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The Mountain in the Sea
The Mountain in the Sea | Ray Nayler
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There's something in the water of Con Dao. To the locals, a monster. To the newly minted corporate owners of the island, an opportunity. To the team of three sent to study and protect, a revelation. Here developed, for an unknown number of years, the first known sentient species beyond humans in the modern era. Their minds are unlike ours. Their bodies are malleable, transformable, shifting. They can communicate. And they want us to leave.When pioneering marine biologist Dr. Ha Nguyen is offered the chance to travel to the remote Con Dao Archipelago to investigate a highly intelligent, dangerous octopus species, she doesn't pause long enough to look at the fine print. She will be the only scientist to have access to these octopuses, who just may hold the key to extrahuman intelligence.DIANIMA- a transnational tech corporation best known for its groundbreaking work in artificial intelligence - has purchased the islands, evacuated their population and sealed the archipelago off from the world so that Nguyen can attempt to understand the octopuses' sophisticated communications. But she may not have much time. Forces larger and more powerful than DIANIMA want access to the octopuses and are ruthless and innovative in their pursuit. And meanwhile, of course, the octopuses themselves may have something to say about it...
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Robotswithpersonality
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Cli Sci Fi? So much more than I thought it was going to be. So glad I didn't read the synopsis until after the book. The synopsis mentions 'a dangerous species of hyperintelligent octopus' and that feels like such a poor 'jurassic park' framing of the plot. Similarly the synopsis mentions 'the world's first android' (Evrim) and a 'battle scared security agent' (Altantsetseg) as well as Dr. Nguyen, but leaves out Rustem, Eiko and 1/?

Robotswithpersonality 2/? Minervudottir-Chan. This book is something of an ensemble piece, following linked storylines of characters; this would not be the same book without them. Eiko's and Rustem's storylines both consider in part the worst case scenarios hinted at by Evrim's existence: AI controlled by those with violent motives, or worse, pityless, profit-based motives. Evrim also stands as testimony to the positive possibilities, underlined by Rustem. 3w
Robotswithpersonality 3/? Eiko's experience witnessing and forced to participate in the insatiable harvesting of the seas is contrasted with Altantsetseg's rigid defense of a small nature sanctuary against continued onslaught of corporate greed. Minervudottir-Chan is a dark mirror for Ha Nguyen as they struggle with isolation and long for connection, and make mistakes in striving for it with science, but experience has led them to take different approaches when 3w
Robotswithpersonality 4/? encountering consciousness in a new species. I loved what this book explored in terms of artificial intelligence, the nature of consciousness, the relativistic judgement of intelligence and culture when navigating relations with an alien mind, the existential threat posed by humanity's continued environmental destruction, the importance of community, connection, the inevitable devaluing of and disconnection/dissociation from life resultant 3w
Robotswithpersonality 5/5 from a lack of connection. The writing managed to convey at turns quiet beauty, grim captivity, thorny linguistic and semiotic discussions, but overall a sense of wonder, a reverence for life and for science's illuminating and creative power that remains after violence, greed, cynicism, have all had their turn. I loved it.
⚠️Human trafficking, slavery, suicide, self harm
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Robotswithpersonality
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Novel addition to longstanding, widespread paranoia. Very plausible.

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For real? How gothic.
I should add that these chapter headings quotes are from books written by fictional characters, so some follow up research is probably warranted ...

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The beauty and importance of agender/non-binary pronoun options.
I love the way the Turkish 'O' is described.

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TobeyTheScavengerMonk
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This is not exactly doing what it says on the tin. Yes, it is a first contact narrative about a marine biologist studying a colony of octopuses in Vietnam who have developed their own culture & language of symbols, but that‘s layered with linked plot threads about human trafficking, artificial intelligence, & meditations on the human condition.

