What Should I Read Next?

I want book recommendations for understanding issues from a conservative and libertarian perspective. For conservative I've read Charlie Sykes and that's about it. I've never read any libertarian lit. Please don't recommend any Fox news personalities. I really prefer political science and expert types. @Texreader, do you have any libertarian recommendations? I think you know that I have a limited understanding of the libertarian philosophy 🤣

Hooked_on_books I‘ve read this one. It‘s good, though I still felt just as bewildered when I finished it as when I started. Hopefully it‘s more enlightening for you.

Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right

Hooked_on_books And I don‘t know about this one yet, but I have it on hold from the library, so hopefully I‘ll read it soon.

Why We're Polarized

Sace @Hooked_on_books excellent! I already have that one! 4y

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Sace @Hooked_on_books err.... The Strangers one... I'll wait for your review on Polarized. I'm really struggling today (well every day) because I lean left but I'm trying so hard to understand how Trump is acceptable. 4y

AlaMich I‘m also a liberal but I really enjoy Charlie Sykes‘ podcast, The Bulwark. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace I loath him, no matter his party I would find him a sorry human being. But most of my family loves him, their posts on FB have been wild... they are sure their taxes will go up, the price of gas, their healthcare, etc, etc, etc at this point I feel like an need an interpreter to hold a conversation. But the big thing seems to be all politicians are corrupt, and he‘s not a politician...so therefore he is less corrupt than any politician. (edited) 4y

Bookishlie I am a left leaning conservative. A persons body is their own, marry/have sex with/ do what you want. My biggest thing is most Dems think government can fix their problems. I prefer to keep this at a state level. Don‘t like your states politics? Move. Easier said than done I know. To be honest I do not post my politics because I have found the opposite - democrats have been nasty and completely intolerant of people who do not share their opinion. 4y

Bookishlie I do not like Trump - but I do not see Biden as better and I think Harris is just as bad. I‘m not mad over the election. It‘s the political process. I hope and pray they do well because they are our leadership and to wish them harm is to hope to sink your own ship and no one wants that:) he couldn‘t make anything happen in 47 years of politics but now maybe he will be the solution. We need a viable third party. 4y

Bookishlie There is a book by Dan Crenshaw - republican out of Houston called fortitude. So far it‘s been pretty good but I haven‘t read the whole thing yet:) (edited) 4y

Sace @AlaMich Omigosh I listen to him every day! 4y

Sace @Bookishlie I am a Dem. My husband is like you a left leaning Repub who is absolutely done with GOP right now because of Trump the federal deficit and our state's politics. I just don't see how we can heal if we can't talk and I recognize that I am part of the problem because I am a Dem who can understand conservativism but just cannot accept that it has to look like Trump 😭 4y

Sace @Bookishlie I completely agree that we need a system that at least puts more parties in congress. Right now with just two voices the most extreme from each side seems to get the most attention. I'm Dem, but I don't agree with Sanders and AOC. BUT AOC is the duly elected representative of her community. We should respect that. I know people say the same about Trump, but my boss legit said to me⬇️ 4y

Sace "Trump doesn't represent who I am, or my values but I voted for him. What. The. Entire. F*ck." 4y

Bookishlie That‘s probably true. I would say at least half of the dems who voted for Biden would say the same thing. “He doesn‘t represent me but he‘s not Trump”. Few voted for Trump because they liked him. They voted for him because Biden probably has Dementia and Harris is a scary unknown quantity. The same reason Hillary lost. People didn‘t like her. I think the biggest difference is most liberals I know vote on politics not emotion. ⬇️ 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa oh that taxes thing slays me. CONGRESS HAS THAT POWER AND THE CONGRESS IS STILL REPUB. 4y

Bookishlie They don‘t care who‘s having sex outside of marriage, who is wanting to save the homeless and give them more stuff - they care about whether their neighborhood is going to burn, their healthcare is going to become so expensive it‘ll be unsustainable, and they are going to get the shit taxes out of them. And a lot more people voted for Trump then will claim so for ever 4 or 5 people you know who claimed they voted Biden - they didn‘t they were just 4y

