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Steife Prise: Ein Scheibenwelt-Roman | Terry Pratchett
Die Welt ist eine Scheibe. Schneiden Sie sich eine neue davon ab. Das Leben ist grausam zu Samuel Mumm, Kommandeur der Stadtwache von Ankh-Morpork: Seine liebende Ehefrau Lady Sybil hat sich mit Lord Vetinari verbndet und Sam zu zwei Wochen Landurlaub auf dem hochherrschaftlichen Familiensitz verdonnert. Fr den berzeugten Stadtbewohner, der zudem jede Form von Unttigkeit hasst, die Hlle auf Erden. Doch zum Glck bewahrheitet sich bald die Regel: wo ein Cop, da auch ein Verbrechen. Schnell steckt Samuel Mumm auf dem angeblich so idyllischen Lande bis zum Hals in der Aufklrung gleich mehrerer Missetaten von Drogenschmuggel bis Sklavenhandel. Wilde Fluss-Verfolgungsjagden inklusive ...
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Robotswithpersonality
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Reread confirms it. Still my favourite book. The one that got me out of a decade long reading slump two years ago, before I'd read any other Discworld books. Having now read all of them, and reread all the City Watch books, I'm overjoyed that it lives up to my memory. 1/?

Robotswithpersonality 2/? Vimes remains a character who you regularly see thoughtfully consider the challenge to his own assumptions and then do better as a result. Pratchett's writing in his voice is fully developed.

While Thud! does a lot for Vimes, this is the only book that really moves from including Vimes as the head of an ensemble in the City Watch, to being primarily his story with a new supporting cast.
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Robotswithpersonality 3/? Reading this book is always bittersweet because I wonder what other adventures we could have had with this character if Terry had had more time. I dearly wish, he had had more time.

Regarding the supporting cast, I also wish we got other books with Willikins the bad ass butler!
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Robotswithpersonality 4/? Pragmatic hope, the reality that humans are flawed with the open possibility that they can surprise you in a good way; it feels like the essence of watching Vimes discover new things about the world he thought he knew, and I love it. 12mo
Robotswithpersonality 5/5 It's not without its flaws:
Puns around Feeney 's meals and fighting style are as wince worthy as they were the last time I read it.
If the goblins and their denigration and enslavement are a metaphor for the history of racism then Vimes comes dangerously close to a white saviour figure. However if the lesson has to do with animal rights, he doesn't. I think it's up to interpretation.

⚠️speciesism/racism, enslavement
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SaunteringVaguelyDownwards
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Sam Vimes proves that he is unable to detach from his work by solving crimes on vacation at his wife's ancestral country house. His growth as a character is really on full display here as he argues for goblins to be considered human.

With this read, I've achieved my goal of reading all the Night Watch Discworld books this year! Prachett fans - which arc should I read next? The wizards? The witches?

#Discworld #ReadingGoals

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Twainy
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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I‘ve now completed my City Watch collection of 8 books. 🎉

SpeculativeFemale Love that cover! 2y
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Jari-chan
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Did I mention that I don't like the new German covers? At least the story stays the same and that's what matters most.

This one dragged a bit and felt a tiny bit too long, but I still enjoyed the book. How could one not love how Sir Terry addresses racism? In such a lovely way. Only Terry Pratchett can make a feel good story out of this topic. And add something cute and innocent right next to violence and darkness.

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khooliha
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Mehso-so

Parts if this novel are marvelous, parts of it are a slog, and parts of it leave a very bad taste in my mouth. I think the Vetinari speech at the end is a very sour note! And this is also the last Vimes book and, well, I wish it had come together better.
#OokBOokClub

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BookmarkTavern
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Commander Sam Vimes‘s family vacation is interrupted by a brawl, a murder, drug trafficking, slavery, an examination of complicity in the face of atrocities, and the question of what makes a person and who should be protected by the law.