An eco-science tech thriller that brought a humanist Michael Crichton* to mind. Recommended if you ❤️🐙

TobeyTheScavengerMonk *Y‘know, before all the climate change-denial kookiness. 2mo
TieDyeDude Thanks for the review. I\'ve seen that gorgeous cover, but haven\'t looked into the book yet. 2mo
Shezareadingrainbowkid That cover is awesome 2mo
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I felt my mind expand while reading this.

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wanderinglynn Ooh, this is on my TBR shelf. I need to move it up on the list! 3mo
TobeyTheScavengerMonk @wanderinglynn At the half-way mark and it is rockin‘ so far! 3mo
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RedCurly
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Bailedbailed

I read the first 80 pages, but nothing really happend.

julieclair No point in wasting any more time. 👍 3mo
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jen_the_scribe
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It‘s my birthday today and several people whom I love dearly are all enablers lol. #bookhaul

BookmarkTavern Happy birthday! 🎂🎈🎁🎊 6mo
jen_the_scribe @BookmarkTavern Thank you! ❤️ 6mo
JessClark78 Happy Birthday! 🎊🎂🎉 6mo
jen_the_scribe @JessClark78 Thank you! ❤️ 6mo
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CBee
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I really liked this, but it took forever to read! I think I haven‘t been in the right headspace this past week and it‘s been difficult to focus 😵‍💫 This is definitely a book that requires concentration and less distraction - at least IMO. #readyourkindle #april 🐙

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julesG
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Another weird and wow book recommendation from @rachelsbrittain's #AuldLangSpine list.

Speculative Fiction of first contact with possibly sentient species, on Earth.

This was full of information about how brains work, how AIs gain sentience, how different species from humans might communicate with each other and (!) humans. And it's about how much of a planet destroyer humans actually are.

@monalyisha

#52bookclub24 - Features the Ocean

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Bookzombie
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#12BooksofChristmas #March

“The great and terrible thing about humankind is simply this: we will always do what we are capable of.”

Andrew65 Love the quote. 11mo
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Scott_BookInvasion
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I‘ve almost completed the audio and am curious to see how it wraps up. I like the sprinkles of ‘building minds‘ and would have like to see an extra helping of that part it kinda felt like a split POV version of ‘Arrival‘ but with an Octopus.

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Ddzmini
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I have to say this is a great read, it makes you think about possibilities. What would it be like to communicate with other… species of the world. How would the world react to an octopuses ability to communicate. I also wonder if the author is going to write another book that provides a future look into this process… great read

wanderinglynn That‘s good to hear. This is currently sitting in my TBR pile. 13mo
Tamra What a cover - have to do take a second look! 13mo
Ddzmini @wanderinglynn I really liked the chapter quotes 🙌🏽 @Tamra yes it‘s a good read 😊 13mo
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rachelsbrittain
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I had a really hard time deciding between Anne Boleyn and The Mountain in the Sea but ultimately decided the sci-fi book had to move forward. #2023ReadingBracket @chasjjlee

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BookwormAHN Lovely 🐈‍⬛️ 13mo
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Kboltz
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Love science, love octopi, loved this book. The mystery of the octopus on this Earth is alien. Loved how at the end I understood the AI‘s beliefs! Speculative fiction at its best. 🐙🐙🐙🐙🐙. Read it!

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rachelsbrittain
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My top read of July was The Mountain in the Sea by Ray Nayler #TopReads2023 #2023ReadingBracket @chasjjlee

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rachelsbrittain
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A scientist is brought to an island for a secretive project to determine whether a group of octopuses have evolved to create language and culture. But corporate greed and human indifference threatens the project and also all of humanity. And even if they can prove these octopuses are sentient, what will humans do about it? And perhaps even more importantly, what will the octopuses do about the humans? A first contact in the sea story.

