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Clear: A Novel | Carys Davies
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A stunning, exquisite novel from an award-winning writer about a minister dispatched to a remote island off of Scotland to clear the last remaining inhabitant, who has no intention of leavingan unforgettable tale of resilience, change, and hope. John, an impoverished Scottish minister, has accepted a job evicting the lone remaining occupant of an island north of ScotlandIvar, who has been living alone for decades, with only the animals and the sea for company. Though his wife, Mary, has serious misgivings about the errand, he decides to go anyway, setting in motion a chain of events that neither he nor Mary could have predicted. Shortly after John reaches the island, he falls down a cliff and is found, unconscious and badly injured, by Ivar who takes him home and tends to his wounds. The two men do not speak a common language, but as John builds a dictionary of Ivars world, they learn to communicate and, as Ivar sees himself for the first time in decades reflected through the eyes of another person, they build a fragile, unusual connection. Unfolding in the 1840s in the final stages of the infamous Scottish Clearanceswhich saw whole communities of the rural poor driven off the land in a relentless program of forced evictionsthis singular, beautiful, deeply surprising novel explores the differences and connections between us, the way history shapes our deepest convictions, and how the human spirit can survive despite all odds. Moving and unpredictable, sensitive and spellbinding, Clear is a profound and pleasurable read.
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BookNAround
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I really appreciate Cary‘s Davies‘ writing. This novel set at the end of the Scottish Clearances on a remote and forbidding island is a marvel of history, language, and love. Full review at http://booknaround.blogspot.com/2024/07/review-clear-by-carys-davies.html

BkClubCare I enjoyed this one, too. Quiet but really packed a punch. 2mo
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Cathythoughts
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Clear. By Carys Davies. Set in 1843, Minister John Ferguson travels from Scotland towards Norway to a tiny island, where one man lives alone. A beautiful wild setting , a story about loneliness and human connection. I loved it.

Lesliereadsalot Loved this one too! 3mo
Cathythoughts @Lesliereadsalot 👍🏻❤️ I‘ve ordered another by her. 3mo
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Gissy
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😳Sorry, another unpopular opinion. Beautiful written but there is something missing for me in the story and in the ending🤷🏽‍♀️I wanted to love it after all those extraordinary reviews/ratings in GR and Litsy. Maybe I could give it another try in the future. 3⭐️

June 2024 Book #14

#ReadAway2024 @DieAReader @Andrew65 @Ghabi4Roses
#BookSpinBingo (#21 free space @TheAromaOfBooks

DieAReader 🥳Great finish! #Next 4mo
Prairiegirl_reading I wasn‘t a huge fan of this one either. 4mo
TheAromaofBooks I saw a lot of mixed reviews for this one on Litsy. 4mo
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RaeLovesToRead I thought it was sweet enough, but I don't like short books that try too hard to make me feel stuff. Same with the tagged 4mo
Gissy @Prairiegirl_reading I wasn‘t the only one then 😅 4mo
Prairiegirl_reading @RaeLovesToRead this is totally how I feel about short books and feelings. 😂 4mo
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AnneCecilie
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It‘s the 1840s and Scotland is going through huge changes. For landowners it‘s more economic to have sheep on their land that tenants. The priest John Ferguson takes the job to travel to an island with only one inhabitant to tell him that he need to relocate. A book about these two men who don‘t speak each other‘s language and how John is learning Ivar‘s language so they can start communicating. There‘s something tender about this short novel

kspenmoll I loved it. 💙🩵❤️ 4mo
sarahbarnes Agreed 🩵🩵 4mo
Suet624 Wonderful review of this wonderful book. 4mo
Aimeesue Loved this one 💚💙💚 4mo
rwmg It does sound intriguing. Wishlisted 4mo
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Lesliereadsalot
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Under 200 short pages, the story of a poor minister who is hired to relocate a man living alone on a Scottish island, grabs you and doesn‘t let go. It‘s the mid 1800s and the landowner only wants sheep on this island, not people. And these two men have to somehow connect while speaking different languages. Definitely a book worth reading.

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janeycanuck
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Wow, this packs SO much in its 185 pages. Clear was practically a one-sitting read for me, only taking a break for lunch. Davies' writing just throws you into this stark landscape and you feel like you are right there, rooting for these two odd characters.

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AnneCecilie
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So, he thought, I am like a puffin.
Like a puffin I wasn‘t frightened of him. Like a puffin I have spent my days swimming beside him.
Like a puffin I have walked about, close to the snare.

(I‘ve never seen a puffin, but has always loved them, mostly for their colorful beak)

tournevis My favourite bird! 4mo
AnnCrystal 😍💝. 4mo
Powered_By_Plants Oh they are so cute! We hoped to see them in wales a few weeks ago but we missed them 4mo
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^^ 167, the word for the moment before

61 “Well, for a start, being a great reader, he would probably have complained about the fashion beloved by the worst kind of contemporary novelists for inflicting catastrophic and prolonged memory loss on their characters—very likely he would have called it a cheap plot device to complicate an already complicated series of events.” 😂

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Pinta
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Language, culture clash, colonization. Companionship. 1840s Scotland. Minister reluctantly takes on evicting the last inhabitant of a Shetland Island. Taut, haunting, quiet. Rushed but satisfying end. 2024

42 “Into her mind a picture came of this vast emptying-out—a long, gray, and never-ending procession of tiny figures snaking their way like a river through the country.”

181 “How was it, she thought, we never see the big things coming?”

Suet624 Really liked this book. 5mo
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19-20 Jul 24
Such a wonderful story of language, dying worlds, loneliness and love. The setting of the Orkney Islands seems so desolate and Ivar‘s way of life is so grim and bare and yet I can also see the beauty. The way Davies shows the desperation of each of John and Mary is so evocative and for me the ending was perfect.
I loved this and do hope it makes the Booker longlist.

Cuilin This is the first review that makes me want to read the book. 5mo
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Erinreadsthebooks
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Thank you so much, @Texreader I really appreciate your generosity ❤️

Texreader Great!! Glad to hear it arrived. You‘re welcome!! 5mo
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Daily
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Author investigates themes of love, loss, and survival with sensitivity and attentiveness. Each story reads like a bespoke little cosmos consisting in characters confronting life‘s ambiguities and catching brief moments of clarity amidst clutter....
Full Review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/6615861556

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Aimeesue
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The writing here is astounding, deceptively simple language that conveys the depth of feeling among the thee main characters so well. Davies‘ style reminded me of Margaret Atwood‘s writing - ordinary language (as opposed to the lyrical stylings of many recent novels, full of déliquescence and meanderings and cacophonies) that is so straightforward and clear that the story takes center stage, as, imo, it should.
Fabulous book.Fabulous teapot. ?

kspenmoll Love your review! 6mo
dabbe 🤩🤩🤩 6mo
BarbaraBB Fabulous review 😀 6mo
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Aimeesue @kspenmoll Thanks! I think it took me longer to pinpoint exactly why I loved it than it did to read the book 😄 6mo
Aimeesue @dabbe 🩵💚🩵 6mo
Aimeesue @BarbaraBB Thanks! It‘s reallllllly good. 6mo
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Readerann
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I‘m perpetually late to the party, but I was happy this was a quick read for #CampLitsy24. I agree with so many comments here that I don‘t feel I can add anything unique. I enjoyed it quite a lot, but didn‘t find it “amazing”.

Ruthiella You are fashionably late! 🤩 6mo
BarbaraBB Happy you were able to read it. The discussion was great, you can stop by for some interesting insights! 6mo
BkClubCare I have found this to be a “still thinking about” book. 3mo
Readerann @BkClubCare Me, too. I don‘t think I‘ll get to “stunning” or “exquisite” like the description says. 3mo
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Texreader
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I‘m giving away this brand new book! I listened to the library audiobook instead of cracking open the book. I was not a fan of this book and happy to give it to someone who loved it. Let me know by end of today (Sunday June 30) if you want to put your name in the hat. US only as I intend to send by book mail.