Bookishlie terrified. 4y

Sace @Bookishlie I try so damn hard to be informed. And I get so mad that some people try to talk to me about Dems based on ONE source and I'm over here trying to find reliable info on conservative policy and people come at me with AOC and Bernie. STFU. Biden wouldn't be the candidate if the party was an AOC puppet. 4y

Bookishlie Honestly I am just glad it‘s over. The only thing that sucks is Trump will pull a Gore and frigging waste time and American dollars trying to legislate a loss. Did I mention I don‘t like him either *sigh 4y

Sace @Bookishlie That's what frustrates me. We ALL want safety and economic security. How have we gotten so Polarized about how to achieve that? Ultimately our goals are literally the same. 4y

Bookishlie @Sace Right! But same goes for Republicans. They are not Trump! I feel yeah. I have very liberal Bernie friends and try to understand their thinking. Some things they are very solid on. And I think the klobuchar is awesome! I‘m not mad at warren either. AOC drives me crazy - but hey so does Trump so.... 4y

Bookishlie This is how it‘s supposed to work two people have different opinions they talk they research and they get smarter. No screaming, yelling, name calling and unpleasantness. And sometimes it‘s ok to agree to disagree. Politics should not be a job. I think it should be like the reserves. If you aren‘t in active service you don‘t get paid. Becoming a politician should not be a way to get rich. 4y

Sace @Bookishlie and this is what I don't understand... Why aren't candidates like Klobuchar more viable? Also, Why do people assume that because I'm Dem I'm athiest and can't understand financial insecurity? I *am* religious and I absolutely *have* lived paycheck to paycheck. My child *did* eat free lunch (a govt program we need IMO). 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace And when they were in power last they gave tax cuts to the highest income bracket, not most of us. And gas prices is more your state‘s legislature and what taxes they put on gas and oil producing companies and countries like OPEC, not the President. Some of it is unfortunately lack of understanding of the way our government actually works. 4y

Sace @Bookishlie Amen. I want politicians who want to serve their country for a finite amount of time. Not to get rich and certainly not for decades upon decades. I wish there were term limits on congress. I could stand Republican after republican or dem after d if it weren't the same person over and over and over 😂 New blood and new thinking! 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa and I freely confess that I really don't understand the intricacies, but I do know that each state is different for a reason and that's why we can't disengage from LOCAL AND STATE politics. I used to, but not any more. So my state is Red, but my city just voted to raise property tax to support schools. That's how it works. 4y

Bookishlie Amen! I‘m sorry people are dumb. And I‘m sorry people have disrespected you. Litsy should be a safe place. Do what thou wilt, but harm none. That should be the goal. I think you‘re awesome:) 4y

Sace @Bookishlie oh, and if you are ashamed to admit you voted for Trump I think that's telling. Now, if you are loud and proud, fine, but understand that democracy means you need at least two parties and that means sometimes you lose. Keep voting. 4y

Sace @Bookishlie nope. No one disrespected me. I just feel like I'm being disrespectful. I feel shitty about it. But this is where I feel safest discussing it. But unfortunately it causes others distress too. I need to come to terms with some things clearly. I've been self reflecting for 4 years and I don't think now is the time to stop just because someone new is in power. How can I be a better citizen and better understand my fellow citizens? 4y

Bookishlie I don‘t think an opinion and asking questions is disrespectful. Maybe how that opinion gets expressed... but we are not perfect and humans are passionate as long as we aren‘t espousing violence and hate you‘re fine. I don‘t always agree with what I read but I feel smarter for hearing it:) 4y

Bookishlie Besides if They are THAT hurt or offended they don‘t have to follow or be friends with you:) then they do not have to expose their little snowflake feelings to your opinions 🤪 4y

Sace @Bookishlie Agreed. And I so don't want to be guilty of putting myself in an echo chamber and I think right now that's what I'm dealing with. The fear that maybe I have 😔 4y

Bookishlie Maybe on the echo chamber but not your fault. Most conservatives aren‘t going to surface right now. Give it a bit and they‘ll slowly come out of hiding:) you should try watching news on BBC - it helps me see things better when I watch what another country‘s news is saying about the US. It can be very illuminating. (edited) 4y