Avanders Oooh. I recently bought this! 🙌🏽 1y
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rachelsbrittain
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Reading one book by Ray Nayler and just got an arc of another on Netgalley. I'd call that a good day!

dabbe The sweet, snoozing pup! 🖤🐾🖤 1y
peanutnine This picture makes me happy 🥰 ps love the color of your couch! 1y
rachelsbrittain @dabbe she's a big snuggle baby 🥰 1y
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rachelsbrittain
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Rainy day Sunday reading

Jenken1998 That cover! 1y
dabbe Da sweet pup looks just like my Kate when she was younger! 🖤🐾🖤 1y
ShelleyBooksie Awesome pic 1y
Gissy 🐶 🐾🐾❤️ (edited) 1y
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rachelsbrittain
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This weekend I'm reading about cephalopods, archeology adventures, and creepy language cults. #WeekendReads

ChaoticMissAdventures I am hearing such interesting things about The Center! 1y
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rachelsbrittain
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"There is no silence in the living nervous system."

#FirstLineFridays @ShyBookOwl

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rachelsbrittain
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Any litsy friends trying out threads? 👀

TiredLibrarian Following! I'm mbportley. I like it so far; reminds me of early Twitter! 1y
AmyG I am rockymtnamyg…and I am thrilled to be off Twitter. (edited) 1y
LibrarianRyan no. I refuse to use a zuckerburg product. I don't do facebook or insta. Plus if Threads is a negative as Twitter, i can leave that behind me. 1y
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rachelsbrittain @LibrarianRyan haha yeah fair enough! I've never loved twitter and I probably won't use threads much either but as a writer I do feel pressure to be on social media so here we are 😅 1y
LibrarianRyan @rachelsbrittain I get that. I figure everyone has their preferred platforms, and try out new ones until they find something new they like better. I can see the merits. 1y
rachelsbrittain @LibrarianRyan for sure. And at least litsy is still here when we get tired of the others 😂 1y
Christine I am there lurking, as my Twitter lurking has become unbearable! But I love a text-based public space. 1y
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rachelsbrittain
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A very appropriate pool read

DinoMom Is your dog on a pool float ? 😍😍😍 1y
rachelsbrittain @DinoMom yes! She jumps on it before I'm even in the pool 😂 1y
ShelleyBooksie Awesome pic 1y
sarahbarnes That is…amazing. 😍 1y
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rachelsbrittain
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My #WeekendReads . What are you reading this weekend?

Cinfhen Im also reading and LOVING 1y
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silentrequiem
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I went in for one book for a coworker's birthday present. Whoops.

kaleidoscope.reader The only purple house in town looks good 1y
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SpookyDonut
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Getting ready to start this one after finishing some witchcraft studying. I got this one simply for the first sentence of the summary. “Rumors begin to spread of a dangerous species of hyper intelligent octopus that may have developed its own language and culture.” #library #octopus #raynayler #themountaininthesea

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wanderinglynn
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Today‘s #bookhaul

This weekend is the member sale at Politics and Prose. So of course, I had to go.

AlaMich One of these days I‘ll get around to Kaiju… 1y
Fr3NcHtOaSt Kaiju is good but it slow builds to an ending which happens to quick. 1y
wanderinglynn @AlaMich that was my thought too. But then it was in the sale bin . . . 🤣 1y
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wanderinglynn @Fr3NcHtOaSt I‘m a Scalzi fan, so I‘m sure I‘ll like it despite its flaws. 😉 1y
Fr3NcHtOaSt @wanderinglynn oh it‘s great either way. Just saying. I still loved it. 1y
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amyrohn
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Wow. This book packs so much into it and I feel like I‘m going to be thinking about it for a long time. The topics discussed in here range from communication and consciousness in humans, animals (primarily hyper intelligent octopuses), and AI, to environmentalism and conservation. It‘s both scientific and philosophical, and it‘s clear how much research and work Nayler put into his craft. There‘s a lot to chew on here. Overall, I liked it, ⬇️

