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Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation
Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation | Kristin Kobes Du Mez
A scholar of American Christianity presents a seventy-five-year history of evangelicalism that identifies the forces that have turned Donald Trump into a hero of the Religious Right. How did a libertine who lacks even the most basic knowledge of the Christian faith win 81 percent of the white evangelical vote in 2016? And why have white evangelicals become a presidential reprobates staunchest supporters? These are among the questions acclaimed historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez asks in Jesus and John Wayne, which delves beyond facile headlines to explain how white evangelicals have brought us to our fractured political moment. Challenging the commonly held assumption that the moral majority backed Donald Trump for purely pragmatic reasons, Du Mez reveals that Donald Trump in fact represents the fulfillment, rather than the betrayal, of white evangelicals most deeply held values. Jesus and John Wayne is a sweeping account of the last seventy-five years of white evangelicalism, showing how American evangelicals have worked for decades to replace the Jesus of the Gospels with an idol of rugged masculinity and Christian nationalism, or in the words of one modern chaplain, with a spiritual badass. As Du Mez explains, the key to understanding this transformation is to recognize the role of culture in modern American evangelicalism. Many of todays evangelicals may not be theologically astute, but they know their VeggieTales, theyve read John Eldredges Wild at Heart, and they learned about purity before they learned about sexand they have a silver ring to prove it. Evangelical books, films, music, clothing, and merchandise shape the beliefs of millions. And evangelical popular culture is teeming with muscular heroesmythical warriors and rugged soldiers, men like Oliver North, Ronald Reagan, Mel Gibson, and the Duck Dynasty clan, who assert white masculine power in defense of Christian America. Chief among these evangelical legends is John Wayne, an icon of a lost time when men were uncowed by political correctness, unafraid to tell it like it was, and did what needed to be done. Trump, in other words, is hardly the first flashy celebrity to capture evangelicals hearts and minds, nor is he the first strongman to promise evangelicals protection and power. Indeed, the values and viewpoints at the heart of white evangelicalism todaypatriarchy, authoritarian rule, aggressive foreign policy, fear of Islam, ambivalence toward #MeToo, and opposition to Black Lives Matter and the LGBTQ communityare likely to persist long after Trump leaves office. A much-needed reexamination, Jesus and John Wayne explains why evangelicals have rallied behind the least-Christian president in American history and how they have transformed their faith in the process, with enduring consequences for all of us.
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ChaoticMissAdventures
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An important read for Americans. This is my last for #NFNovember (7 of 8) and my 3rd of 4 for #20in4
I learned a lot (Nixon was a Quaker? The meet your husband at the door in Saran wrap was an Evangelical idea b/c they think women are not doing enough to please their men?) a lot I knew but it was good to see in writing laid out (the fueled & imaginary idea/hatred towards Muslims)
I think this is an incredibly important read. 👇

ChaoticMissAdventures There is important information in here about the push and pull of racial relations and how due to the audience Evangelicals have gotten more and more radically racist, and about how Evangelical money and influence has pushed politics to be more and more extreme. @Bookwormjillk @Andrew65 3w
Andrew65 Well done 👏👏👏 3w
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BarbaraJean
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I read Tim Alberta‘s The Power, the Kingdom, and the Glory earlier this year, and this was a great companion read—though tough to stomach. While Alberta explores Christian nationalism & its roots in evangelicalism, Kobes Du Mez approaches a similar topic from a different lens: focusing on the roots of the toxic masculinity & sexism that have become so pervasive in evangelical Christianity. This was a harder read because it hit closer to home. ⤵️

BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) My religious background wasn‘t bound up with Christian nationalism, but I grew up surrounded by the influence of so many of the people and organizations Kobes Du Mez examines, from Billy Graham and Focus on the Family to Promise Keepers, True Love Waits, and Wild at Heart. And the sexism that became more and more apparent was the main reason I gradually distanced myself and eventually stepped away from the evangelical church as a whole.⤵️ 3w
BarbaraJean (Cont‘d) Reading this was frustrating, infuriating, and heartbreaking—and yet it all resonated very deeply. I have struggled to understand the American evangelical embrace of Trump. Kobes Du Mez‘ research and analysis underlines the idea that Trump‘s misogyny, racism, and disregard for the rule of law are unfortunately “a feature and not a bug” for far too many Christians. 3w
Daisey I‘ve heard about this book and considered reading (or more likely listening) but I just haven‘t yet. Your review makes me think I should move it up the list because I think I will have a similar reaction to it. 3w
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CogsOfEncouragement I appreciated that Billy Graham decided to stay out of politics after Nixon and to concern himself with bringing people to Christ rather than a political party. 3w
TheBookHippie Just so you know she has a new book due out soon… 3w
TheBookHippie @BarbaraJean I think people should live in my town for a bit. It‘s ALWAYS been like this. Christian nationalism tied in Evangelical alt right misogyny …. So now the nation is like my town has always been. Madness. 3w
TheBookHippie And this On September 12, 2024, Du Mez announced the upcoming release of the film For Our Daughters, directed by Carl Byker, that draws from the last chapter of Jesus and John Wayne, documenting stories of abuse within evangelicalism. The film will be available for streaming on YouTube starting September 26, 2024 3w
Graywacke Wow. excellent, and intense review. 3w
TheBookHippie Should add I‘m so very sorry about the heartbreak… it‘s hard.. and a bit untethering I imagine. 3w
BarbaraJean @Daisey I‘d recommend it if you can endure it! I was just a few chapters from the end when the election happened. I wasn‘t sure I‘d be able to finish it, but ended up powering through so as to not have it hanging over my head. In the end I‘m glad I did finish it at this point in time—lots of timely “aha” moments. 3w
BarbaraJean @CogsOfEncouragement Yes, it was encouraging that he did step back from it, but some of the early stuff with him was so disappointing. I wish his son had followed his father‘s later approach, but he unfortunately has leaned hard(er) into his father‘s earlier approach. 3w
BarbaraJean @TheBookHippie I think I had heard that about a 2nd book—maybe it was from you! 😆 I hadn‘t heard about the film—I‘ll have to check that out. I think I‘m at the point where I could engage and watch it now. The heartbreak is real, but so much of it is over what could have been, if the hard right racist misogynists hadn‘t hijacked so much of the evangelical movement. There was a time things were different and it could have gone a different way. ⤵️ 3w
BarbaraJean @TheBookHippie The heartbreak is also over what I was oblivious to growing up. The stuff about the SBC was illuminating—I grew up Baptist/Southern Baptist, but in England & in Southern California, which had a MUCH different flavor than some of what was described here. But a lot of it was present, just under the surface or not noticeable to a kid/teen. Then I hit college, my latent feminist tendencies emerged, and I started noticing & questioning! 3w
TheBookHippie @BarbaraJean Education for the win. 😂💕✊🏼 3w
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I had finished 12 out of 16 chapters as of a couple days ago, on track to finish before it‘s due back to the library this weekend. But I just don‘t know if I can stomach the rest right now, after the election results yesterday. This may need to go back on hold for me until I have a little more bandwidth 😔

TheBookHippie She‘s putting out a new book… and yes, take care of you. 1mo
kspenmoll Taje your break.❤️ 1mo
staci.reads Oof, I would probably put it aside right now. Self care is important right now. This one is on my shelf too, but it's probably going to stay there a good long while now 😔 1mo
BarbaraJean @TheBookHippie Well, I‘d better finish this one if she has a new one coming 😆 @kspenmoll @staci.reads I ended up getting a second wind today and forged ahead to finish it. I decided it would be better to have the closure of finishing it than to have it hanging out in my “in progress” reads for another however many weeks. And, I‘ve apparently moved into the anger phase of grief and that helped 😬 1mo
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BarbaraJean
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I didn‘t intend to be reading horror tonight on Halloween, but here we are.

I knew this book would be infuriating, but didn‘t realize just how infuriating. Even more so because I grew up in a family of big James Dobson fans. My mom listened to Focus on the Family every morning on the drive to school. As an adult, my view of the man has changed drastically as glimpses of the toxicity in his work trickled into my awareness, but this? 😳🤬🤢