Erinreadsthebooks I would like my name in the hat, please 🙋‍♀️😃 6mo
Texreader @Erinreadsthebooks Looks like you totally scored!! Please send me your mailing at my email address: kamonsen at aol.com 6mo
Erinreadsthebooks @Texreader Awesome! Thank you. This has made my day! 6mo
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Texreader @Erinreadsthebooks 😃 Don‘t forget to email me your mailing address 6mo
Erinreadsthebooks @Texreader I emailed this morning. Maybe it went to junk or I mistyped your email address? 6mo
Texreader @Erinreadsthebooks It was in my junk email! I‘ve got it now. Thanks!! 6mo
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DebinHawaii
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#ReadAway2024

Catching up on my June reviews, I finished a couple of weeks ago for #CampLitsy24 & really enjoyed it. It wasn‘t on my radar or a book I‘d have picked up on my own so I‘m glad it was a camp pick. Story, setting & the lovely writing & language came together in not that many pages. A quiet little book about love & relationships & it just kind of seeped its way into my soul. An enthusiastic pick for me & big thanks to our camp hosts.

squirrelbrain Glad you found a fabulous book that wasn‘t even on your radar! ❤️ 6mo
BarbaraBB I love it to come across books that I normally wouldn‘t read and that I end up loving! 6mo
DebinHawaii Forgot that this was a June #Roll100 pick for me (#66 any library book) too. @PuddleJumper 6mo
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DebinHawaii @squirrelbrain @BarbaraBB Yes! It‘s the best! 🤗 6mo
PuddleJumper 🎉🎉 6mo
DieAReader 🥳🥳🥳 6mo
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KateReadsYA
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@DebinHawaii #5JoysFriday
1. Reading Clear, it was so gloomy and cozy 📖
2. Arizona skies 💜
3. Watching Ponyo for the first time 🐠
4. My dog Clove following me out of the house to take a ride in the truck while we go grab dessert. 🐶
5. We went on a mini vacation for my husband's job.🌴
I tag @BooksNBowls 💛
(There's always a positive that can come from a negative if you look hard enough)

Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Beautiful family ❤️ 6mo
dabbe #cuteclove 🖤🐾🖤 6mo
DebinHawaii What a wonderful list of joys & great photos!💛💛💛 That sunset 🌅 is so pretty! Thanks for joining in & spreading the joy! 🤗 6mo
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KateReadsYA
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3.5 ⭐️

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KateReadsYA
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This was a perfect pick to bring on vacation. So far I am loving how cozy the descriptions are and how slow paced life is for Ivar. 🐄🐎🐑

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youneverarrived
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I loved this. I wasn‘t sure that audio was the right format at first but after a while I really got immersed in it & found myself slowing down while listening on my walks to match the tone of the book 😆 it evokes a strong sense of place and is atmospheric which I love. Another review describes it well by noting it has a ‘quiet intensity‘ 🖤 #camplitsy

squirrelbrain Glad you liked it! 6mo
BarbaraBB Such a wonderful review. Time slowing down while reading. And yes I loved the book too. 6mo
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KateReadsYA
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Going on vacation today! Bringing the tagged book since I'm behind for #camplitsy

julesG Enjoy your vacation! 6mo
Ruthiella Have fun! 6mo
TieDyeDude 🧳✈ Safe travels! 6mo
dabbe Have a blast! 💚💙💚 6mo
BarbaraBB Enjoy 🩵 6mo
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Gleefulreader
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I read this a few weeks ago as part of #camplitsy24 but then was unable to take part in the discussion. I found this book very thoughtful and a beautiful exploration on the themes of loneliness and connection, love and understanding. I‘ve seen a lot of people compare it to The Colony because the similar settings but feel that the two books are actually quite different. I really enjoyed this and will be purchasing a hard copy.

BarbaraBB I am glad you loved it too! 6mo
Megabooks Glad you enjoyed it! 6mo
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Kimbono
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Currently reading while I get the gray out. 😄

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Kazzie
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Wow! So so good. Beautiful and haunting and sad and romantic. The love amongst people prevails.

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Caryl
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I loved many things about this book: learning fascinating words from Ivar‘s language which helped me understand the island‘s landscape, following John Ferguson as he fell gently into Ivar‘s life, and cheering Mary on as she continuously surprised and delighted me.

Thanks to #CampLitsy24 for the great discussions, and to @BarbaraBB @Megabooks and @squirrelbrain for being awesome camp counselors!

BarbaraBB Discussion was great indeed, thanks to all awesome campers! 🤍 6mo
squirrelbrain Lovely review! 6mo
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kspenmoll
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In awe of this book, the author‘s spare & lyrical language that conveys bonds of many sorts: to land, to sea, to animals, to humans. A tribute to the human spirit, its ability to endure, adapt, renew, to hope.
I don‘t know what more I can add to the countless reviews by fellow Littens. Just a HUGE thank you to #camplitsy24 for introducing me to this book.

dabbe Lovely review. 💚💙💚 6mo
squirrelbrain Beautiful review! ❤️❤️❤️ 6mo
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Roary47
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3✨I really enjoyed the peace I felt while reading this book. Ivar has been alone on a remote island for a long time, and John is a husband who is trying to provide for his bride. Loosely based on two historical events in Scotland that I wasn‘t aware happened, but now have a little background in. Read for #CampLitsy @squirrelbrain @BarbaraBB @Megabooks A little late, but glad I read it with everyone.

Megabooks It was a peaceful book. Glad you joined us! 6mo
squirrelbrain Definitely a peaceful book. 6mo
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CarolynM
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This is an extraordinarily atmospheric book. The writing was unobtrusive but incredibly effective -I felt the primness of the place and time, the harshness of the weather, the rugged emptiness of the landscape, the rough expanse of the sea and the claustrophobic interiors. The story was simple but engaging and offered plenty to think about. Thanks to the #CampLitsy24 hosts and participants for the discussions which added to my enjoyment.

squirrelbrain Fabulous review - glad you enjoyed it so much! 6mo
BarbaraBB So glad you enjoyed it. We‘ve had a good start camping! 6mo
Megabooks Love this review! Glad to have you at camp. 🏕️😃🫶🏻 6mo
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dabbe Lovely review. 💚💙💚 6mo
Centique What a great review - very keen to get to this one 😍 6mo
youneverarrived Fab review! 6mo
Rissreads I‘ve never heard of this one! 6mo
Suet624 Great review. This book is so good. 6mo
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HeatherBookNerd
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This brief novel is a lovely story about the ways that people connect, discover, and communicate. It is 1840 and a minister is sent by a landowner to an island off Scotland to evict the last remaining resident. The minister and the islander meet in a surprising way and a unique bond is formed, despite language and cultural barriers.

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I just loved this. Such a balm for the soul, and the ending was a nice surprise ♥️ #camplitsy24 @BarbaraBB @squirrelbrain @Megabooks

BarbaraBB A balm for the soul 🤍 6mo
Megabooks Yes!! 6mo
CBee @BarbaraBB sometimes you just need a quiet book like this one. I also love when the setting becomes its own character! 6mo
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CBee @Megabooks ♥️♥️ 6mo
squirrelbrain Such a lovely review! 6mo
AmyG For me, the quiet ones are the best. Everything does not need to be spelled out. And yes…the setting. I had this setting puctured perfectly in my head. 6mo
BarbaraBB Yes that is quite special about this book 6mo
CBee @squirrelbrain thank you! 6mo
CBee @AmyG I agree! 📚 👯‍♀️♥️ 6mo
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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Pick, but I didn't love this as much as others seem to. 3.5⭐

I enjoyed the space writing, and the characters. I am really glad we did this for #CampListy24 the discussions (though I was late to them due to family obligations) were very well thought out and made me sit with the book more than I would have on my own. I loved that the island itself felt like a character, and Mary was my favorite. I liked how language - nonverbal and verbal 👇

ChaoticMissAdventures Played such a large part of the story while Davies used language itself so sparingly. 6mo
ChaoticMissAdventures Overall though I thought this was fine but it didn't have the same impact on me as it did for others in the chat. I read a lot of quiet books and this reminds me of The Wren The Wren where I am pretty sure I might not think about it again anytime soon 6mo
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Fellow Campers (#CampLitsy24):

Please imagine that I played this song for you, beautifully, on my acoustic guitar around the campfire while the stars twinkled above us. It‘s one of my favorite rainy day songs…and it fits the story perfectly!

https://open.spotify.com/track/2DGSdO00NzACW56iJ2FjNm?si=-K-E0RmKSB2u0IdunGt2IA

*This is an exercise in imagination due to our scattered geography AND my utter lack of musical talent. 😅

kspenmoll Thank you thank you for this musical experience. 6mo
monalyisha You‘re welcome, @kspenmoll! 🩶 6mo
Meshell1313 Yes!!! Perfect soundtrack for this atmospheric novel! 6mo
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monalyisha
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A short, queer, atmospheric novel set in 1843 during the Great Disruption in the Scottish Church & the Clearances, when rural inhabitants in the Highlands & Islands were forced by wealthy landlords to leave their homes.