amyrohn particularly because of the themes and ideas presented. I would say the ideas are the main focus, and because of that I think some parts of the writing, namely character development, were a bit lacking. There was so much going on, and with one too many perspectives it got a bit clogged and didn‘t have much emotional weight. I‘d love to read more from this author in the future. 4/5⭐️ 2y
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Tonton
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Our oceans are in dire peril. This is a timely mashup of real science, oceanic changes, AI, Tibetan monk clones, massive and evil mega corporations, exiled islanders, and a robot too human for their own good partnered with a marine biologist hoping to discover how to communicate with the alien, fierce intelligence of the octopus- brains in 8 legs and a briefest of lifespans dying after making sure their eggs hatch. What‘s consciousness?

Tonton Food for thought and I find I can‘t eat octopus anymore. 2y
Lindy This book sounds good! I was at an Italian restaurant on Saturday and was shocked to hear that the daily special was octopus. I had honestly forgotten that some people eat octopus. 2y
Tonton @Lindy Japanese half: used to eat octopus sashimi and sushi; Italian half: broiled with lemon and olive oil. Now never. 2y
Lindy @Tonton 🐙❤️ 2y
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Bookzombie
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This was my pick for March‘s #12Challenge recommended by Soubhi. I loved this and it‘s my top read for March.

At least for a bit I wondered if some of this was too smart for me, but I was sucked in. I had to stop and watch videos of cuttlefish and then octopuses. This one definitely gives you a lot to think about. Just so good.

“The great and terrible thing about humankind is simply this: we will always do what we are capable of.”

Soubhiville I‘m so glad you liked it! I love watching cuttlefish videos, such an amazing little creature! 2y
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Lizpixie
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Another recent #BookMail was this very intriguing SFF book about sentient octopuses(or is it octopi?)in a near future that has humans(of course)scrambling to exploit them. I saw this on Litsy but can‘t remember who it was that loved it(sorry💁🏻‍♀️)and it sounded so intriguing. I freakin LOVE octopus🐙 , have you watched that video of a large one escaping a ships deck through a 10cm hole? Amazing creatures.
EDIT: it was @Soubhiville Thank you!

RaeLovesToRead Great cover! 💕 I was told it is Octopuses or Octopodes🐙🐙🐙🐙 2y
Soubhiville I‘m glad you liked it! I look forward to whatever this author does next! And yes, that video is incredible! 2y
Chelsea.Poole I love octopuses too!! I should give this one a go. 2y
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Oryx
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I loved this one. This reminded me of Michael Crichton (my teenage favourite author). I like when real science is extrapolated and mixed with a good story, and this does it well. It has octopuses, AI, hackers, what else do you need in a good read? I love octopuses ever since I read Sy Montgomery's book which gives me a slight bias.

julesG Sold! 2y
ShelleyBooksie I love Sy's writing!!! 2y
Kangaj1 This was in my 2022 top 10! 2y
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Oryx
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Book mail! This was a preorder, so it was 2022 me who is to blame, not current me 😇

Soubhiville Nice! I loved this one. 2y
Jas16 Oh I love that cover 2y
Kangaj1 Ooohhh, really different from the previous cover! 2y
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Soubhiville
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Wow I read a lot in December! Granted a bunch are short, and I worked long hours which means more audio time.

Quite a few faves this month! The tagged, Lark Ascending, Into the Planet, The Book of Eels, Nothing to See Here, The Light Pirate, and The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet we‘re all excellent. 📚😁

Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks How was the new Celeste Ng? 2y
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Wow!! That‘s alot of books in one month 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 2y
Soubhiville @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks I liked it a lot! It‘s frightening because it‘s a near future dystopian which isn‘t too hard to believe. But her writing and character always shine. 2y
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Megabooks Fantastic month! 2y
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @Soubhiville awesome!! Thank you!! 2y
Twainy I read & reviewed the ARC of the tagged book. I was shocked at the response to this book. I LOVED IT! (I only choose ARCs after I investigate the offered books so I‘m choosing books I‘m pretty sure I‘ll love but I was surprised so many people finally agree with me!) 5⭐️ 😁 2y
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Soubhiville
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I finished this a few days ago and I haven‘t stopped thinking about it. Beyond being a beautiful book, from dust jacket to edges to the cover underneath, I loved the story.