Blaire It is t from a conservative perspective, but I‘m currently listening to Ezra Klein‘s why we are polarized which looks at how are political system is the way it is and how views separate and different impacts. I‘ve found it really enlightening. 4y

Sace @Blaire just put it on my TBR. I'm trying to learn more. I have friends in other countries asking me questions and I'm like "I don't know why we...." ??and ? 4y

Blaire @Sace it‘s very helpful for those types of questions. I‘d also recommend listening to the daily podcast from the nytimes particularly the episode last month about the electoral college and how close it came to being abolished. 4y

Sace @Blaire I'll look for that. Hoo boy the EC is a hot button for me. 4y

Sace @Hooked_on_books pulled Strangers off my bookshelf and started perusing the intro. Very glad to read the author is coming at it from a sociological perspective and not political/issues perspective. 4y

Hooked_on_books Yeah, I really liked her approach. I found the book really accessible. The logic of the people in it, not so much. 4y

Sace @Hooked_on_books Ha! Yep.I‘m already struggling 😂 4y

Chrissyreadit @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m dying over taxes!!! Do people realize trumps tax plan increases our taxes over the next two years!!! 4y

Chrissyreadit @Bookishlie I‘m very progressive and liberal and also agree that state got a should be more vital because every region is different- my struggle is states that have disenfranchised so many people - but that is a discussion I‘m happy to have and would love to see more local investment in Civics. (I think this is exactly where we should all be talking too) 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit Nope, but when we can‘t get the Senate to reverse it, they‘ll be sure to blame Biden. I wondering now how long it will be until it‘s Biden‘s fault our COViD numbers are so bad, I‘m sure Jan 21 or 22. I feel the same way about the deficit too, Republicans are always going on about how we can‘t to anything without finding things to cut somewhere else, until they are in power and then, who cares, it doesn‘t matter anymore. 4y

Chrissyreadit @Bookishlie @Sace if there is a book and discussion you ever want to have I‘m happy to join- I say that because I LOVE Bernie and AOC but am completely open to hearing and discussing other views. I suspect it‘s because our life experience and priorities vary but we all want safety and security. I very much believe it is possible when we don‘t think of everything as winner take all. 4y

Chrissyreadit @Sace I wish I had seen your threads earlier- they are wonderful! There is a range of agreement and disagreement and recognition that a conversation can be had. I‘m still emotionally struggling over the non functioning govt we will have because of polarization. Also I did not know dems were perceived as wealthy. In NYC they tend to be poor and working class. Republicans tend to be wealthy. 4y

Chrissyreadit @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yes- that really has been my struggle. From an economic standpoint there are many ways we can trim a budget and support people. But if states that trend red really had to survive on their policies without Medicaid and free lunch they might begin to realize the connection of taxes, job security and safety nets. Sometimes I want to say, let‘s form separate countries. I‘m ok with that. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit I know exactly what you mean. I had those thoughts after Hurricane Sandy in the NE where they stalled and stalled to provide support, but there was a chemical explosion in the south, aid was approved right away. My friend who lives in NJ, worked in NY was livid, because the NE pays in a lot of taxes, but couldn‘t get the help back when they needed it and I had never really thought about it that way until discussing it with her. 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Charlie Sykes has been saying that now that Biden is in office all the Rs will suddenly be the fiscal conservatives that conservatives are supposed to be 😑 4y

Sace @Chrissyreadit 😂 See I'm not a fan of AOC or Bernie BUT AOC is the duly elected representative of her district and her voice is important because it means more people are being represented. And I don't think compromise is a bad thing. Compromise on military spending. Not education, infrastructure and social programs. Lol 4y

Sace @Chrissyreadit where I am Dems are perceived as either POC OR overeducated hoity toity kale eaters. 😂 4y

Sace @Chrissyreadit @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I haven't read much of the tagged book, but a theme seems to be not taking govt handouts but bemoaning the loss of community that helped each other. I would rather a safety net be there for anyone who needs it and not have people begging from neighbors. Also, chemical plant is business/corporate... They always get help first. Trickle down economics=ain't nothing trickling down. 😑

Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace I find it interesting that they demonized education to the point that they can‘t listen to scientists about COVID or the environment, and Biden is elitist, but Trump born with a golden spoon in his mouth is the blue collar guy who made his own fortune. I know some of it is to be expected, Big Tobacco worked forever to make people doubt scientists, to sell product...it‘s just weird to see a whole party double down on all of those ploys ⤵️ 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ..from climate change, to oil/coal vs green energy, to now COVID and masks. I have this book that I really need to get to soon

Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why It Matters

Riveted_Reader_Melissa But in my area, they dug coal when my Grandmother was a child, it‘s long gone, but people here still had out “Trump Digs Coal” signs 4 years ago, because he was going to bring back the coal industry. But yet they couldn‘t understand the coal was gone, already mined, and it was horrible for the environment and the miners. Trump couldn‘t put it back, or make it the booming business it was in the 1930‘s when everyone burned coal for heat. And ⤵️ 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I highly recommend that book. I read it soon after the 2016 election. It's not just education, it's that most people (even myself) tend to be perfectly content to get news from one source. And I confess that I can be guilty of it too. This idea that the country is going to devolve because Biden is in office is ludicrous. The R party has spent the last 40 years reshaping the ⬇️ 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ↪️ they could cheer for that, but not for green new jobs coming that created energy too. Windmills apparently cause cancer, but black lung isn‘t a fear. It‘s a weird disconnect that I still don‘t understand. Sometimes I think they like the man, and would cheer anything he touted, because they thought it would make them the same supposedly self made millionaire he was (nevermind the “small” loan he got from his father to start out).🤷‍♀️ 4y

Sace Judiciary. There are 3 lifetime appointees to the Supreme Court. The Senate in all likelihood will remain R. For the most part day to day life and the quality of it is at the mercy of local and state govt. If you you are still struggling even after the last 4 years, having Trump or Biden in office is not going to radically change much of anything. 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa yes! That disconnect! I just don't get it. And maybe folks think the same of me... 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace I know my relatives think it of me. It‘s almost like we cheer for opposing sporting teams and it‘s a game to them. My dad is already posting things on Facebook about “Nice Win Joe, it be a shame if someone cancelled it” with a picture of Amy Comey Barrett...and I‘m like, that flirting with a coup, right, put in someone days before an election that overturns that election, not really something to joke about. But he thinks it‘s funny.🤷‍♀️ 4y

Chrissyreadit @Sace that‘s so funny I‘m totally a kale eater and my husbands family thinks high school diplomas are over educated- I‘m getting a second masters 🤣 but I‘m so poor it‘s pathetic- seriously I make under the median because I live in WV. 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa This! I‘m struggling with the fact that other republicans aren‘t saying a word. It‘s starting to hit me that really the democracy we are so proud of is really just the honor system. In the past it was a given that the losing candidate would concede and that‘s just not the case. I can‘t support calling the election into question and no one is stopping him. 4y

Chrissyreadit @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace I agree the disconnect makes no sense to me and none of this is funny. And I‘m furious again that the things I want do not limit anyone‘s rights or make it criminal to exist and the current trump platform is about limiting my rights and supporting industries that will result in harm to people and animals. I do not know how to stop being angry and I do not think I should stop being angry. 4y

Chrissyreadit Also I hate amy coney Barrett religious my ass. She‘s a conniving controlling hypocrite 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit The hypocrisy drives me crazy! Women are too emotional to be POTUS, but the whole country is waiting of a grown man to “come to terms with his loss”, Hillary lost by a slimmer margin, I didn‘t see her pouting for days. They are already talking about him running again or starting a media company, but Hillary was told to go away an be quiet. And honestly if he really wanted the job so bad, shouldn‘t he be meeting with experts about⤵️ (edited) 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Our epidemic spike, instead of golfing and sulking. He managed to fire someone by Twitter in the last few days, but can‘t bother with a post about “thoughts & prayers” or lower a flag to half mast. I just don‘t understand how they can‘t hold each individual to the same standards. For instance, Hillary was supposedly running a secret child trafficking ring out of a pizza place‘s basement, that they were so convinced of an armed man went to ⤵️ 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa “Rescue” them even though he found out it had no basement. But Trump‘s hanging with Epstein and, shrug 🤷‍♀️, but Biden‘s creepy for hugging kids at events. Like aren‘t politicians always supposed to shake hands and kiss babies, and all that? It just feels very disingenuous to me. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit As far as Barrett, she supposedly believes in deferring to her husband, but she hyphenated her last name and became a judge. Those things don‘t go together either. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit And that‘s about where I‘m at. I think 4 years ago, I was where @Sace was, I wanted to understand....and the past 4 years taught me, you can only understand so much, then you have to decide somethings just aren‘t right...infringing on equality is not negotiable, taking kids away from parents seeking asylum is not a policy, it‘s just cruelty (and honestly inhuman), and trying to overturn an election results is undemocratic. And ⤵️ 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I‘m at the place where it‘s ok to be mad when people are being hurt, to be otherwise would be a very bad sign. A great book for that, for not being the “good girl” the “silent and not heard girl” is Rage becomes Her, because all of that is silencing decent.