An intense read, with a bit of a slow start. Sam Vimes is in my top five favorite characters. Ever. His growth, his gruff compassion, his ability to look at himself and do better, just *chef‘s kiss*. 🌕🌕🌕🌕🌑

BookmarkTavern #OokBOkClub This makes me want to go back to Guard, Guards! immediately, but I recently loaned it out to my father. 😅#SeriesRead2022 @TheSpineView (edited) 3y
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khooliha
Snuff | Terry Pratchett

Still working through this book and I can honestly say this is the first Discworld book where I want more of the Colon plot. #OokBOokClub

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julesG
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Hello friends! Open discussion is in the FOLLOWING POST marked as a spoiler. Find the #Snuff post & tap "show me" on the spoiler tag to join in the discussion. Join in whenever you can! Today. Tomorrow. Next month! The post will always be up so just tag each other & we'll jump in to discuss with you. Feel free to chat about anything!

#Discworld #SirTerryPratchett #TerryPratchett #PratchettPosse #ReadAlong #BuddyRead #EpicBuddyRead

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julesG
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Welcome to the #OokBOokClub open discussion for #Snuff feel free to discuss anything! Don't forget to tag each other in the comments so your friends can see your reply. Have fun!

#Discworld #SirTerryPratchett #TerryPratchett #PratchettPosse #ReadAlong #BuddyRead #EpicBuddyRead

Soubhiville I love Pratchett‘s way of humanizing all of his races. Getting to know the goblins better was touching. I also got a kick out of his glee of the gross. Between the goblins and their snot pots and Young Sam and his poo obsession, not to mention how awful he always describes the river as being. 3y
Soubhiville One of my favorite quotes (this is from memory, definitely not word for word) is about the countryside being nothing but trees, which are just tall weeds with really thick stems. 😆 3y
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Soubhiville Do we think Nobbs has found love at the end of this one? I felt like he maybe has! 3y
BookmarkTavern I love Sybil so much! ❤️ Her no nonsense support of Vimes, what she accomplished at the end with Tears of the Mushroom. And while I was listening, I had to stop to dig out my physical copy so I could highlight so many lines, including the quote “Goodness is about what you do. Not who you pray to.” 3y
khooliha @Soubhiville I think Nobby has and, honestly, I'm thrilled for him! He has been the biggest surprise of this reread - I really do love Nobby, who seems to have more going on than any character gives him credit for. 3y
khooliha Hey, why is this book titled Snuff? I still do not get it. 3y
khooliha I wish that this book had taken place more in the city, for the sake of the theme of assimilation (which it totally drops at like the 60% point), and I -really- wish we had seen more of Colon's state from his own point of view, but that's because that's the sort of storyline I LOVE. 3y
khooliha I really hate that this is the second Watch book in a row where the 'solution' to a revolutionary is to make them a cop! Justice for Reg and Jethro! 3y
khooliha Oh, also, I found the human villain (Stratford?) a very frustrating device - he's Bad and Dangerous, terribly so, but also our leads pretty much always have the jump on him, rendering him not much more than bad intentions. He also isn't enough of a foil to work as a metaphorical evil, I don't think. And it took over half the book to introduce him! He's a weak link, to me. 3y
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Soubhiville
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Vimes is forced very reluctantly by Lady Sybil to take a vacation. They go to her family‘s old manor in the countryside, which is full of trees, which according to Sam are just tall weeds with strong stems. 🤣

A lot of this one is about the plight of goblins, who at the beginning of the book are considered vermin and have no rights. I love Pratchett‘s way of showing the evolution of thoughts of one character then all of Anhk. Loved of course!