CogsOfEncouragement I read this a year ago. I did not experience the pipeline of information coming from those revealed in this book, so it explained a lot to me of why certain people in my life see things the way they do. I have not been taking in the same teachings they have all these years. Explains so much about how we got here. 2mo
marleed You are a stronger woman than I! As much as I want to read this, I‘m not ready for how frustrated I‘ll be. Maybe by next week some after Tuesday, winds will be in a place I can prioritize this one. 2mo
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MommyWantsToReadHerBook 😱😱😱😱😱 2mo
DogMomIrene 🤢 Just gross! May need to read this one. Will see how 2024 wraps up… see if I can stomach it. 2mo
BarbaraJean @CogsOfEncouragement While so much of the context is SO familiar to me, I was young enough that a lot of it didn‘t register or at least root itself deeply! But I‘m having a similar experience as you—it‘s connecting the dots for me as to where certain positions came from, and why my (8.5-years-older) sister has SUCH different views from mine. I moved away from strongly evangelical contexts in my mid-20s and she was/is far more firmly entrenched. (edited) 2mo
BarbaraJean @marleed Totally affirm that decision on your part!! I decided (naively) I wanted to read several election-adjacent books leading up to this election. This is only the 2nd one I‘ve gotten to (perhaps fortunately?!). The other (tagged) is more practical & hopeful. With this one, when she started discussing movements I lived through, it got more personal. I have a week before it‘s due back and am hoping I can stomach the rest before then. 2mo
BarbaraJean @DogMomIrene I understand waiting a bit before you can engage with this one!! 2mo
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Ericalambbrown
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This is a really great book if you are baffled by the weird turn some evangelical churches have taken toward hard-right politics and against women‘s rights in recent years. I was raised in the Southern Baptist church so a lot of this rings true to me. I saw this turn towards Christian Nationalism decades ago so I got out. Anyway, this book has a lot of good historical context for what we are seeing now.

Scochrane26 I learned a lot from this one—think I read it last year. The tagged is a great one, too. 6mo
Ericalambbrown @Scochrane26 that one is in my audiobook queue right now! I added it after listen to the author on Rick Wilson‘s The Enemies List podcast. I need to listen to it. 6mo
Scochrane26 @Ericalambbrown I‘ll have to check out the podcast. 6mo
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underground_bks
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This 75-year-spanning study by a Christian historian traces American evangelicals‘ takeover of the Republican Party and shows how their highest values—militarism & masculinity, patriarchy & patriotism—turned a modest Jesus Christ into a macho John Wayne, and made voting for Donald Trump not a necessary evil, but a natural conclusion. As disturbing as it is revelatory, this book is a must read for anyone seeking to make sense of this political era.

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Erin.Elizabeth10
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This one has been recommended for so long and I finally read it. It really is amazing how Evangelicalism has become more about patriarchy and patriotism than actual Christianity or theology. This book was interesting to learn about 20th century history, but also it was sadly very relevant to today.

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ManyWordsLater
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I didn‘t make it very far. It was all too scary for me.

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CogsOfEncouragement
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Read this because a friend asked me to so we can talk about it. This cleared up a lot of my confusion of how we got here.

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“The nuclear family structures around the male breadwinner was … of recent invention, arising in the 1920s and peaking in the 1950s and 1960s; before then, multigenerational families relying on multiple contributions to the family economy had been the norm.”

TieDyeDude This sounds interesting. I read One Nation Under God by Kevin Kruse (don't remember if I finished it) which focused more on corporate corruption of Christianity. It is amazing how much of our “ingrained culture“ is relatively new, like “under God“ in the pledge of allegiance. 13mo
TheBookgeekFrau I feel like the multigenerational family is going to become the norm again. Between the cost and shortage of childcare, not to mention grocery prices 😱 Honestly, I don't think multigenerational living is a bad thing. 13mo
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Christian nationalism might be the biggest threat to democracy in American today.

Suet624 Agreed 13mo
Julsmarshall So true. 13mo
Prairiegirl_reading That‘s the way I see it too. 😞 13mo
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Tamra Very scary….period. 13mo
TheBookHippie Agreed. Terrifying. 13mo
marleed Yep. 13mo
Aimeesue I‘ve been wondering when they stopped asking WWJD, because it certainly wouldn‘t be much of the stuff I‘ve seen lately. 13mo
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ManyWordsLater
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I‘m all 👂🦻and 👀👀.

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ETALTON
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It‘s my life! VeggieTales, DC Talk, the silver purity ring… Hahah crazy 🤪

I have barely gotten into this book, and I have already added 2 books TBR. I love when my books mention book. I always feel like I should read them.