Rage Becomes Her: The Power of Women's Anger

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sorry for venting and monopolizing your thread there. 4y

Chrissyreadit @Riveted_Reader_Melissa I need to read that book too- I can honestly say I‘m comfortable with my rage most of the time- and agree with everything you said. I think we will only get angrier until the govt is responsive to everyone. This is not a game but it sure feels like it. A functioning govt should never be about winners or losers because everyone is on the same team, but brings different needs and skills to the team. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit Exactly! It needs to work for everyone, as a country we only function and get better as we all get better. What‘s that old saying, a chain is only as strong as it‘s weakest link. So instead of trying to understand why people believe such opposing things at times, I‘ve been reading more about where some of these ideas originated. Now I‘m reading Loaded, about the history of guns and the 2nd Amendment, earlier this year I read ⤵️

Loaded: A Disarming History of the Second Amendment

Riveted_Reader_Melissa I read One Person, No Vote about voter disenfranchisement, so at least I understand some of the arguments and how they got started and gained steam, which for me actually helps.

One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression Is Destroying Our Democracy

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Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit I am really enjoying your comments! I love Litsy but I wish it was a little better for conversation 😂 I don't think I even now how to express my feelings anymore. There was a lot of crappy, harmful, racist policy before T (dem and Repub I might add) and until we get our collective shit together there will continue to be crappy, harmful, racist policy. Also, ⬇️ 4y

Sace And this is just me, as a white political lay person* in the US I have no right to look at any policy and determine how much it hurt or benefit a minority population. So when I hear whitemanity say "oh so and so's policy was really great for ___" I roll my eyes. Right now my opinion is that the govt was created by and for elite white males and it has to change. 4y

Sace *Because you can be Hispanic and white 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit I'm also here.... 1. The founding fathers caved to slave owners too much. 2. The south is the reason EC reform failed in 1970 3. The southern strategy is why we are here today and if most Republicans aren't racist it's starting to feel like they are at least complicit in their silence 4. Democracy needs multiple parties. Right now we are stuck with just 2 viable parties and in the race to see who is most⬇️ 4y

Sace Extreme, the right seems to be winning but ironically they just accuse the left of extremism. I hate to tell folks, but if the left were so radical and socialist, Joe would never have been the candidate. 4y