Soubhiville @TheAromaofBooks this was my #doublespin this month, a reread I‘m so happy to have spent the day with! 3y
Soubhiville #litsycrafters most of my veggies are in containers on shelves to keep safe from the wild bunnies 🐰😆. Tonight I‘m cooking up some of this Swiss Chard. 3y
Crazeedi I need to post some pics of my garden , I've been planting for a week or more!! I need to get a note written back to you soon 3y
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Catsandbooks Those bunnies can be quite mischievous! Enjoy your Swiss chard! 3y
TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!!! 3y
MemoirsForMe 🙌🏻🪴🙌🏻 3y
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khooliha
Snuff | Terry Pratchett

Okay, like, at the end of this fight with the blacksmith who hates the rich? When Vimes tries to be like "listen, I'm a normal dude" and then the blacksmith gets threatened by the existence of all his powerful connections? Like, is this book going to connect the dots? I don't remember. This is frustrating.
#OokBOokClub

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khooliha
Snuff | Terry Pratchett

I realize that I am only listening to this book while driving around, but I'm just over 2 hours in and nothing has happened??? There's been a suggestion of a wisp of something happening.
#OokBOokClub

julesG Agree. It seems to drag. 3y
khooliha @julesG This is only my second time with Snuff, but I remember being unimpressed. 3y
julesG It's my first time (I know, heap on the ashes). I'm putting it off every chance I get. 3y
khooliha @julesG I know I read it when I was in grad school (because it was the book on deck a memorably bad day where I and all my belongings got soaked), and grad school I not the best mindspace to take in anything! I'm hoping it picks up, that part of my problem was my context, but I am getting less hopeful. 3y
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julesG
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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#OokBOokClub-ers, our Discworld adventure continues TODAY with #Snuff!

Looking forward to our discussion next month!

Happy reading!

#Discworld #SirTerryPratchett #TerryPratchett #PratchettPosse #ReadAlong #BuddyRead #EpicBuddyRead

slategreyskies @julesG thank you for continuing to tag me, but I think you can stop now. I never have actually gotten around to reading along with these books. Maybe someday! Thanks again! ✨ 3y
julesG @slategreyskies No problem. Let me know if you want me to tag you again. 3y
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LitsyEvents
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Repost for @julesG:

#OokBOokClub, #BuddyRead

Just a friendly reminder that next month we'll be reading #Snuff! Dig out your books, put in your library holds, or place your orders! The next Discworld adventure continues on May 8th! Woohoo!

If anyone wants to be tagged/untagged for future posts please let me know! Happy to oblige!

original post: https://www.litsy.com/web/post/2392554

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julesG
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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#OokBOokClub

Just a friendly reminder that next month we'll be reading #Snuff! Dig out your books, put in your library holds, or place your orders! The next Discworld adventure continues on May 8th! Woohoo!

If anyone wants to be tagged/untagged for future posts please let me know! Happy to oblige!

#Discworld #SirTerryPratchett #TerryPratchett #PratchettPosse #ReadAlong #BuddyRead #EpicBuddyRead

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SolaRaynor
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Eclectic TBR Bookstack. Looking forward to it!!

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ddbookreviews
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Next on my tbr list. Last discworld to read...maybe I will start again from the beginning.

ddbookreviews My favourite Discworld is Mort. Which book dit you like best. 4y
Bette 🐶❤️ 4y
BethM Awww love love love! 4y
Vansa So difficult to pick one favourite!The truth, Guards!Guards!, Mort,Raising Steam are among my favourites. 4y
ddbookreviews I discovered Discworld with Mort, so he has a special place. But Death is my favourite character and then there is Rincewind and the Luggage. Pyramids was the most hilarious though. 4y
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TK-421
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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“Goodness is about what you do. Not who you pray to.” #prayer #QuotsyMar20

Prairiegirl_reading I love this!!! 5y
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Twainy
Snuff | Terence David John Pratchett
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🎧 I love these books in audio. Fun, quirky, silly. Great audiobook. This is my current 6 book library queue on Hoopla/OverDrive. Trying to get caught up. Starting Then She Was Gone ... a recommendation. I recommend Snuff if you‘re in a silly mood. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️1/4!