JamieArc 🙋🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️. Me too. And currently working out with a therapist all the ways it messed me up 🥴 2y
ETALTON @JamieArc haha it‘s nice to know I‘m not alone. And I need to find one of those… 🥴 2y
JamieArc @ETALTON You‘re not alone! And welcome to Litsy! 2y
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sarahbellum Did you all read I Kissed Dating Goodbye as a teenager too? 😬 @JamieArc 2y
sarahbellum @ETALTON @JamieArc did you hear that the author made a public apology about that book and other works he created at the time? He kept hearing how damaging it wound up being for young women and had a real reckoning about his faith because of it. I‘m no longer religious, but had a real church phase when I was a teenager 😵‍💫 2y
JamieArc @sarahbellum Yep, sure did! And yes, I remember reading about his apology and having that take me down several rabbit holes! 2y
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Vansa
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@ETALTON I loved your booklist!So many interesting books.Ive picked these 5-4 of them I've read and loved, and hope you like them too.The tagged book sounds so fascinating,I had to pick it- such an interesting starting point to explore political shifts.I hope you enjoy your picks! And happy new year!

ETALTON @Vansa thank you! 2y
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Booksbymybed
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Finishing my final reads of 2022. This one was meticulously researched and very informative, if a bit dry. I‘m glad I finished it. I came full circle in my non-fiction reads this year, started with Cultish and ending with this one.

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My favourite book for February 2022 was the tagged book. I was reading reviews of God Spare the Girls on Goodreads and a number of them mentioned this particular book. A really interesting look at how evangelicals have influenced North American culture for the past 70 years. #12booksof2022

Andrew65 What a title!!! 2y
Scochrane26 I really liked this one, too. 2y
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tphil10283
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It‘s a very interesting story about the White American evangelical Christian movement and the psychotic nature of the situation. I know it‘s not representative of the whole movement but it‘s very damning nevertheless.

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Jedi_Bruno
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Fascinating insight into the Evangelical Movement and how it came to support Donald Trump despite its morally conservative values. Helps me make sense of my upbringing and the current environment I see.

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swynn
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Why did white evangelicals, who have spent the last century or so calling for "moral" leaders and "family values," turn out in such high numbers for a vicious little crook like Donald Trump? Du Mez argues that white evangelicalism has a strong strain of patriarchal authoritarianism, which valorizes brawlers and bullies. Hence, Trumpism. It's more polemical than I expected, but it's a polemic I am 100% here for because it matches my experience

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CRR
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Wow. An interesting book that dug into and began explaining so many different levels. It shed so much light on so many confusing things that have happened in evangelical circles over the years. And sadly continue to happen. This book is highly criticized in evangelical circles—but it would be helpful for many to read and consider. Tough read in some ways but powerful.

swynn I'm reading this now and agree: this explains. So. Much. 3y
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BrienneE
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I‘m stunned at how little I understood the complexities and connections of religion, political influence, and gender expectations. This book helped connect so many dots for me I didn‘t know I needed. Highly recommend.

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melissajayne
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4.5⭐️ A really fascinating look at white evangelical churches in the United States. As a Canadian, I‘m seeing the sort things creeping in and honestly I am starting to rethink going to church services on weekends. #2022 #bookstagram #bookreview #nonfiction

Riveted_Reader_Melissa That sounds like an interesting read. Stacking! 3y
melissajayne @Riveted_Reader_Melissa it was a very interesting read 3y
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melissajayne
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1) Tagged book, Sense & Sensibility, A Promises Land, Sunflower Sisters

2) God Spare the Girls

3) Reading, watching TV, listening to podcasts, laundry

#weekendreads

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I will be reading the tagged book, finish up the #wutheringheights #readalong, work on Sense and Sensibility, A Promised Land and Sunflower Sisters for #weekendreading #wanderingthroughwutheringheights

jessjess I had a couple of holds come in on Libby so I get to choose! I think I'll start with A Fire Story 3y
Andrew65 Have a great reading weekend. 3y
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Am about halfway through the book and I‘m just so fucking disgusted. I think I‘m disgusted because I see it in my own church. I definitely don‘t see this sort of stuff being portrayed in my parents marriage. They have a role reversal in that my dad does the grocery shopping and the cleaning and he does his own laundry and he makes dinner most nights. And he‘s done these things for at least 25 years.

melissajayne But my mom is the one when they have guests that she plans the menus; she can‘t physically do the housework (she‘s had bad knees for 30 years and dad took over stuff when she went to work on her Masters and PhD). I am sure she would do more if it wasn‘t for her bad knees or hip or back or whatever long Covid symptoms she has had for the past two years. 3y
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The case made in this book that patriarchy is the guiding force behind modern evangelicalism is compelling and hard to deny. If you desire a way to view modern politics, especially the right, this is the place to start.