The title is fitting; it‘s a quiet but powerful exploration of what is clearly important in life (& how that‘s conveyed) and what‘s a little more foggy & nuanced (eg. sexuality, morality, spirituality, multiple intelligences).👇🏻

monalyisha 1/1: What makes this book so poignant is the gray area - literally (in terms of the setting) and metaphorically. Absolutely everything in Davies‘ tale is in transition. (edited) 6mo
monalyisha Thanks, #CampLitsy24 for putting this book on my radar! And thanks to @BarbaraBB for leading the discussions. 🩵 6mo
Suet624 Great review! 6mo
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BarbaraBB Very well said 🩶 6mo
squirrelbrain Great review! ❤️ 6mo
sarahbarnes Great review! 6mo
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dabbe
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What stunned me most about this book was Davies' writing. So much was said with so few words--which simulates what happened in this novel. Ivar, a man living in solitude for years on a remote Scottish island, meets John, the hired minister who's going to tell him he has to leave due to the Highland Clearances. Both learn to communicate in sparse language and discover companionship in one another. Davies' sparse prose captures ⬇️

dabbe the lush and isolated landscape as well as the need for human connection. I will carry this story with me for a while.

A great start to #CampLitsy. Thank you, @megabooks, @squirrelbrain, and @barbarabb, for organizing this and being our indomitable leaders. 💙
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squirrelbrain You‘re welcome. ☺️ Fabulous review! 6mo
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sarahbarnes Agreed! Great review. 6mo
Caryl Beautiful review of a beautiful story! 6mo
kspenmoll Wonderful review- I had similar responses to the novel. Just discussed it with a friend today 6mo
AmyG I loved this, too. Beautiful book. 6mo
monalyisha Excellent point about the book‘s brevity and how it echoes both the sparseness and lushness of the language(s) John & Ivar use to communicate! 6mo
Daisey Wonderful review! 6mo
BarbaraBB So well said. Great review 6mo
dabbe @Caryl 🤩 6mo
dabbe @kspenmoll 🤩 6mo
dabbe @AmyG 🤩 6mo
dabbe @Daisey 🤩 6mo
dabbe @BarbaraBB 🤩 And thank you for your thought-provoking questions; they helped me pen this. 💙💚💙 6mo
BarbaraBB Thank you. The discussion always adds so much to the reading experience! And those questions were a team effort, thanks to @squirrelbrain and @Megabooks 🤍 6mo
Megabooks Wow! What a review! So glad to have you at camp. @BarbaraBB is right. We‘re a team each week, and I‘m proud to be a counselor with such fantastic people! @squirrelbrain 6mo
dabbe @BarbaraBB 🤩 6mo
dabbe @Megabooks 🤩🤗😀 6mo
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MicheleinPhilly
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Utterly lovely, quietly devastating. #ProcrastinatorsDoItBetter #CampLitsy

squirrelbrain Love the hashtag! 🤣 6mo
CBee I beat you - finished it tonight 😂😂😂 6mo
Suet624 So good. 6mo
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BarbaraBB
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Question 3 of 3

With our third question we‘ve finished the Clear discussion. We hope you‘ll be back next week to discuss the first half of a completely different book: Butter.
Until then, enjoy the beach and the sun and your books and this lovely space to spend time together: #CampLitsy24