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Twainy
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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”I know that I am a small, weak man, but I have amassed a large library; I dream of dangerous places.” ......... nice quote, speaking of libraries ... I visited B&N today for their 50% off sale & picked up 10 hardcovers. The 8 classics have great paper weight & illustrations. LOVE! Not one audiobook in sight. Birthday gift card spent. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 😁🤗🥰

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London_St_J
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Rereading thoughts: A take on racism and dehumanization that circles around the concept of classism, and offers definitions of personhood that hinge on _making_.

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elkeOriginal
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Good news for those of us in the #PratchettPosse who like these Collector Library hardcover editions - two new ones coming in November!
#TerryPratchett

Reviewsbylola Those are gorgeous! 5y
Soubhiville Yay!!! You know I‘ll be getting them! 💙 5y
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Michollio
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Sybil forces Commander Vimes to go on vacation in the countryside where he promptly finds a murder to solve, among other things. This time, the trouble concerns the treatment of goblins.

#BookishBingo: Rain storm

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TK-421
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Another test post... this time a gratuitous cat & book pic! #catwithbook

hermyknee Awww what a sweet kitty! 6y
Soubhiville I loved this book! And your kitty 🐱 💕 6y
CouronneDhiver 🖤🖤🖤 6y
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Dragon 😻 6y
rubyslippersreads 😻😻😻 6y
TK-421 @Soubhiville Thanks 😺 I loved it too! I put off reading it for a long time because I didn‘t want the City Watch books to be over 😢 6y
gradcat I love your cat w/book post! More, please 😂😻 6y
TK-421 @gradcat Thanks! 😸 Will do! 6y
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TK-421
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Lazy Sunday afternoon with Minerva #CatsofLitsy

Reagan Love her name! Black cats ❤️❤️ 6y
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MayJasper
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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#winterwonderland prompt: 22 #crystaldays

Crystal Slam
One of the most dangerous drugs available to trolls, crystal slam is first mentioned in Snuff. It looks like stone dust, but appears to have little red and blue flecks in it when held to the light. Its manufacture is very difficult, partly because of the unmistakable smell and sparks produced when boiling it.

@Cinfhen @TrishB @lahousewyfe

Cathythoughts My father always took snuff ... Mr Crysalis ... you can still get it in a pub here. I don‘t mind a sniff of it .... 6y
lahousewyfe Good old Vimes! Always sniffing out the clues. 6y
TrishB 😂😂 well played 👏🏻 6y
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Cinfhen And she‘s off....nicely done ✅ 6y
Izai.Amorim Happy new year, Jane! 🍾 6y
MayJasper And to you too Izai @Izai.Amorim 🎆 6y
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TK-421
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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“As the message drained away Vimes stared at the opposite wall, in which the door now opened, after a cursory knock, to reveal the steward bearing that which is guaranteed to frighten away all nightmares, to wit, a cup of hot tea.*
* The sound of the gentle rattle of china cup on china saucer drives away all demons, a little-known fact.” #Cup #QuotsyDec18

julesG Perfect quote! 6y
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TK-421
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“... the bestselling novel taking the Ankh-Morpork literary world by storm was dedicated to Commander Samuel Vimes.

The title of the book was Pride and Extreme Prejudice.”

I haven't read Snuff yet, because I don't want The Watch novels to be over 😥

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Thank you, #Littens for sharing your quotes for #QuotsyNov18! I loved seeing your posts all month 😊 I hope you'll join me again in December!