I found the discussions of how evangelicals view masculinity particular hard to listen to. Honestly, in my mind, nothing is less masculine than being performatively masculine all of the time. How little one must be.

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1. Jonathan Tropper, Taylor Jenkins Reid, Stephen King (however, I expect this to change with my mood and time 🤪)
2. It seems so basic but I loved the name Hermione 3. Jesus and John Wayne #wonderouswednesday

Eggs ❤️ Hermione too ❤️ 3y
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Started reading this today, and I can tell it's going to be a thinker. I was a member of a conservative evangelical church as a 20something in the 90s and most of my social circle was evangelical at the time. There are aspects of evangelicalism today that I recognize and aspects I do not. I chafed against a lot of the teaching, but I don't remember it being suffused with such meanness. I pray my friends from those days found a better path.

teresareads The thing I kept thinking reading the intro is that even when my friends and teachers expressed retrograde views, many of which I found objectionable then and now, they didn't seem glad about it. It was just what the Bible said, so, well, they were obedient. It didn't feel mean, which might make it even more insidious. 3y
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Amie
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This was difficult to get through because I was so enraged by what I learned.

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rebbyj
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Beautiful. Difficult.

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Scochrane26
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An interesting book, although sometimes I lost attention because the narrator‘s voice is very soothing. The white men in this book are so scared of feminists and lgbtq—it‘s funny. The only part that really angered me was the last 2 hrs when sexual abuse was addressed. Finally answered my question of why this group loves Trump. Also, I don‘t think they read the same Bible as I do.
Years ago, I had a client who had finally left her husband. 👇

Scochrane26 He was abusive & threatened her with a gun. She called their pastor, who came & prayed w/ husband instead of calling the police. After she left him, she got calls from other church members telling her she should return to him. Wouldn‘t be surprised if she eventually did. I still think of her & am angry when hearing about conservative evangelicals. 3y
Scochrane26 @TheAromaofBooks Almost forgot to tell you this is my #bookspin for September. 3y
TheAromaofBooks Great progress!! 3y
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Christine
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I came here to post my review and discovered that the cool kids have been reading and discussing this lately! 😁 Happy to see that, as it‘s really, really good. Highly recommend both the book (see reviews by @britt_brooke and @megabooks for why!) and Dr. Du Mez overall - she‘s excellent in webinars/book talks and is such a clear and important voice right now.

mcctrish I just loved the title the second I heard it 🤣🤣 3y
Christine @mcctrish Right?? Just laying it all out there. 😆 Growing up immersed in this stuff, I thought I'd thought about the dynamics of this a lot, but I'd not quite internalized the extent to which it all leads back to masculinity and patriarchal authority - it really does. 3y
mcctrish The Conservative party in Canada is taking a page from this play book and an election has just been called ( we don‘t do 18 month election road shows like the US) so it‘s going to be an interesting month coming up 3y
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Megabooks It‘s such a great book! And thank you! Glad you liked it too. 😀 3y
britt_brooke Thanks for the love! 💚 It‘s a great read. I hope it makes it into many, many TBRs! 3y
Christine @mcctrish Ugh - best wishes for surviving that (though the lack of eternal road show does sound nice...)!
@Megabooks @britt_brooke Yes it's so good. We have done our duty in getting it on a few radars, I hope. :)
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⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Fascinating and frustrating. Evangelicals are master business people. Du Mez, a scholar of American Christianity, explores decades of cultural evangelicalism and how we arrived in the Trump era. Gender roles, white supremacy, masculine Christianity (heaven forbid Jesus be depicted as slight with long, wavy hair and robes), and the wielding of political power are covered, backed by specific examples of “leaders” and their manipulations.