Chrissyreadit @Sace honestly I agree with everything you said 100% and am angriest that this country is being held hostage by the states that are limiting rights and bleeding this country economically. I‘m hoping for Georgia winning- but I‘m horrified with the house and the senate considering that the balance of power is still extremely out of the hands of the majority of this country. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace The more I read, the more I agree. It is the white elite capitalist males. In the book I‘m reading now, it talks about the founding fathers not only being slave owners/traders, but land speculators...which was taking land from natives to sell or monofarm (plantation), they were capitalist making money at the expense of others from the beginning. And whether you are talking about Smoking in the past, or Oil and Climate Change now, a lot⤵️ 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Of the disinformation starts with big companies hiring their own “scientists” to publish their own studies to say “smoking is good for you” “climate change is natural and not man made” etc, etc and with the Internet that‘s ramped up exponentially, to creating their own websites, videos, experts, official sounding groups, etc. And once they realized how much people were listening, they could create media around that stuff, talk radio, broaden the 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Viewers/listeners. And then become political, use your science to lobby for changes that effect your profit margin the best, including tax cuts, which you can use to pay lobbyists, to get better rules for your industry...and now you have a bunch of citizens that agree with you, and can fund some political campaigns. You can nudge those politicians to approve judges who have written judgements that seem to support your causes, and over time larger 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Windfalls like Citizens United judgements might come your way and make it all more legal. And as corporate interests and politics cozy up more, of course political conspiracy theories will gain ground on your media outreach, after all you want the politicians who support you to stay in power. ^Sounds like a huge conspiracy theory when I write it out though. 🙄 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace I‘ve actually seen something like that in a meme...extremist right vs extreme it‘s left. Right wants this this and this limited. Left wants what they already have in other democracies in Europe...equal wages, education, universal safe from harm standards, etc. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Chrissyreadit it helps to remind yourself that by popular vote, most Americans agree with moving forward together. If we didn‘t have things like the Electoral College, most of the last few elections would not even have been close (it is also a hold over from colonial days, where land mattered & who held that land). If we could actually be more democratic, and get rid of things like gerrymandering, I think the country would be in a better place 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa Yet somehow equal wages, education etc is socialist. It drives me BSC. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is saying “Ya'll are super conservative.“ And yes, most americans actually agree on some things, but 2 major issues seem to be dividing us: abortion and gun control. SAVE LIVES! LET ME KEEP MY DEATH MACHINE! It's like the protests during the election “Stop the count!“ “Count every vote!“ I can't deal with it anymore 😂 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace I understand that. I‘m reading about the history of the second Amendment now, so the gun issue is central. But yes, it‘s the two opposing views, and whichever one suits my interest at this second, that drives me crazy too. It‘s like pick one or the other, not just whichever wins this argument and then flip 10 seconds later. I feel that way about the abortion issue and almost every other....you have to protect the unborn, but once ...

Loaded: A Disarming History of the Second Amendment

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ...they are born you are against feeding them, housing them, or educating them...then their parents are just labeled as lazy so it‘s ok if the kids suffer? Maybe if you want to stop people from seeking abortions, make it a society that raises kids together better, supports parents and kids, instead of this labeling as good and bad and just passing judgement and making them feel inferior, fix the root problems. 4y

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa My daughter and I have been discussing this a lot lately. She is frustrated that feminists/activists sometimes focus so much on access to abortion that they sort of forget about other issues important to women like childcare, health care and housing. She's been nagging me to read Hood Feminism

Hood Feminism: Notes from the Women That a Movement Forgot

Sace @Riveted_Reader_Melissa and I do need to read Loaded. I'm not sure we can truly take guns away, but I really hope we can get some more control and eradicate the gun culture. I honestly hate guns, but hunting is very popular here and I've had some really good conversations with students about guns and gun control. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace I‘d be happy with just some gun training, and universal background checks. If I can be put on a list not to fly because of shifty behavior, I should get at least the same scrutiny for buying guns, especially if I‘m buying large quantities of guns in a short time period. 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa @Sace As far as feminism, I think it‘s because abortion means different things to different people. Just like birth control. For extreme anti-abortion people, that includes birth control, that‘s why they‘ve fought to deny birth control in some health care plans in some companies, because they don‘t support abortion. And birth control not only prevents pregnancy, but it is also used for its hormone content to treat a lot of medical issues. So⤵️ 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa ..for many women abortion is a slippery slope, and once that falls, many birth controls that prevent implantation, but not fertilization will become illegal. I was on birth control from the time I was young to regulate irregular hormones/periods , but that wouldn‘t be available anymore. It sounds crazy to me to get rid of birth control if you want less unwanted pregnancies, but it‘s part of what many look at as anti-abortion “medications”. And ⤵️ 4y

Riveted_Reader_Melissa Sadly, making abortions illegal, doesn‘t stop them....they still happen just in unsafe conditions, at least for the poor, the rich will just fly to Europe and get one there. And that‘s not even getting into the tiny facets of invitrofertilization, or abortion to save the life of the mother, that many of these groups are against as well. 🤷‍♀️ 4y

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