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Hooked_on_books I LOVED the ending. The fact that Mary simply accepts this love story between John and Ivar and chooses to have all of them together is just beautiful. I felt like the love story was likely to open up to be all three of them, which I tend to think doesn‘t really work, but I‘d like to see it work here. 6mo
Bookwormjillk Like @Hooked_on_books I loved that Mary saw what was happening and accepted it. I feel like the three of them have a shot. 6mo
Deblovestoread The ending was perfect and hopefully they found a place to live and thrive. 6mo
CarolynM It was very abrupt. I‘m not sure that I completely buy Mary‘s acceptance and I can‘t see how John could continue in the Free Church living in a throuple. I think he‘s in for a major attack of conscience, or crisis of faith, once they‘re back in their community. 6mo
BarbaraBB I loved the ending too. I think many people didn‘t though. I‘ve been wondering about John‘s future at the Free Church too @CarolynM (edited) 6mo
Ruthiella Like @CarolynM , I found the end way too pat and unlikely. The whole book is leading up to a betrayal of trust. I would have accepted some relief, but not sex, Mary‘s acceptance, the Wedgwood tea pot AND the pony? 6mo
willaful I also loved the ending. I honestly think it's *brave* to give literary fiction a happy ending! So many people think only tragedy has real meaning. I'm not surprised by Mary's acceptance because I felt that strength of character in her all along but I do wonder about how easily John let everything go, and how well Ivar will cope in a new environment. 6mo
CarolynM @Ruthiella It felt like a modern ending to a story that had been previously very much rooted in a particular moment of the past. 6mo
squirrelbrain I expected a sad / traumatic ending so was pleasantly surprised. I‘m not sure they would be a throuple @CarolynM ( I think Mary would find someone else) but I do agree that John couldn‘t continue on in the Church. 6mo
LeeRHarry I found the ending pretty abrupt but I like that it was left quite open ended. I feel like they all went their separate ways. 6mo
RaeLovesToRead The ending was a curveball after the cheeky misdirection with the gun. I agree with @CarolynM - bit abrupt, felt like a modern ending and a bit contrived. Still made me smile but don't 100% buy it. I'm happy the author took that direction though. 6mo
Jess I really liked the ending. Given the expectation of violence, I was surprised to see where things ended up. 6mo
Susanita It was a surprise! At the same time, Mary had little choice but to accept the situation after how she came to the island. Like others, I‘m curious / concerned about how they will make their way forward. 6mo
Soubhiville I agree the ending was a surprise! I really expected a tragedy. I loved the way the author chose to end it. I hope the three of them found a way to live happily together, but I agree that John isn‘t likely to have continued with the church. IMO that‘s not a bad thing, as it sounds like the “new church” was not going to offer John and Mary any kind of secure and comfortable life. 6mo
AmyG I loved the ending. Mary could either reject what she saw and live alone…or accept it and find a way to go forward. I think Mary loved John plus did not want to go it alone. I am curious which one came into play the most….love or fear. I am a big fan of a book ending that makes the reader think about how the story will continue. 6mo
kspenmoll The ending was a huge surprise to me! I loved it. 6mo
JenReadsAlot I was ready for something terrible to happen so loved the ending. 6mo
DGRachel I‘m with @CarolynM and @Ruthiella with this one. I didn‘t mind the ending at first, but the more I thought about it, the more I disliked it. While I didn‘t need a tragic ending, this one felt too neat, like the author hit her word count and had to wrap things up with a tidy bow. I don‘t buy Mary‘s acceptance, and I agree that John is in for some long sleepless nights because of a crisis of a faith. 6mo
Laughterhp I was listening to this one on audio, so I didn‘t realize we were nearing the end of the book. So I was quite surprised with how abruptly it ended. I agree with what the others said, where I thought it was going to end in violence. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole I‘m typically fine with tragedy/disappointment and prefer realistic any day over a “happy ending”, but I was just thrilled with the way this ended. My mind had planned out such horrible scenarios (and probably more realistic) but to see all three leave together (no one shot!) was just so shocking that I couldn‘t be mad about it. Almost like a twist! Sure, they‘ll have their struggles off the island but hopefully together they‘ll find a way. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole I agree the ending was rather brave of the author as @willaful mentioned above. Literary fiction is so often tragic but the story doesn‘t have to be in order for the work to have merit. Maybe it‘s easier to write tragedies?? 6mo
mcctrish Mary is unconventional so I think she could handle going off on her own ( there was a passage where she was wishing for more intimacy with John so maybe she does find a new person, I hope so.) Ivar is certainly self sufficient so he could live anywhere ( I forget what the expectation was for him off the island) John is the one most likely to struggle 6mo
CogsOfEncouragement It is the mid 1800s and Mary is in her 40s. She is incredibly poor and yet Mary does all she can to get to John because she is so concerned for his safety. Her love and loyalty and bravery are repaid with John's unfaithfulness. I think she's in shock, not acceptance. She just needs off the island right now. They all do. I didn't read this as a HEA. 6mo
Megabooks @Hooked_on_books @Bookwormjillk that‘s a big reason I fell so in love with Mary as a character. Her openness and bravery astounded me! 6mo
Megabooks @CarolynM @BarbaraBB agree that his future as a minister was very uncertain. Could he handle that? Would the church accept him once again? HUGE unknown!! @squirrelbrain (edited) 6mo
Megabooks @RaeLovesToRead yes, contrived and modern but still lovely! 6mo
Megabooks @Laughterhp agree there was definitely foreshadowing that had me expecting violence. 6mo
MicheleinPhilly The ending really bowled me over as my black heart thought “Surely, someone is gonna die.” I didn‘t foresee Ivar leaving willingly. For me it was less about a potential romantic future for any of the parties as it was about Ivar recognizing the joy to be found in connection and intimacy. 6mo
sarahbarnes Agree with many others here that given the books I usually read I definitely expected a tragedy and loved the beautiful twist at the end. It seems like much of John‘s and Mary‘s lives have been unconventional for the time (married later, leaving the church) and now they are bringing Ivar into their lives. I think the book is really a love story to the power of relationship and love. 6mo
JamieArc This was my dream ending, which I thought was impossible, so I was pleasantly surprised by the ending and loved it, particularly when Mary says “Instead of two, we could be three.” 6mo
JamieArc I love the literary idea of palimpsest, the washing away of words on a document to make room for a new story. This book is the best of that. If I were still studying literature, I would write a paper on this. 6mo
JamieArc Lastly, as much as I love how it ended, I can‘t imagine life for them is going to be easy. Thanks for hosting this discussion @BarbaraBB ! We chose a great book to start off #camplitsy24 with! 6mo
Nessavamusic I love the hope the ending has, even if it might not be easy for them, it is hopeful. 6mo
Kitta I honestly didn‘t really consider John‘s future in the church. I kind of assumed he‘d distanced himself from those beliefs after meeting with Ivar and building intimacy with him. We hear less and less mention of the church and I doubt they‘d be able to return to their home with Ivar and the horse. I saw them as sailing for a new land or at least a new part of the country where they would settle as a family. I liked the ending although its unlikely 6mo
Kitta Agreed with many others here that I expected a tragedy though. I thought for sure Mary would be shot at the end or assaulted on the boat or something. I was surprised (in a good way) that it worked out so well. Agreed with @JamieArc that I loved the line “we could be three”. Overall it‘s not a believable ending but it was satisfying and interesting to wonder about their future together. 6mo
TheBookHippie I just finished and still pondering. I don‘t like HEA endings tied up neatly, ever.. but this was also open ended.. is it realistic, possibly.. because of Mary‘s character. I did think it would be a brutal ending. I‘m glad it wasn‘t that. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 6mo
dabbe To me, the book ended on hope: hope that the three could make a life together, hope that society would accept them, hope that it would all work out. But ... I can't help but think of the movie THE GRADUATE--when Hoffman (Benjamin) and Ross (Elaine) are riding away on the bus--both of them thrilled and full of hope--but then their ecstatic smiles turn into neutral expressions as they ponder their future life of uncertainty. 6mo
Meshell1313 I thought for sure Mary was going to drag John‘s butt back to the mainland alone so I was SUpEr surprised by the ending. I hope they live happily ever after as a throuple! I like to think John builds his own church with new modern ideas and Ivar adapts to city life! 6mo
