ‘small town‘ stories are often much ‘fluffier‘ and I hadn‘t really thought of that perspective before. 3mo
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I loved her debut so surprised that this is just a lukewarm pick for me. Gorgeous cover and a quick read (more enjoyable than The Alternatives), but I thought Sam was frustrating/annoying and I wasn‘t a fan of the ending. I‘ll still read whatever Phillips writes next. #CampLitsy24

Megabooks I might‘ve liked it more from Elena‘s perspective or a mix of the two. A pick, but I agree not an overly enthusiastic one. 3mo
squirrelbrain Looking forward to the weekend! 3mo
BarbaraBB 💯 agree. I still want to read what she writes next 3mo
kspenmoll Only about a third way in- 3mo
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Deblovestoread
Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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#AboutABook #OneWordTitle

Need to get the first half of this read for Saturday #CampLitsy discussion.

@Eggs @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks

Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks You can do it!! ❤️ 3mo
CBee It‘s really good, Deb @Deblovestoread 🐻 ♥️ 3mo
Christine Same!! 3mo
Eggs Looks good 💙💙 3mo
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Kitta
Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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Starting this finally for #camplitsy24!

Plants in the background are my coleus plants in the outdoor planters. They‘re something new I decided to try this year, and I like them! 🌱

I bought a new game on my switch and had been playing that pretty seriously for the last 5 days so no reading at all. Just work and video games 😆

Sometimes you need a mental break.

Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks 💛💛💛 3mo
CBee Coleus are so pretty! And seriously easy to propagate! 3mo
BarbaraBB I hope you‘re enjoying the book! 3mo
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Christine Beautiful coleus!! 3mo
Kitta @CBee yes! I don‘t have a lot of light so they‘re great. The red one in the back I‘ve propagated a few times to add branches. Maybe I‘ll do the same with the dark ones? 3mo
Kitta @BarbaraBB I am so far but I fell asleep 20 pages in (no fault of the book! I was just exhausted) 3mo
CBee @Kitta I brought mine inside last year for the winter and it did great with less light! 3mo
Kitta @CBee yes the red one comes inside for winter but I can‘t move the metal planters! So maybe I‘ll take cuttings and establish the outdoor ones inside! 3mo
CBee @Kitta great idea! 3mo
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GatheringBooks
Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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#AboutABook Day 15: Our #CampLitsy24 pick for August is a #OneWordTitle. Looking forward to our discussion on Saturday. Paired with Greek coffee and the usual sweet that comes with it.

Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Beautiful photo ☕️ 3mo
Eggs Love this🩷👌🏼☕️ 3mo
squirrelbrain ❤️ 🐻 ❤️ 3mo
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Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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Once I started I couldn‘t stop. Now I am very interested what everybody else at #camplitsy thinks about it.

sarahbarnes I felt the same way! 3mo
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TrishB
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Saving my comments for discussion 😁
#litsycamp

Megabooks Glad it‘s a pick for you!! 3mo
squirrelbrain Hooray! I wonder what you thought of the ending?! 🤔 3mo
julesG Fitting bookmark. 3mo
TrishB @julesG I thought so too 😁 3mo
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dabbe
Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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#CampLitsy

If anyone hasn't snagged this new book yet, it's on sale at BOtM!

Link: https://www.bookofthemonth.com/all-hardcovers/bear-2188

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Starting this one! Interested since it is set where I often vacation! (I swear I am not one of THOSE rich tourists that it sounds like we are going to encounter!)

#CampLitsy24 @dabbe @Megabooks @squirrelbrain

dabbe I just posted a link for this book; it's on sale! 🤩🤩🤩 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @dabbe yay! Love a book sale! 3mo
Bookwormjillk Lol be nice to the people on the ferry 😂 3mo
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Megabooks Very cool that you know the setting! Enjoy! 3mo
ChaoticMissAdventures @Bookwormjillk don't worry I am usually sitting very still trying not to throw up and for sure am not buying anything from/bother the concession people! I get so motion sick on those boats. 3mo
BarbaraBB That is so cool. It seems such a beautiful place to me 3mo
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Bookwormjillk
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All of the running around for back to school and the yard work are done. I decided to close down the mom shop for the weekend and start my hygge hour early. Book is Bear by Julia Phillips and my drink is honey wine from a friend of my husband‘s. Relaxing on the porch is so much better when I can‘t see any weeds that need to be pulled.