britt_brooke Thanks for the rec, Meg! @Megabooks 3y
Megabooks No problem! Fantastic review! 3y
britt_brooke @Megabooks Thanks! 💚 Btw, we used to live in Colorado Springs, only a couple of miles from both Focus on the Family and New Life Church so those parts were of particular interest. I mean, we knew both organizations were pretty bonkers, but I like seeing them called out! (edited) 3y
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Megabooks @britt_brooke interesting! It seems like that is a very conservative town given how many evangelical organizations are there. Was that the case? 3y
britt_brooke @Megabooks Yes, extremely - and it‘s really interesting considering Colorado as a whole is quite liberal. There are liberal parts of the Springs, too, though, just not the majority. There are several military bases there as well (the army brought us there) and many service people lean conservative so that could be a lot of the population. These organizations prey/pray on them. 😉 (edited) 3y
Scochrane26 @britt_brooke @Megabooks This is on my tbr, too. After listening to Empire of Pain, I‘m taking a break from being pissed off though. 🤣 3y
Megabooks @Scochrane26 lol Shannon! Probably advisable, but I definitely recommend this book when it‘s the right time! 3y
Megabooks I flew into Colorado Springs on my way to meet a bf‘s family in Pueblo. He was quite liberal and now lives in Denver. I can see how the whole macho Jesus thing would appeal to military members. Jesus ain‘t no sandal-wearing‘ sissy! 🤣 3y
britt_brooke @Scochrane26 Empire of Pain is in my TBR. I think I‘ll hold off for a bit on that one, too. 😂 3y
britt_brooke @Megabooks 😂😂 I feel like some of these people wanna picture Jesus as a John Cena-like big muscled up white dude. It never occurred to me to imagine him as anything other than the classic depictions I‘ve seen in churches and on my memaw‘s wall …. except his skin should be a couple shades darker. It‘s weird how people forget where he actually came from. 3y
Christine Interesting re: Colorado Springs! I knew little about the culture there until this book. I did know Focus on the Family all too well, though...growing up my (Lutheran but actually hardcore evangelical) church - and by extension my home - was full of their “literature.“ 🤦‍♀️ @megabooks 3y
Christine This podcast about that Seattle pastor Mark Driscoll is pretty interesting/enraging (even though it doesn't go nearly far enough in its analysis, IMO): https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/ (edited) 3y
britt_brooke @Christine Thanks for the link - definitely going to check it out! 3y
Megabooks @britt_brooke exactly!! Like I don‘t think carpenters were that jacked back then!! 3y
Megabooks @Christine thanks for the podcast link! Just commented over on yours. 👍🏻 3y
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It all comes back to protecting the patriarchy and Jesus as a warrior.

Du Mez looks back from turn of the 20th century to now and examines at the evolution of evangelism and its effect on American culture and politics, from Billy Graham and John Wayne to Ted Haggard and Duck Dynasty. Since the Regan era, evangelism has been framed at big strong men protecting women‘s virtue, which led to things from purity balls to the election of 45. ⬇️

