Home Feed
Home
Search
Search
Add Review, Blurb, Quote
Add
Activity
Activity
Profile
Profile
Sunshine
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
126 posts | 135 read | 94 to read
Winner of the Mythopoeic Fantasy Award for Adult Literature: In a world where darkness threatens, there is Sunshine . . . Although it had been mostly deserted since the Voodoo Wars, there hadnt been any trouble out at the lake for years. Rae Seddon, nicknamed Sunshine, head baker at her familys busy and popular caf in downtown New Arcadia, needed a place to get away from all the noise and confusionof the clientele and her family. Just for a few hours. Just to be able to hear herself think. She knew about the Others, of course. Everyone did. And several of her familys best regular customers were from SOFSpecial Other Forceswhich had been created to deal with the threat and the danger of the Others. She drove out to her familys old lakeside cabin and sat on the porch, swinging her feet and enjoying the silence and the silver moonlight on the water. She never heard them coming. Of course, you dont when theyre vampires.
Amazon Indiebound Barnes and Noble WorldCat Goodreads LibraryThing
review
HeyT
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Mehso-so

This was an interesting take on a world where the supernatural exists and I liked the idea that someone‘s element could be the sun. My problem with this is that it felt like pieces were missing. Idk if it was just my copy but I felt like I was struggling to get the idea of some things through context.

blurb
HeyT
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Happy #BookSpin Day to all who celebrate! I know that the numbers were technically drawn yesterday but the second will always be the day to celebrate for me lol. My bookspin is the tagged and my doublespin is Nightwatch. I'm excited for both of these but definitely had to do a double take as they were both new to the list with that statistically crazy draw this month.

BarbaraJean I loved Sunshine!! Hope you enjoy! 3mo
14 likes1 comment
blurb
Bookworm54
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

I love vampire books of all varieties. This is one of my favourite books period and does include vampires along with a variety of other creatures.

#Vampire #ScarathlonPhotoChallenge #Scarathlon #MagicalMonsters

ShyBookOwl Oh, I forgot I own this book! Bought it years ago but never read it. Thx for the reminder! 13mo
28 likes1 comment
review
underground_bks
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Pickpick

On one hand, I can see the influence of this unique urban fantasy in books like Twilight or Legends & Lattes even. The unlikely combination of gory, sensual vampire horror, cozy community coffeeshop baking, and wry and funny narrator is a winning one in a lot of ways if a little tonally unexpected. But it‘s also so slowly and awkwardly paced, full of info dumps that make it harder to immerse yourself in the story, and feels incomplete narratively.

blurb
KateReadsYA
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

1. The tagged book. It was soooo boring! I wish I could have gotten my time back that I wasted on half of it. It was a DNF for sure.
2. Anything Colleen Hoover 🤭 I'll probably try out Layla and Verity but that might be it.

#ihavequestions @RaeLovesToRead

RaeLovesToRead I also am yet to delve into the world of Coleen Hoover! 2y
ShelleyBooksie This may be my fav prompt ever. I am loving everyone's responses!!!! I tried a Coleen Hoover and only made it 3 chapters before dnf. 2y
TheLudicReader I‘ll keep saying it: don‘t give CoHo a nickel of your money. 2y
See All 9 Comments
IndoorDame @TheLudicReader @KateReadsYA @RaeLovesToRead I have yet to try CoHo and seeing how many times she shows up in these responses is convincing me I‘m really not missing anything 2y
RaeLovesToRead @ShelleyBooksie Aww, thanks! 😊😄 2y
RaeLovesToRead @KateReadsYA @TheLudicReader @IndoorDame Ahh, but she's coming up for answer 2, so what does that mean? 🤔🤔🤔 I may give her a try when I've got through all my other books (in, like, a decade!) 😅😅 2y
KateReadsYA @RaeLovesToRead @ShelleyBooksie @TheLudicReader @IndoorDame I'm just not into books that are overhyped especially romance with no fantasy involved! I'm still new to reading so I have so much on my tbr and could care less about what's trending. I'm still stuck on books that everyone read years ago 😅🤭 2y
BookishMadHatter I have absolutely no desire to read anything by Colleen Hoover. Nothing against the people who genuinely enjoy her work, just that nothing sounds appealing to me so far 2y
KateReadsYA @BookishMadHatter same girl same. No shade for sure! If anyone loves her books, that makes me happy for them :) 2y
37 likes9 comments
review
chelsey.kincaid
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
Mehso-so

Slow start, but had an okay storyline

blurb
KateReadsYA
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

This is a big ol' DNF! I just can't take the rambling anymore.....its page after page of hurry up and get on with it already. I quit after about page 95.

blurb
KateReadsYA
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

So she is chained up along side a vampire and she's asking him if he is interested in hearing about her recipes???? This book better be going somewhere because at this point I am kinda tired of her talking.......

review
abookdragonsretreat
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Mehso-so

It took me a while to get into this book, to be honest I'm still not a massive fan of it. Whilst I enjoyed the world building and more 'realistic' take on vampires, I found the plot to be too tell and not enough show. The massive amounts of narration slowed the pace down, however Rae was a relatable character. There's a lot of info dump and though a lot was resolved by the end, there are still questions that need answers and there isn't a sequel.

quote
abookdragonsretreat
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

❤🩸🖤

review
TracyReadsBooks
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Pickpick

This story is such a smart, interesting take on vampires. I absolutely loved it. Sunshine is taken by vampires one night & wakes up shackled next to Constantine,- a vampire imprisoned with her. And then all sorts of things happen...The world building is excellent—I would definitely read more stories in this world—& I love Sunshine & Con and the wholly believable, really smart way their story is handled. I‘ll be thinking about this one…

32 likes2 stack adds
blurb
TracyReadsBooks
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Neil Gaiman says this book is “pretty much perfect” which pretty much means it‘s time to start reading!