yourfavouritemixtape I also felt like something tragic has to happen and then when it didn‘t I was very relieved. It kind of wouldn‘t have fit. At first I didn‘t really like this very open ending, not knowing what‘s going to happen with the three of them. But the more I thought about it, the more right it felt, to end this story like that. 6mo
Suet624 I love all the responses. I‘m with those who were surprised and delighted by the ending. Actually, I really needed that ending. 6mo
BookWrym I disliked the ending for me this would have been better as a story of an unlikely friendship. Ivar could still live with Mary and John as a friend not a lover. That whole storyline felt out of character, out of time and so unlikely I just couldn‘t get on board with it. The ending didn‘t need to be tragic but it did need to be realistic. 6mo
willaful @RaeLovesToRead cheeky is a good word for it! It annoyed me, but not really. ;-) 6mo
willaful @sarahbarnes well put. 6mo
willaful @Suet624 I know just what you mean! 6mo
GatheringBooks Like @Suet624 i also needed this kind of ending, notwithstanding its supposed lack of credibility. I think more than a happy ending, it was an ambiguous sort of ending. There is no guarantee they will be happy all living together with all that entails, but at least as the song goes, there are three less lonely people in the world - and perhaps that‘s all that matters in the end. Easing the sense of aloneness and sharing one‘s life with others. 6mo
TheKidUpstairs I loved the ending. But I find it interesting that so many describe it as a happy ending, maybe bittersweet, but I didn't really see it as happy. It was, to me, more a sign of Mary's determination to make her life and love work for her. That she would make such a large compromise in order to move forward with John. Like @GatheringBooks mentioned, there really is no guarantee of happiness in this ending... cont'd in next comment 6mo
sarahbarnes @Suet624 ♥️♥️♥️ 6mo
TheKidUpstairs ...cont'd from previous comment... The ending may be a bright moment, but there is difficulty and trouble coming for these three (as some have pointed out, John is likely to face a lot of difficulty from the church). I think the abruptness of the ending allows them to have their moment of promise, without having to promise us that they'll live happily ever after. 6mo
TheKidUpstairs @dabbe what a great comparison! I totally agree. That combination of elation and uncertainty for what comes next. 6mo
Suet624 @TheKidUpstairs I appreciate your idea that the ending allows for their (and our) moment of promise. 6mo
DebinHawaii I missed the discussion last week & I‘m starting with the last question this week.🤷🏻‍♀️ I am with the liked/loved the ending brigade. Thinking one of the three was going to die & wondering which one I would be most “okay” with dying, I was happy with the resolution. I agree that it isn‘t a HEA ending & more bittersweet & foresee struggles ahead for the trio (no church for John) but my heart likes to think they will find some happiness together. 6mo
CarolynM @CogsOfEncouragement Shock, yes, that makes sense to me. @MicheleinPhilly It‘s a story about connection and intimacy so it also makes sense to me to see the ending in that way. @JamieArc I like your idea for a paper! 6mo
monalyisha @TheKidUpstairs I found it bittersweet, or tentatively, delicately hopeful, as well. I‘d love to imagine them as a happy throuple (a la my favorite literary throuple: Lindy West, Ahamefule J. Oluo, & Roya Amirsoleymani). But I know that‘s likely far too optimistic! I think Mary‘s a smart woman with a big heart, & I think she weighed her options. 👇🏻 6mo
monalyisha Mary‘s experience with Alice might have made her more open-minded than others in her position. We have to remember that she calls the situation a “terrible surprise.” While she acknowledges that sometimes, “terrible surprises can lead to great and unanticipated happiness,” it would be irresponsible to ignore that word: “terrible.” 6mo
monalyisha The truly devastating bit for me was that Ivar had to leave his island. It‘s the historical truth (as it was and is in so many places); painful as it was to read, anything else would have rung false. Going in, I knew nothing about The Great Disruption or The Clearances. Im grateful to have come to it in this way! 6mo
monalyisha The more I think about the ending, the more I‘m convinced that it WASN‘T tied up with a bow…and the more I like that. 💝 6mo
willaful @TheKidUpstairs “ I think the abruptness of the ending allows them to have their moment of promise, without having to promise us that they'll live happily ever after. “ Well put. 6mo
willaful @monalyisha Yes, I think finding a way for Ivar not to leave would have been historically impossible, so I'm glad the author found a way to bring him joy anyway. 6mo
Karisa @Laughterhp Exactly what I was going to say! I loved the audiobook—narrator‘s voice was perfect! I also did not expect the sudden, happy ending. It didn‘t seem to match the mood. 6mo
Prairiegirl_reading @BookWrym I agree with you! 6mo
Prairiegirl_reading @Karisa I wish I would have done the audio instead of paper. I kept thinking I wish I could hear these words. I think I would have connected with this book better that way. 6mo
Daisey I don‘t see this as a happy ending. It‘s bittersweet and hopeful, but I also see struggle in the future, especially for John. Mary and Ivar both seem more resilient to me, but I see John facing a major crisis of faith when he gets back to the “real” world. I usually don‘t care for open endings, but somehow this one worked for me. 6mo
CBee I was surprised at the ending, and very relieved! I did get a bit worried for a moment. I doubt it will be easy, and what saddened me was Ivar having to leave the other animals and the only place he‘d ever known as home. But I like to think they‘ll figure it out ♥️ 6mo
dabbe @TheKidUpstairs 💙💚💙 6mo
BarbaraBB @CogsOfEncouragement I think you are right. I agree with @TheKidUpstairs that the ending was bittersweet, they are not facing an easy future in either way. I can‘t imagine Ivar living on the mainland for example. Did he leave his animals behind? I can‘t remember 6mo
Leniverse I found the development between Ivar and John a bit unbelievable. I find Mary's pragmatic acceptance of it more probable than John's. I know that his life was turned upside down, and he had to revise a lot of notions, but to go from "dancing is sinful" to basically proving what dancing leads to and not have a religious freakout seems odd. That bi-awakening came way too easy for the times. 6mo
Leniverse I liked that the ending wasn't sad and horrible. I like to think that they decided to stay in Norway. Found some craggy coastal village where life wouldn't be too alien for Ivar. I've heard this story about how Norwegian (Lutheran) immigrants in the USA in the 1800s were shunned by the strict Calvinist British immigrants because even their ministers liked a spot of dancing and fiddle play. I figure John could change denomination again 😂 6mo
peaKnit I like to imagine that the ending offers a glimpse at a new hope for kindness, acceptance and love. I imagine a platonic threesome mostly. I want it to work. I worry about my fictional friends, the times and reality on a mainland may not be kind to them. 🤞🏻 6mo
peaKnit @Prairiegirl_reading audio might be wonderful to listen to - great suggestion. Worth another go. 6mo
Maggie4483 I think the “Happy Ending“ is an illusion in this one. First and foremost, Ivar is going to really struggle with losing the only home he's ever known, regardless of his new connections. And Mary is clearly not thrilled about the nature of the relationship between John and Ivar. When she talked about the three phases of her life, she said the third with John was the happiest (continued) 6mo
Maggie4483 ...but feared she was about to enter the fourth and FINAL phase if she lost John. I think she's compromising more than she really wants to so that she can keep John, because she fears losing him would kill her. I hope I'm wrong, though. There IS, after all, the matter of Mary's picture that Ivar found and felt such a connection to. It's entirely plausible that the two of them form their own unique connection. 🤞 6mo
BarbaraBB @Maggie4483 That is a very insightful way of thinking. I think you are right and I hope so too, re Ivar and Mary! 6mo
Roary47 I complete agree with @hooked_on_books I liked that Mary was accepting of the bond that Ivar and John had formed. I think that John would do well to continue to help Ivar adjust to his new home, and Ivar could help Mary and John to form a farm so they could be self sustaining and not have to worry about money so much anymore. The dance made them look more like a couple then as just friends, but I really saw their relationship as a friendship. 6mo
Caryl Very interesting answers here! I liked the ending, especially this part, from Mary's perspective: “You never knew in advance if a decision was the right one. All you could do was try to imagine the future and use that to help you make up your mind in a difficult situation, and if you couldn't imagine the future, well, you had to make up your mind anyway.“ (p. 182) And I'm realizing that I don't really need to know what happens next. 6mo
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CarolynM Happy birthday @rockpools 💕 I think Ivar. There is something about his simplicity and innocence and also his self possession that is very appealing to me. 6mo
Hooked_on_books I liked all the characters (of the main 3), but if I had to pick one, I would say Mary. She‘s so steady, clearly loyal, and also open-minded in a way I would not have expected for the era. I can probably also relate to her the most, which draws me to her. (And I tend to be more drawn to women and our stories.) 6mo