Megabooks ⬆️ This is one of the most fascinating books I‘ve read this year. As a southerner, it explains a lot of the things in my community and within parts of my family. (I‘m the crazy liberal niece/cousin.) The evolution of Jesus and his followers into warriors for the cause of Christianity makes sense with the toxic patriarchy I see everyday. (edited) 3y
Ruthiella I‘d never heard the term “purity balls”. My first thought was testicles! 😂 Turns out, I had completely the wrong idea. 3y
Megabooks @Ruthiella yes! Definitely not testicles! 😂😂😂 3y
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DrexEdit The crusades--they're not just for the medieval ages anymore! 😬 😄 3y
vivastory Not book related, but there's an excellent documentary that deals with similar topic but about the indoctrination of the youth: Jesus Camp 3y
Branwen I'm the crazy liberal in my family too! 😁👏 3y
Branwen @vivastory I've watched that documentary! It's fascinating and horrifying at the same time! 3y
Megabooks @DrexEdit unfortunately…😬 Part of the problem is that it sets up and us vs them dichotomy just for the purpose of making Christians feel “persecuted” and keeping them in line. I couldn‘t think of a less persecuted group than white Christian men! (edited) 3y
Megabooks @vivastory @Branwen I keep meaning to watch that. It pops up in my Hulu in “things you may like” but I‘m really bad at concentrating on tv! 3y
Megabooks @Branwen let‘s hear it for crazy liberals!! 👏🏻🙌🏻 3y
kspenmoll @Megabooks @Branwen 🙌🏻🙌🏻 3y
Cinfhen Sounds fascinating!!! You keep posting the best books 🧡 3y
Cinfhen And im totally gonna look for that documentary @vivastory 3y
vivastory @Cinfhen I watched it years ago but it always stuck with me. 3y
Megabooks @Cinfhen thanks!! It‘s on hoopla. The sound didn‘t work for me on there (too quiet for my phone - hoopla often is 🤷🏻‍♀️). Anyway, I waited for Libby and I ended up loving it!! 3y
Cinfhen Ohhh, good to know!!! I‘ll check my #Hoopla and #Libby xx 3y
Cinfhen The concept of Jesus Camp is a little scary to me… but I guess it‘s no different than kids going to Jewish overnight camps??!! Or I could be wrong…curious to see @vivastory 3y
Megabooks @Cinfhen I think Jesus Camp is more like the scary school I read about in this book, but I may be wrong. I think the author mentioned the doc in the epilogue. This book was rough!! (edited) 3y
vivastory @Megabooks @cinfhen I haven't read Jesus Land. Yeah, there are Christian summer camps but Jesus Camp is the far right wing version of that. It's the kind of camp where they teach that Harry Potter leads to Satanism 3y
Megabooks @vivastory yeah, the reform school in Jesus Land is one of those super strict abusive ones, so slightly different, but still one that twists and perverts Christianity to fit their aims. 3y
Scochrane26 @Megabooks @vivastory Since I‘m fortunate to not be Evangelical, my church camp loves to use HP, LOTR, Star Wars, Willy Wonka, etc as themes. We are all geeky. I had a group a few years ago who would discuss Doctor Who for hrs. I saw this book somewhere recently, maybe on Litsy, & it def sounds interesting. 3y
Megabooks @Scochrane26 I‘m liberal mainline Protestant, and my church also has no problem with sci-fi or fantasy. I haven‘t been at the church camp in years, but I know it hasn‘t been a problem for youth in Sunday school. 3y
Cinfhen So VERY EXTREME @vivastory @Megabooks Probably NOT like Jewish overnight camp but more like @Scochrane26 summer camp experience! Which sounds the way camp should be 😁 3y
britt_brooke @vivastory Oh yes. Jesus Camp is disturbing. And I agree with @Megabooks with the comparison to Jesus Land. It‘s a good read! (edited) 3y
britt_brooke Well, this is right up my alley. #stacked 3y
britt_brooke Ooh, my library has it available! 🙌🏼 3y
Megabooks @britt_brooke awesome! Excited to read your review! 3y
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I‘m so excited for this! #hoopla does have it, but the sound is bad on my phone. I‘m hoping it will explain to me why one of the local churches sent people to the Jan 6 riots.

AlaMich Yes, this one sounds very interesting to me, too. But I really haven‘t been able to get myself to read books like this; they just stimulate so much anger in me, and I already have enough of that circulating on my brain. 3y
Megabooks @AlaMich true. It‘s going back in history towards the roots of it, which I like. Chapter one is starting all the way back at Teddy Roosevelt. 3y
KathyWheeler I started this book, but I encountered a mention of Trump and couldn‘t deal, so I put it down for awhile. I‘ll go back and finish it. 3y
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Megabooks @KathyWheeler oh yeah, it‘s definitely about why Trump was eventually elected. Now that he‘s not in office, I want to read why it happened to help prevent it happening again. Or at least do what I can. 3y
youngreadrshelf Just based on the title, I thought the author would be Kinky Friedman. 3y
Chelsea.Poole My father-in-law and my BFF are both reading this right now! I need to! 3y
KathyWheeler @Megabooks I have a friend who was raised evangelical Christian and is still Christian (just not evangelical.) She recommended this book to me to help me understand what happened. 3y
Megabooks @youngreadrshelf I had actually never heard of him, but after I looked him up, I definitely agree! 3y
Megabooks @Chelsea.Poole 👯‍♀️ it‘s so fun having someone reading the same books around the same time this year!! 👍🏻 3y
Megabooks @KathyWheeler yes, I‘ve just started it because I‘m still finishing up another audiobook, but it talks about the ubiquity of cultural evangelism and the large role it plays in American politics. (Cultural evangelism is everything from watching veggietales to listening to focus on the family to reading Christian romance.) 3y
youngreadrshelf @Megabooks yep. Showing my age. But his books definitely made me laugh. 3y
Centique @Megabooks I feel ya Lainie! I‘m not even in the US and I can‘t deal with it either. But then I did have a bit of a confrontation with an old friend ( confrontation is not my usual MO 😬) so once I recover from that I may be able to read more about cultural evangelism. I am fascinated by how it became so huge in the US. 3y
Megabooks @Centique It is huge here, and this is explains parts of the timeline and connections I didn‘t know. Cultural evangelism has just had a huge influence on many people I know and my community, and I like reading things that help me make sense of the world. This is definitely falling in that realm. (edited) 3y
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This book was quite the eye opener! Decades of evangelical madness, their way or the highway 🤯 WWJD drives them but not Jesus Jesus ( he‘s a long haired hippie freak girlie man preaching love and understanding) they want a John Wayne/Braveheart/G I Joe crossbreed that takes no prisoners, wins at any cost, suffers no fools. Woman and kids are seen not heard, white men are the best of the best 🤮🤮