Complex Sci-Fi with AI and robots, oceanic science, sinister corporations, a big cast of diverse characters, and best of all an Octopus species with what might be a visual language and highly developed culture.

I devoured this and loved it. 5⭐️ for me!

Soubhiville Top left photo is our shower curtain 🐙💜 2y
Megabooks This sounds very cool! 2y
Oryx Oh I like the sound of this 2y
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bnp Glad you liked it. It's one of my favorite reads this year. 2y
Twainy I loved this story. 2y
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🐙🐙🐙 picked this one up because of the cover and my love and fascination with the octopus.

It was a dry, unfeeling but interesting read. It just didn‘t wow me.

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Elias1
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This book is so freaking good. Reminds me of Jeff Vandermeers Area X books a bit, more 'approachable' though. Revived me from months of reading slump.

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Soubhiville
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#TexasBookFestival purchases. There were two others I wanted to get today that had already sold out, so I‘ll be picking them up later. I‘ve got one more session to attend shortly, the one for the tagged book, which I‘m really excited to hear about. I‘ll try tagging the others below, including the two I couldn‘t get today.

Soubhiville Becoming Kaxan is from a small press and isn‘t in the database, but it‘s a children‘s book about a dog I groom 🐾💕! 2y
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This was part thriller, part philosophical musing, part sci-fi dystopian novel all based on the octopus. I have a fascination with cephalopods anyway and this book was about their intelligence which I really enjoyed. Lots of pondering on the nature of consciousness and being human. I liked all the parts and would recommend this book! 4🌟

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Ha, a scientist, is brought to a remote island chain to investigate tales of an intelligent sea creature living in the bay. What follows is a deeply thoughtful and thought-provoking exploration of consciousness, identity, language and connection, set against a background of artificial intelligence, corporate greed, and environmental devastation. A truly remarkable book.

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Decalino
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"There is no silence in the living nervous system."

Loving this one so far!

#FirstLineFridays
@ShyBookOwl

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DrexEdit
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Current mood. Interesting fore edge painting.

#currentread

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Twainy
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🎧 We‘ve got intelligent octopuses, dangerous octopuses & AI that‘s more human than human … need I say more?

It‘s a very thought provoking story. They hold the key to advancing the human brain, intelligence, need for sleep, etc. but will we survive the 1st encounter without a way to communicate?

Corporate greed. Environmental issues. The author did an impressive amount of research.

There‘s a lot going on! Definitely worth a reread.

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Reggie You had me at intelligent and dangerous octopi. 2y
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What would happen if we discovered a species of brilliantly intelligent octopus that had developed its own symbolic language and culture. Oh and also they are deadly dangerous and are actually discovered by the planet‘s biggest and greediest corporation. This is the premise of Ray Nayler‘s The Mountain in the Sea and it is a deeply inventive work of speculative fiction, perfect for readers who enjoy anthropological/ecological/linguistic themes. 🐙

HillsAndHamletsBookshop If you loved The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell then this is a book for you! 2y
Soubhiville The Sparrow is one of my favorite books, so you‘ve hooked me! This author will be at TX Book Fest in a couple weeks and I‘m looking forward to hearing him speak. 2y
HillsAndHamletsBookshop @Soubhiville oh nice! I bet that will be a cool talk. I haven‘t seen anyone else compare it to The Sparrow but they both have pretty serious elements of linguistic anthropology, exploring how communicating with “aliens” reveals all kinds of hidden layers of meaning within our own language-worlds. Definitely get him to sign your book, I bet this could be a sleeper for some of the sci-fi awards shortlists, it‘s really good! 2y
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