Bookwormjillk HBD @rockpools 🎂 I didn‘t have a favorite so maybe the animals or the island itself. Both of the main characters were hiding something pretty significant from each other and I didn‘t love that. Understandable because of the circumstances and language barrier, but it made it hard for me to connect with them. (edited) 6mo
Deblovestoread Hard to choose a favorite. I admired Ivar‘s ability to just live his life but I loved Mary‘s gumption. 6mo
rockpools Thank you @BarbaraBB @CarolynM @Bookwormjillk ☺️. I‘m hoping to catch up and join in tomorrow. 6mo
BarbaraBB I‘m with you @Hooked_on_books and @Deblovestoread although it‘s hard not too love Ivar too! 6mo
willaful @Hooked_on_books I also really liked Mary, perhaps because I could relate the most to her point of view. And I was pleased that she didn't let me down but stayed strong and sensible. 6mo
Ruthiella Happy Birthday to @rockpools ! 🥳 I liked Mary the best- her no nonsense attitude. 6mo
squirrelbrain I agree @CarolynM - I liked Ivar‘s simplicity and also the way he grew throughout the story. 6mo
LeeRHarry I liked Mary the best, pretty gutsy to go heading off to see what had happened to John. 6mo
Jess I have to go with Mary. I love her take charge attitude. 6mo
Soubhiville Happy Birthday @rockpools ! I loved Ivar, because of his contented nature living in solitude and his surprise and depth of feeling first with the portrait of Mary and then developing new feelings with John. 6mo
AmyG Happy Birthday @rockpools 🎂 I felt a connection to Mary, perhaps because I am a woman. I found her and her relationship with John fascinating. I saw her as a woman trying to survive in this world. Women had their own set of challenges back then. 6mo
kspenmoll I do love Mary for all her grit, devotion to her marriage, ability to weather change. But Ivar was my favorite- such a fleshed out character who experienced transformation 6mo
DGRachel Happy Birthday @rockpools! I don‘t have a favorite character. This was the kind of quiet book where no one person really stood out over any others to me. 6mo
JenReadsAlot I have to go with Ivar! 6mo
Laughterhp I don‘t think I had a favorite character. I‘m with @DGRachel where no one really stood out to me over others. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole Happy Birthday @rockpools 🌻 I loved Ivar. He‘s such a singular character. I did appreciate both John and Mary as well but for me, Ivar was the most interesting and just lovable. 6mo
mcctrish Happy Birthday @rockpools I‘m with most you, Mary and Ivar were my favourites 6mo
MicheleinPhilly I couldn‘t pick just one as they were all rendered so masterfully. So I‘ll go with Pegi. 😉 6mo
Megabooks Happy birthday @rockpools !! Sending a virtual cake! 🎂 6mo
Megabooks Like many have said, I loved Mary‘s bravery and steadfastness while remaining open to a very unconventional experience. 6mo
sarahbarnes I loved them all, but would probably say Mary, for her independence and unconventional love for John. 6mo
JamieArc I don‘t have a favorite either, but what I loved about each of them is that while they were all very different characters, they each had this ability to accept change in an empathetic way. They were strong, but not stubborn, and could make room for change to come. 6mo
Nessavamusic I liked all of the people, could I choose the island as a character? The environment/setting was such an important part of the book. 6mo
Kitta Agreeing with most people here that I like Mary the best. Sailing off after her husband would be a very unusual thing to do, for a woman alone at that time (I think?). And her acceptance of Ivar as well. @Deblovestoread used the word gumption and I agree! Great word by the way. (edited) 6mo
rockpools @ruthiella @Soubhiville @AmyG @DGRachel @Chelsea.Poole @Graciouswarriorprincess @mctrish Thank you! I really do need to get back to reading more books. I miss you guys! And thanks for the cake @megabooks 😘 6mo
TheBookHippie @AmyG I agree women in that age the choices not too many. I admired her. 6mo
TheBookHippie I liked the atmosphere & the setting the most. If that can be a character. 6mo
dabbe I'm with the ones who chose the setting. Without the isolated setting, there would be no story. For ex., would this story have worked if John lived on the mainland of Scotland? It is the isolation itself that makes Ivar who he is and created the need for communication between John and Mary and himself. It also creates the classic conflict of man vs. nature and then man vs. man and then man vs. society as the three are going to go back to humanity. 6mo
Meshell1313 Happy birthday @rockpools ! Did no one pick John. 🤣 funny how he seems to be the villain in all of this. I also admire Mary the most for her dedication and decision to go and find her husband. She could have just started a new life on the mainland but her loyalty is impressive. 6mo
yourfavouritemixtape I am also with @TheBookHippie the atmosphere was what struck me the most (and also what I will remember for a long time) 6mo
Suet624 @Meshell1313 I was thinking the same thing about John. Funny that no one picked him. I was very impressed with Mary‘s courage and ability to adapt to the possibility of all three being together. (edited) 6mo
BookWrym Happy birthday @rockpools I am joining those who chose the setting. 6mo
GatheringBooks Happy birthday, @rockpools. I will join all the others who mentioned Mary as their favourite. The no-nonsense, casual, intuitive way she sensed how her husband changed with Ivar, how she delicately assessed the situation, and basically took charge through the invitation of where there used to be two, there is now three. More than generosity of spirit, it was also taking charge of her life and knowing exactly what she can live with. Such clarity. 6mo
squirrelbrain Interesting that no-one picked John @Meshell1313 @Suet624 - I don‘t see him as a villain though, just not as interesting, even though everything revolves around him 6mo
Suet624 @squirrelbrain exactly. 6mo
DebinHawaii For me it was also the island which did seem its own character & was so vividly drawn I could see, hear, taste smell & feel it, followed by Ivar. I smiled the most when I read his chapters & liked his joy in simple things. He had great heart that touched mine. Mary is right up there too with her grit & strength. I felt sympathy for John but he didn‘t draw me in as a character nearly as much. 6mo
monalyisha I‘m not sure about favorite character…but favorite scene might be the passage when Ivar quietly speaks with his old blind cow, “telling her what he could see.” Never mind that the gorgeous fact that there‘s a word for “a big dark cloud with a whitish top through which the sun was shining,” but the tenderness that this scene conveys is beyond touching! How heartbreaking that he was forced to leave this relationship behind. 6mo
monalyisha I wouldn‘t choose John as a favorite character but I found his love of language especially endearing. The scene where he breaks down and cries, too, after their dance, and when he takes Mary‘s photo to the hermit‘s cave to speak with her. I think it‘d be difficult to see him as a villain, though it‘s equally perplexing to imagine why everyone seems to be so immediately enamored! His “bony, Presbyterian face” must‘ve cast a VERY strong profile! 😅 6mo
CBee Ivar - even more so after he told his blind cow about what he was seeing ♥️ 6mo
CBee Agree about the island and setting being a character! 6mo
BarbaraBB I agree @sarahbarnes that she was so unconventional and I loved that too about her. And what @JamieArc points out is true as well, that all three of them were willing to accept change, which makes Ivar and John quite unconventional too. (edited) 6mo
jenniferw88 Ivar was probably my favourite. Probably because LGBTQ issues are very close to my heart, I hated Mary and wanted her to die on the boat voyage over so that Ivar and John could have a HEA. It's obvious to me that John now thinks Mary is interfering and ruining the budding friendship (relationship?) with Ivar. (edited) 6mo
peaKnit Ivar was my favorite, he is so simple, gentle and self sufficient. He knits. 🧶 I enjoy Ivar‘s in my real life when possible. They can teach you so much. (edited) 6mo
peaKnit @CBee yes, his care for his animals is so special. 6mo
Maggie4483 It was definitely hard to pick a favorite - there's a lot of kindness in all of them. But Ivar was so sweet and genuine in his simplicity, and I really respect Mary's tenacity. I'd guess that the reason John didn't top anyone's list is because he made Ivar cry - he definitely lost points with me on that one. But then, I sympathized with him and the guilt he clearly felt immediately after, and the steps he took to apologize redeemed him for me. 6mo
Roary47 I would say that my favorite is Ivar. I enjoyed reading his sections the most. I think I like him the most because I didn't have many friends growing up so I would talk to my animals and care for them a lot like he did. 6mo
Caryl I enjoyed reading everyone's answers here! Today, I will choose Mary as my favorite character, mainly because I expected this to be a story just about Ivar and John. The inclusion of Mary's backstory, the decisions she made when she feared for John, and the graceful and loving way she moved into the next part of her story all surprised and delighted me. 6mo
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What a great discussion we‘ve had last week. Thank you all for adding so much to the book by sharing your insights, feelings and thoughts. The second half of Clear is where the action was so lots to discuss again! I‘ll post three questions again.