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Sheets on the line even with the weather app saying a storm is brewing and audio weeding to try and stay ahead of garden mayhem. I moved a few plants around too 🤞🏻and trimmed some tree branches

sleepy.ash87 Homesteading feels good! 3y
MrsGagnonreads2024 I miss having a clothes line 3y
mcctrish @Endowarrior21 honestly I‘m dating myself using one I think?! I don‘t know anybody who uses one but me 😢 when we moved in 20+ years ago and we were doing some small renovations ( so much wallpaper, so much carpet over hardwood) I asked the contractor to fix it ( leaning like the tower of Pisa, no actual line) and he said “you will actually use it?” Hard yes 🙌🏻 3y
MrsGagnonreads2024 @mcctrish I rent a house right now and my landlord said no to it so I hoping by next year when we move I can put one up in the new place seeing I grew up with one and have always loved the smell of items from the clothes line. 3y
mcctrish @Endowarrior21 my fingers are crossed for you ( there is some serious clothesline discrimination out there) the smell of fresh laundry is everything 3y
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Out audio walking and wishing these people were home so I could ask them where their cool garden art was from

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Finishing one audio book and started the next. I‘m driving all over town today doing errands so bring on the audio books. I heard about this here, so thank you Littens for always having my book back 😘😘

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Kangaj1
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Barely made my #doublespin for May, but I did it. @TheAromaofBooks

TheAromaofBooks Great progress! 4y
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A friend of mine who grew up in the evangelical tradition recommended this book to me. I didn‘t grow up in churches like this and often am puzzled by them. So this is my beach reading today. I usually read lighter fare at the beach, but apparently nothing I brought was light; I also have Kristen Hannah‘s The Four Winds and Stephen King‘s The Institute.

Tomigirl44 This book was recently recommended to me but I haven‘t started it yet - I look forward to hearing what you think of it. 4y
KathyWheeler @Tomigirl44 My husband read it and said he learned nothing new but some things were clarified for him; however, he grew up in this tradition. I expect to learn some things. 4y
Tomigirl44 It‘s the theological world I grew up in, so it will be familiar, but like your husband, I think some things will be clarified and make more sense, especially since politics weren‘t really talked about when I was growing up. 4y
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Reggie Lol. That is quite the beach read! 4y
KathyWheeler @Tomigirl44 I wonder if the politics of the evangelicals were different years ago, because my husband cannot support what they do now, and if my in-laws were still alive, I don‘t believe they would either. 4y
KathyWheeler @Reggie yeah — it was a bit much. Luckily I had brought my Kindle along and was able to switch to something else. Although, come to think of it, what I switched to — P. Djeli Clark‘s Ring Shout was pretty dark too. 4y
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howjessicareads
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This was INTENSE. But explains so much about evangelical support for Trump. 😑 #howjessreads2021

AlaMich Thanks! It sounds great and I‘m downloading the audiobook. 😊 4y
howjessicareads I would say “Enjoy” @AlaMich ; but I don‘t think it‘s quite the right word. 😅 4y
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If you‘re like me, someone who misses their faith but recognizes that the shadow of fundamentalism lives over their belief, this book may be just what you need to step into the light. It pretty plainly lays out all the rotten fruit of the conservative/fundamentalist/evangelical movement in the country.

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