LiterRohde Glad I came back to it after a few months away! I tried this past month to use quotes related to the prompt but without the word directly in the quote. Quite fun and challenging. Though I‘m not sure if the connections were always followable. But that‘s probably because I worry too much about what other people think. (edited) 6y
LiterRohde Also, I just got the first Discworld novel. Have not yet read it. Had to see what all the hype was about. 6y
TK-421 @LiterRohde I'm glad you're back and enjoying the challenge! You posted some great quotes & images and I look forward to seeing more! 6y
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TK-421 @LiterRohde Are you starting with The Colour of Magic? I ask because many Discworld fans agree it's not the best place to start because it just is as good as the other books. IMO, a great starting point is Guards! Guards! but I'm biased. Here's a great reading order guide: https://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-gu... It doesn't include later books, but it's a good starting point. 6y
LiterRohde Yup. Colour of Magic. Got it free with Amazon Prime. I didn‘t know this series was to be read out of order. 6y
TK-421 @LiterRohde It isn't meant to be, but if one judges the whole series by the 1st book, one might wonder what the fuss is about. I'm biased because I didn't enjoy the Rincewind novels as much as say, The Watch, or the Witches. But of course everyone is different & this is just my 2¢! I love Discworld & would hate to see a reader discard the series if they don't enjoy the 1st book! That's why I like to let new readers know there are several threads 6y
LiterRohde Excellent! I will keep that in mind and keep an open mind. 6y
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TK-421
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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“They lived on the edge too, but...they danced on the edge, they jumped up and down on it, made faces at it, thumbed their snotty noses at it, refused to see the peril of their situation and, in general, seemed to have a huge appetite for life, alcohol, adventure and alcohol. As a copper, he shouldn‘t say it, because they could be a bloody #nuisance, but there was something commendable about the cheerfully feisty way they faced, well, everything."

Laura317 Love it! I have a bit of a thing for Vimes. 6y
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TK-421
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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I disregarded my #bookbuyingban AGAIN! *sigh* I needed to kill some time and I was planning on just browsing but... I can never leave #McNallyRobinson without buying something! The only consolation is that both were on my #TBR. #BookishProblems #BookBuyBanFAIL #BookAddict

Ingerella Tonight I told my husband on the way to dinner that I've been really good about my self-imposed book ban. Literally 5 min later I noticed another daily deal and hit "buy with 1 click" without a thought. ? 6y
TK-421 @Ingerella Oops! It was reflex 😂 6y
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PeanutButterPie
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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As a teacher of small people I often receive end of term gifts. Tops is a gift card for art puppies tied with one for books. Now I‘m in the midst of deciding which Discworld I want to add to my permanent collection. I‘m leaning towards Carpe Jugulum but Snuff is a close second.

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PeanutButterPie
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The dreadful algebra of necessity

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hoggman
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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A weird mix of comic fantasy and crime drama. ACAB but in fiction I love Sam Vimes. He is a fantastic and complex character.

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hoggman
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You say "this is my land," but you did not make the land. You did not make your sheep, you did not make the rabbits on which we live, you did not make the cows, or the horses, but you say, "these things are mine." This cannot be a truth. I make my ax, my pots, and these are mine. What I wear is mine. Some love was mine. Now it has gone.

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Sophoclessweetheart
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Another amazing Pratchett and I absolutely adore the Goblins. 😹💛 5/5 , Of course. The city watch are some of my favourite characters on the Disc and this countryside take was witty and funny and a little bit bizarre too. Willikins is naturally a new favourite character. 🤗 #terrypratchett #sirterrypratchett #discworld #speakhisname #pterry #pratchetttheduckout #fantasy

elkeOriginal I have been tempted to order one of those dragon sculptures - yours is cute! 7y
Sophoclessweetheart @elkeo They are so adorable and so worth the money imo. They‘re well crafted and come with a card to show they‘re official for collection. 7y
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Sophoclessweetheart
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Time for coffee and a quiet 10 minutes reading. I‘ve been a bad egg and thanks to temptation in the form of Persephone Books and temptresses in the form of @miralunasbooknook I have brought one of the new Persephones despite being on a non-uni book ban until the end of May. 👀🤫 It‘s okay I think because it‘s been over 3-4 months since I last added to my Persephone collection. 🤗 #booklover #terrypratchett #discworld #bookblogger #bookish