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Hooked_on_books I didn‘t see it as a love letter to language, though I like that read. I felt more that their learning of one another‘s language was a piece of getting to know each other and it fit the place in the sense of being a slower process for a slower way of life. I liked that reflection. 6mo
CarolynM I‘ve literally just finished reading the book so I‘m thinking very hard about that relationship. The forced proximity and isolation must be a big part of it, but communication strengthens connection and because they both had to work so hard on communication by learning each other‘s language I think they would have created a deeper connection than if communication had come easily. 6mo
Deblovestoread I also didn‘t see it as a love letter to language but did feel their connection grow along side their ability to communicate with each other. 6mo
BarbaraBB @Hooked_on_books @CarolynM @Deblovestoread Agreeing with you all. It made them feel more equal I think, both reaching out to understand the other. (edited) 6mo
willaful I think the authors own use of language was... a bit tricksy, manipulative even. I don't really mind because things turned out better than they were being foreshadowed. Everything seemed to be leading to horrible tragedy. 6mo
Ruthiella I see the love letter aspect of it. There is a real thrill when one starts to understand the nuances of a language not their own and appreciate the nuances of their own language which they may have previously taken for granted. Both John and Ivar (and vicariously the reader) get a taste of this in their ad hoc language immersion program. (edited) 6mo
squirrelbrain Interesting thought @willaful - I‘d love to know more about why / how you think the author was being manipulative. 🤔 6mo
willaful @squirrelbrain Among other things, it was strongly suggested that Mary would be shot and killed. 6mo
LeeRHarry I like storylines where language or lack of plays a large part in the narrative - how characters get around not being able to communicate well verbally. 6mo
RaeLovesToRead I don't really agree with the love letter to the power of language statement. I suspect the majority of John and Ivar's communication was non-verbal. The fact that John was enthusiastic about learning was probably helpful to their bond, and the author obviously loved researching it, but I didn't see it as the overarching theme of the book. 6mo
Susanita I can see the love letter aspect in how they both enjoyed going over the word lists as John refined some of the nuanced meanings. He understood that learning another language is about more than vocabulary lists. 6mo
Soubhiville I agree @RaeLovesToRead . I thought it was an interesting part of the story, but not one of the most important parts. I‘d say the author was more excited about rediscovering old language than I was about reading all of the words in Iva‘s tongue. 6mo
AmyG I also agree with @RaeLovestoRead. I think the learning of language to communicate bonded the two. Before the words they both had to rely on “non-words”….body and facial language. Knowledge of that first truly connected them….there was an intimacy there. They could read each other well before John even learned the language. 6mo
kspenmoll @AmyG Yes, agree with all- non- verbal body language began their bond. The words/ meaning John collected satisfied his natural curiosity & love of language/translation. This did interest me but I agree, not a central theme. 6mo
DGRachel As many have said, I don‘t really see the novel as a love letter to language, although I can see a point being made for a reflection of the author‘s love for languages. I think the struggle to communicate and the effort John and Ivar went through to communicate definitely increased the intimacy between the two. 6mo
JenReadsAlot I think their non verbal communication to start understanding each other was powerful. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole @willaful I was bracing myself for that! Something to happen to Mary that is. I was actually delighted that this book ended so happily. 6mo
Chelsea.Poole I can see why a reviewer would point out the emphasis on language in this novel. But I do agree with many who think Ivar and John had a connection regardless. 6mo
mcctrish @willaful I agree that I felt a strong sense of foreboding in the beginning but for John at Ivar‘s hands or both when the ship came back ( Ivar was certainly expendable so tossing John in with him doesn‘t seem a stretch to me as far as Lowrie was concerned) 6mo
mcctrish I think I do agree it‘s a love letter to language - yes Ivar and John can communicate non-verbally but John‘s methodical, list making attempt to understand Ivar‘s language shows intent to learn and document it and Ivar. For John it‘s just his way of understanding and sorting an unknown but for Ivar it‘s being valued, seen and accepted. Language in current times is being used the opposite way. 6mo
peaKnit I think learning one another‘s language showed the curiosity they had in one another, like any two people showing that deep interest in the beginnings of a relationship. Some learn lived experiences and in this case they show that spark through learning to communicate. 6mo
Megabooks @RaeLovesToRead that‘s a great point. I felt the verbal communication between the two happened more quickly than it likely would‘ve irl. @Soubhiville it seemed like a love project in studying that old language. @amyg agree that communication by gesture has an intimacy to it. @kspenmoll I love the curiosity and wonder both showed towards each other. 6mo
Megabooks @peaKnit I think the interpersonal and intellectual curiosity between the two was one of the best parts of the book! 6mo
CogsOfEncouragement I did find it interesting that John brought his work with him when he really should not have brought it to such a place, and it was all washed away. Literally. He then used the same paper to learn Ivar's language. One work of translation was erased and the same paper was used for translation of another language. 6mo
sarahbarnes I agree with what many here have said, in that John and Ivar had a strong nonverbal connection regardless of language. I also agree that it put them on more equal footing for John to try to learn Ivar‘s language @BarbaraBB - it showed vulnerability on John‘s part and a respect for and interest in Ivar (even if initially it was in order to be able to deliver the terrible news). 6mo
JamieArc While I agree about the non-verbal connection, I can see how this is a love letter to language. I feel like it was this interest in language, and the nuances, that deepened their time with one another. But I‘m a language person, and reading the meanings of the words, just how many words there are for different types of most, was fascinating and endeared me to Ivar‘s world. 6mo
JamieArc @CogsOfEncouragement I thought this was interesting too. There‘s a literary word for when this happens: palimpsest. The scraping or washing away of words on a document to make room for other words. I thought about this a lot while reading the story. 6mo
Kitta @JamieArc that‘s a wonderful word! 6mo
Kitta @Megabooks agreed about the pace at which Ivar learned English, it seemed incredibly fast to me as someone trying to learn a second language. It takes a lot of repetition and my brain often feel too full to continue sometimes haha 6mo
Kitta @Megabooks I also read the tagged after this, which includes a woman learning English quickly (though not as quickly as Ivar) which was an interesting juxtaposition. Her grammar was all wrong, but she was understandable quite quickly. I wonder how long it was that he was with Ivar? I can‘t get a sense of the timeline although I know it was mentioned. (edited) 6mo
TheBookHippie One, survival makes you learn a language more quickly as does being dropped somewhere and you must communicate -so the time it took didn‘t seem off to me as I‘ve seen it and experienced it IRL. My first experience walking beside Pakistani kids who had come from a refuge camp in Afghanistan I switched to Spanish without realizing it I wanted to communicate so badly. Fun fact it was Yiddish they knew besides Farsi 🤯 .. ⬇️ 6mo
TheBookHippie ⬆️ I didn‘t see it as a love letter to language but I see how one would think that. The non verbal and the time spent intimately and what that does/did and the reasoning for them being in that position in the first place and one being of the church was more fascinating to me personally. 6mo
dabbe I saw the term “language“ as being both nonverbal and verbal, a semiosis where ANY form of activity is used to produce meaning to one another. Once John and Ivar moved past just the symbols and signing to one another, then the learning of the actual words began. It reminded me of the ancient cave paintings on the wall as the beginning of understanding one another to the actual forming of words. John and Ivar simulated that same process to me. 6mo
Meshell1313 @CogsOfEncouragement I love this point! His work is still about translation. His important documents didn‘t matter anymore and instead the paper was used to make stronger connections in a place where rules and laws are non existent. 6mo
JamieArc @dabbe Yes, I agree that language here is more than just words. 6mo
dabbe @JamieArc 💚💙💚 6mo
Megabooks @Kitta interesting! I have Sweet Sting on my shelf, and now I want to pick it up soon. I think the timeline was weeks, and I know some people can pick up language quickly, but Ivar, as an adult who had only spoken one language previously, would presumably take a bit more time to master it just from a brain development standpoint. But each of us is unique so who knows! 6mo
Suet624 I saw it as a love letter to love. 6mo
BookWrym @CogsOfEncouragement great insight 6mo
youneverarrived It‘s Naomi‘s birthday today so haven‘t been able to join in but I‘ll catch up when I get the chance 🩵 6mo
BookWrym For me the discovery of language and building communication was the best part of the book. I liked the slow pacing that matched the setting completely. 6mo
willaful @Chelsea.Poole Oh, I absolutely was too! 6mo
willaful @mcctrish I felt foreboding all around! But it was a little too deliberate around Mary at the end. I don't really mind though. 6mo
GatheringBooks I love how it is framed as a “love letter to language” - it seems apt. Admittedly the glossary at the end with so many terms intimidated me a little bit and i thought it would be cumbersome to read but it wasn‘t. I agree with what @Megabooks says about the intimacy of “communication by gesture”. For me it was the nuance of the language that rendered the sensations evoked immutable and heightened the connection between two lonely people. 6mo
squirrelbrain Great point @RaeLovesToRead and @dabbe about the non-verbal communication! 6mo
squirrelbrain @JamieArc - I love the word palimpsest - thanks for highlighting it in this context! 6mo
dabbe @squirrelbrain 💚💙💚 6mo
DebinHawaii @JamieArc I think palimpsest may be a new favorite word! 💛 Beautiful. I agree that while I didn‘t read it thinking of it as a love letter to language, language both verbal & non-verbal played an important role & helped forge the intimacy. I loved the glossary & all the different words & took pictures of my library e-book. (I may have to buy a copy just for that). I think “nombrastom” (very thick mist) is my favorite. 🤗 6mo
monalyisha @Suet624 I saw it as a love letter to place! I think it‘s fascinating to think about how deeply language is tied to place. What‘s happening to our own language as we so thoroughly lose our connection to place? How does “virtual” place (online) tie into this discussion? 6mo
monalyisha I absolutely agree that the book is a “love letter to the power of language.” However, the word “scorching” has no place in the Scottish Highlands! We learned the words for “a big, heavy, snow-laden cloud”, “a dark cloud in frosty weather”, “a cold northerly wind”, “a cold, keen wind,” etc. “Scorching?!” Get right outta here with that misplaced adjective! 😅 6mo
Suet624 @monalyisha …a love letter to place. Yup! I agree. 6mo
Daisey @CogsOfEncouragement This is a really great point to emphasize about John‘s work with translation. 6mo
Daisey I agree with @monalyisha that it seems to be more a love letter to place. I do see it as expressing love of language, but more in the way of love and value of the uniqueness of each language more than the power of language in general. 6mo
CBee @Chelsea.Poole I was very worried and then, that beautiful ending ♥️♥️ 6mo
Chelsea.Poole @monalyisha great point about the relationship of language and place! 6mo
Chelsea.Poole @CBee my cynical heart was happy. 😊 6mo
CBee @Chelsea.Poole yesssss I understand 100% 😂😂♥️♥️ 6mo
BarbaraBB I love your point @CogsOfEncouragement 6mo
BarbaraBB @youneverarrived congrats on Naomi 🩵 6mo
BarbaraBB @Soubhiville Yes to your remark about the author being more interested in learning an old language than we! 6mo
BarbaraBB @TheBookHippie I can see how that‘d work. A beautiful example 💖 6mo
BarbaraBB @willaful The foreboding was everywhere indeed. The power of language 😀 6mo
Maggie4483 I'm late to the party, but I have to agree with @willaful - while part of me appreciated the happy(ish) ending, the false foreshadowing made it feel very anti-climatic.
And I think the author intended it to be a love letter to language, especially after reading the author's note. But while that may be the seed the story grew from, I think it evolved into something else.
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Roary47 I'm with you @maggie4483 in being a little late. Everyone made excellent points. I think it is a love letter of language as many of you noted the author really had a passion in bringing this old language back into light through this book. There is something powerful in communication. My mother is extremely hard of hearing and because she cannot hear verbally she feels isolated and often angry. As John learned Ivar's words Ivar seemed happier. 6mo
Roary47 @willaful I too felt cheated (even though I liked that it was a happy ending) that nothing extreme happened to the characters. However, I also feel after reading the authors note that the loss of Ivar's home because he was being forced to leave, and leaving the poor blind animal to fend for itself was really depressing as I likely would have felt if a character died. 6mo
BarbaraBB @Roary47 That comparison is quite fitting indeed. My mother is hard of hearing too and feels the same. I can very much see how feeling ‘heard‘ makes Ivar happy. 6mo
BarbaraBB @Roary47 In the end the ending wasn‘t as happy as it seemed I think. I loved that about the book and what the author did! 6mo
youneverarrived To learn each other‘s language was a form of mutual respect I think. It helped their relationship form beyond gestures etc. so I feel like it was an important part of their relationship. It did feel to me like a love letter to language - I listened to it on audible so maybe that made it more prominent. 6mo
Caryl @youneverarrived - Good point about showing their mutual respect for each other by learning each other's words. The audiobook just came in for me from my library, so I think I'll listen/reread it. I'd love to hear how the words are pronounced. 6mo
Caryl @CogsOfEncouragement and @JamieArc - I didn't catch onto the beautiful significance of John losing his translation work, and then using those pages to work with Ivar's words and his language learning. Thank you for mentioning that, and the word “palimpsest,“ which is the name of this graphic memoir I loved and was my first encounter with this beautiful word. 6mo
Caryl @monalyisha - All of Ivar's words that John was learning definitely helped me understand the setting. I loved that about this book. And I was puzzled by the use of “scorching“ as well -- misplaced adjective, indeed! 😄 6mo
BarbaraJean I'm so late to this discussion! But I wanted to respond to @monalyisha's questions on language & place—I also find this fascinating. I think as we lose a connection to place, we lose the specificity of language we see here: the sheer volume of words for clouds, mist, wind, and sea! We gain more universality in language, but we lose depth/shades of meaning. We also lose the connections that can be built as we try to understand another‘s language ⬇ 6mo
BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) …as with Ivar & John. I don‘t think they‘d have built the same connection if they‘d already had a common language. I think it‘s also fascinating to note that our discussion is in a virtual space—and taking place in English although English isn‘t everyone‘s first language. We touched on this a little in the first week‘s discussion with the different shades of meaning between solitude and loneliness. There‘s a measure of translation ⬇ 6mo
BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) …going on in our discussion, but in some ways, all language is translation—we are translating our experiences and thoughts into language in order to be understood, in order to forge connections with each other. And in translation, context (culture, place, etc.) really matters! John honors that with Ivar and it enhances their communication and their connection. 6mo
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sarahbarnes
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I loved this #CampLitsy pick. What a beautiful story. Can‘t wait to discuss the second half. 🩵