TheBookHippie I‘m ignoring my weeds, think it‘ll work? 3mo
Bookwormjillk @TheBookHippie it didn‘t for me but no reason it won‘t for you 😝 3mo
willaful I can never just relax in the yard, I always see something that needs my attention! 3mo
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Chrissyreadit 💛💛💛💛 3mo
Bookwormjillk @willaful @Chrissyreadit I can only really see what‘s right in front of me on the porch so as long as I keep that tidy I‘m okay. 3mo
CBee @TheBookHippie as my oldest says, weeds are still plants and deserve love ♥️♥️😂😂 He doesn‘t want me to pull them! (edited) 3mo
Bookwormjillk @CBee I‘ve gotten some of my best plants that way! Unfortunately some mulch I got a few years ago was infested with invasive weeds that were killing everything else so I have to keep on top of it in certain areas 😞 3mo
CBee @Bookwormjillk oh no!! That‘s terrible 😣 I can understand how you‘d need to watch it more closely after that! 3mo
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JamieArc
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This epigraph has me so curious about how this book is going to go…
#camplitsy24

rubyslippersreads Poor bear is right. Those girls sound mean. 😠🐻 3mo
Aimeesue @rubyslippersreads That sure does not sound fun for the bear! 3mo
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JenReadsAlot
Bear: A Novel | Julia Phillips
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TheBookHippie After bailing the last two I‘m afraid to start this one 😅😵‍💫🤪🤣 3mo
Megabooks Too bad! It wasn‘t a homer for me either, but it was a low pick. So different from Disappearing Earth!! 3mo
Megabooks @TheBookHippie @JenReadsAlot Helen does have some great questions on tap, so there‘s that!! 😁😁 3mo
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TheBookHippie @Megabooks 🤣 I have a long doctor appointment this week so I‘m taking it with. 3mo
JenReadsAlot @Megabooks @TheBookHippie I'm looking forward to the discussions! 3mo
squirrelbrain Oh no! Hopefully the discussions will improve your views! 3mo
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squirrelbrain
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Tomorrow we‘re finishing our discussion on The Alternatives and then, next week we start Bear! (I‘m a bit scared of a 🐻 in #camplitsy24! 😜)

The issue with this book is there are no chapter numbers so, the break point may be a tiny spoiler, but I think we all know there might be a bear involved!

Next weekend we‘ll discuss the first half of the book, to the chapter that ends ‘A bear beside her sister, close enough to walk over to and touch‘

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CBee I have high hopes for this one 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 3mo
BarbaraBB Thanks Helen! Looking forward to it! 3mo
AmyG Thank you. I am enjoying this one so far. 3mo
Megabooks Yay! Excited for Bear but sorry camp is ending! 3mo
jlhammar So excited to start this one! Playing catch-up with The Alternatives first. 3mo
Ruthiella Great. Looking forward to the grand finale! 😅 3mo
Meshell1313 Perfect! Can‘t wait! 3mo
squirrelbrain It‘s very good! @CBee 3mo
squirrelbrain Looking forward to it! @BarbaraBB @Megabooks 3mo
squirrelbrain I really liked it! @AmyG 3mo
squirrelbrain I can‘t wait either! @Ruthiella @Meshell1313 3mo
squirrelbrain Hopefully you‘ll catch up for the weekend! 🤞 @jlhammar 3mo
Hooked_on_books I listened to this one while I was working and didn‘t even pick up on the lack of chapter numbers! That would for sure be challenging to find the right break spot. (edited) 3mo
squirrelbrain @Hooked_on_books - it‘s just before Elena gets in the car and Sam goes mad with her and lashes out. Just so you know. 😄 3mo
Bookwormjillk Oh I thought it was about beers 🍺 3mo
CBee @squirrelbrain can‘t wait to get started 👏🏻 3mo
CBee @Bookwormjillk 😂😂😂😂 3mo
squirrelbrain @Bookwormjillk - a 🐻 with 🍺 could be a *huge* problem in camp. 😜 3mo
Bookwormjillk @squirrelbrain a definite safety violation 3mo
jenniferw88 Please remove me from the tag list for Bear - I haven't managed to get a copy, and I don't want to do audio. 3mo
CBee Very much liking this so far @squirrelbrain 🤞🏻🤞🏻👏🏻👏🏻 3mo
squirrelbrain It‘s very good! @CBee 3mo
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