laurieluna 🙌 hi, happy to admit my enabling. What's not to love about a brand new Persephone Book?? I'm looking forward to reading the paper it came wrapped in too 😂 x 7y
Sophoclessweetheart @miralunasbooknook There is almost nothing better than a new Persephone. I‘m crossing my fingers that I manage to fall into that 1000 copies because I‘m curious about that newsprint too xx 7y
LazyDays Cute mug!🙌💜 7y
monkeygirlsmama Love your mug. 7y
Sophoclessweetheart @LazyDays @monkeygirlsmama Thank you so much. It was from ASDA. X 7y
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Sophoclessweetheart
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Delving into some Pratchett today to pass the time until my new books arrive tomorrow evening. I find these books perfect time fillers, pick me ups and just reads in general, but I do enjoy rereading favourites between books. I don‘t read much fantasy but I‘ve read so much histfic and nonfiction lately that I think a touch of the bizarre is in order. #terrypratchett #sirterrypratchett #discworld #pterry #pratchetttheduckout #speakhisname #fantasy

MayJasper Love your photo. Great book too 7y
Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Pretty cover 💚💚 7y
Sophoclessweetheart @MayJasper Thank you so much 😊 7y
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bnp Pratchet is always fun. 7y
bnp Pratchet is always fun. 7y
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SmallestAct
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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It' s nearly time to move! One week left. But where did I leave this book? I'm sure it must be in one of these boxes.

AmyG Thst‘s my problem. We moved from a house to a small apartment and most of my books are in storage. Good luck with your move! 7y
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Gezemice
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“The worst thing you can do is nothing.” #protest #quotsynov17 #pratchettquotes

Snuff is Sir Terry's strongest stance against oppression - still humorous but has a definite sad edge to it.

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Aims42
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I'll admit, took me about 150 pages for me to become hooked (usually Pratchett gets me by page 50), BUT I couldn't put it down from page 151 onward. Holy Cow!! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️/5 stars (yep, 6/5 star rating). SO GOOD!!!

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Balibee146
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Took me an age to read the last third of this as life kept getting in the way. Hugely enjoyable none the less. I've always loved Sam Vines :-) #read2017

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Balibee146
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Change of position but still snoozling :-D #dogsoflitsy #RosieVizsla

minkyb Beautiful! My Vizsla was never that calm! 7y
LauraBeth She's so gorgeous ❤️ 7y
Balibee146 @minkyb @LauraBeth thankyou. She'd spent 4 hours running about like a loon with a cocker spaniel yesterday lol. 7y
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Hooked_on_books 🐶💙 7y
minkyb @Balibee146 Now that's more like it! 7y
maich Sweet❤ 7y
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Balibee146
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Book and my favourite cinnamon roll #dogsoflitsy #RosieVizsla

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Balibee146
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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A truth universally acknowledged....

minkyb Agree! 7y
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Balibee146
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Early for an appointment so getting a few pages in. I've read this one but remember virtually nothing. Sam Vines is my favourite Discworld character so, even though it's nowhere near his best, I will enjoy this.

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Laura317
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I am seriously laughing out loud over the antics of Vimes and Upshot. The narrator is absolutely the best! I may prefer TP as audio books, but just slightly.

saresmoore Ooh, I haven't done much audiobook listening/reading, but for TP, it sounds like a great idea! Sometimes I read the funnier sentences aloud to myself just to get the full effect (and to be sure everyone around me remembers I'm a little crazy 😜). 8y
TheLondonBookworm Hehe love this one! I love the Tony Robinson versions. They're slightly abridged but he is just hilarious! 8y
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Laura317
Snuff | Terry Pratchett
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Listening to Terry Pratchett at lunch. I blame @TheLondonBookworm for turning me on to Pratchett.

TheLondonBookworm I take that and I revel in it ☺️☺️☺️☺️yay TP!!!! 8y
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