kspenmoll Me too 🩵💙💛 6mo
squirrelbrain Looking forward to the discussion too! 6mo
BarbaraBB So glad you loved it 6mo
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Soubhiville
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Great choice #CampLitsy! I really liked this. Looking forward to the discussion this weekend.

I have Davies‘ first book, West, on my shelf. Picked it up in a used bookstore in the last couple years. So I‘m moving it onto my #bookspin shelf to read soonish. ☺️

I found the ending a bit surprising. I don‘t want to give anything away, but did others? If you comment use the spoiler button.

Good morning from Venkman 🐈‍⬛🩷.

Soubhiville I was expecting Ivar to refuse to go or John to stay with him, or a death… I was very happy with the way it ended. (Don‘t forget the spoiler button!) 6mo
ElizaMarie I think I am in love with Venkman! 6mo
mcctrish The whole time I was reading I knew something was running beneath the surface but based on my inner demon I was leaning towards slaughter mostly 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ 6mo
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AmyG I did….but yet was not surprised. 6mo
sarahbarnes I loved this one too and now want to read more by her. 6mo
dabbe 🖤🐾🖤 6mo
BarbaraBB Yes that ending! We‘ll discuss it on Saturday! 6mo
Texreader Very surprising! 6mo
Hooked_on_books I was surprised by the ending but absolutely loved it. 6mo
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jenniferw88
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Librarybelle I‘m seeing so much love for this one. I think I‘ll have to stack it! (edited) 6mo
Graciouswarriorprincess I posted my review yesterday. So good! 6mo
Megabooks So glad you loved it!! 6mo
squirrelbrain Glad you enjoyed it! 6mo
BarbaraBB Glad you‘re a fan too! 6mo
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TheKidUpstairs
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I thought this #CampLitsy24 pick would be my kind of read, and it did not disappoint. A beautiful, quiet story about connection and humanity. In her spare prose, Davies created a richly textured world on this remote windswept island. I can't wait to discuss the second half this weekend with my fellow campers!

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Graciouswarriorprincess
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What a lovely story written about three lonely people. The prose is breathtaking and the surprise ending about love is so sincere and heartfelt.

#camplitsy

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Bookwormjillk
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I had to listen to the first half of this twice and read the week one #CampLitsy discussion just to figure out what was going on. Then finally the second half clicked and I loved it. Can‘t wait to discuss the ending this weekend! @Megabooks @BarbaraBB @squirrelbrain

Megabooks This is one I would‘ve found challenging on audio, so I‘m glad you stuck with it! See you at camp! 6mo
Bookwormjillk @Megabooks yes there were parts that felt like they went in one ear and out the other 6mo
BarbaraBB I read it in print but the second part went so much faster than the first! 6mo
Roary47 I feel the same way right now. 6mo
squirrelbrain I agree @Megabooks - I think I‘d have found it challenging on audio too. 6mo
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Karisa
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Just finished the audiobook read by Russ Bain. Fantastic voice, fantastic read set in a time I had not read of before, the Scottish clearances of the 1840s. The three main characters pulled me right in to this distant world. I would have loved even more of Mary and that ending—whoa. It‘ll be a great #CampLitsy discussion!

BarbaraBB I think so too - about the discussion I mean and especially the ending! 6mo
squirrelbrain Looking forward to further discussions next weekend! 6mo
Megabooks Really curious what everyone will say about the ending! 6mo
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Deblovestoread
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I very much enjoyed this short, quiet novel. Ivar, the lone survivor on a small Scottish island, finds an injured stranger, nurses him back to health and eventually learns the reason the stranger is on his island. 4.5 🌟

I look forward to #CampLitsy24 discussion next Saturday. @squirrelbrain @Megabooks @BarbaraBB

squirrelbrain Glad you enjoyed it - we chose well! 😃 (edited) 6mo
Megabooks Yay! Glad you loved it. Good book to start camp! 6mo
BarbaraBB Glad you loved it. I agree it has been a great one to start Camp with. 6mo
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kspenmoll
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Read4life 💙💙💙 6mo
Megabooks It was so good! 6mo
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Susanita
Clear: A Novel | Carys Davies
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The weather is delightful today. I‘ve finished my walk, and now I‘m just going to sit on the patio and read until myspouse gets home or I finish the book. #hyygehourreadathon

Chrissyreadit ☀️💛☀️💛 6mo
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Caryl
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So happy this one finally came in for me at the library! Halfway through, and looking forward to reading the #CampLitsy24 posts about it.

Ruthiella I got a late start on this one too. But it is short and pretty easy to read. 🤞 6mo
Caryl @Ruthiella, glad you're reading it, too! I'm really enjoying it. 😊 6mo
BarbaraBB Thank you for joining the discussion. You raised such insightful points! 6mo
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Megabooks Yay!! 🎉🎉 6mo
Caryl @BarbaraBB, thank you for leading this #CampLitsy24 discussion! I just finished reading the book and I‘m looking forward to the questions you post on the 15th. 6mo
BarbaraBB Me too! I‘ll probably post a bit later Saturday, but I will post!! 6mo
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