FlowerFairy Sunshine is wonderful! Enjoy! 3y
28 likes1 stack add1 comment
blurb
TracyReadsBooks
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Another rainy day perfect for reading and lucky me I got some Sunday #Bookmail. Rise of Empire because after Ahsoka, Kanan is a fav. Tagged book because somehow I haven‘t read it and I feel this needs to be corrected. And, Books 2 and 3 in the InCryptid series because these stories make me laugh and smile and want to read more.

review
robinb
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Pickpick

I don‘t run into a lot of books that I feel let down because there‘s no sequel/series…meet Sunshine. Sunshine is a 25 yo popular baker in her stepfather‘s small hometown diner who, after a traumatic kidnapping experience with a group of vampires, discovers how powerful her magic handling abilities have become since she was a child. She forms a bond with Constantine, a vampire who was also being held, and they manage to escape together and 🔻

robinb go on to try and seek out/destroy master vampire Bo (Con‘s nemesis and the boss of the kidnappers above).
First of all, my only complaint (and it‘s minor) at 475 pages I felt it was too long. The middle could have been tightened. However, it did serve the purpose of spending more time with these delightful characters (especially Sunshine) and that wasn‘t a bad thing. 🔻
3y
robinb Yes, it‘s a fantasy vampire book and yes it has similarities to Buffy and the Breaking Dawn series, but I became more deeply involved with the people here and absolutely loved it. It‘s hilariously dry-witted throughout and yet also tackles more serious issues like balancing the good AND bad in each of us and being terrified to step out of our comfort zone but doing it anyway. 🔻 3y
robinb Just be forewarned, the ending hints of more, but it‘s been 7 years…☹️ 5/5⭐️
#BookSpin @TheAromaofBooks
(edited) 3y
See All 11 Comments
TheAromaofBooks I haven't read this one yet despite loving most of McKinley's books. She's not a big sequel-writer, which just seems tragic in some cases. Shadows literally felt like the set up for a genuinely fabulous series, for instance. I guess some authors just aren't big into revisiting the worlds they've created!! 3y
robinb @TheAromaofBooks Apparently she‘s been on hiatus for several years (her husband passed in 2015), but she is reportedly working on something. I‘ll have to add Shadows to my TBR. Any others you recommend? 3y
shanaqui I'd really love more in this world, even if it isn't about Con and Sunshine... there seems to be SO much going on! 3y
robinb @shanaqui Yes, she did such a good job with world-building! There‘s sooo much potential for other things. 3y
TheAromaofBooks I love Spindle's End and have read and reread it many, many times. But it's a very rambly book and doesn't always work for people haha Beauty is shorter but one of my favorite B&B retellings. Another rambly one that I really enjoy is Dragonhaven, which isn't fantasy per se, just set in an AU of our own world where dragons are real and wildlife preserves have been set up just for them. 3y
robinb @TheAromaofBooks oh, great! These are going on my TBR! Thanks, Sarah. 🤗 3y
ScientistSam She's one of my favorite authors and I love most of what she's written. She changes genres a bit too. I love Hero and the Crown and the Blue Sword (set in the same world at very different times), Sunshine, and Beauty, plus some others whose titles I can't think of right now. 3y
robinb @ScientistSam oh great for these recs, Samantha! 👍 I‘m definitely reading more of hers. 3y
56 likes1 stack add11 comments
review
StellaDz
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Panpan

Okay, IMO this is the worst vampire book. There are vampires in the beginning, and the end, but the rest of the book is just a girl rambling, stream of thought, waste of time filler. Amazing world, but I didn‘t want to hear about it, I wanted to see it. Big difference. And when you‘re in any type of epic battle, give me details on that, not how your thinking about baking muffins at your bakery... ⭐️ I‘m not even sure what the story was about.

blurb
StellaDz
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

I have 60 pages left of this book and if it doesn‘t happen today, it never will. To say one thing about this book? Draining. Not a vampire pun... but fitting. 😂

blurb
Asthecroweflies
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

I‘m trying sooooo hard not to bail! I love the overall concept but it is so long-winded! She goes into to much backstory and explanation right in the midst of action and if I wasn‘t reading on my phone I would have thrown it across the room in frustration!

blurb
Leniverse
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

This is my fave kind of vampire book. The kind with a moral dilemma. Yes, they are thoroughly inhuman and alien. Yes, they murder people. And yet... this vampire is quite likeable, and currently the lesser evil. But teaming up means he'll be around to kill more people.

#OutstandingOctober

Bookworm54 This is one of my favourite books 🥰 4y
ravenlee I read this one sooo long ago. I need to get it out for a reread sometime soon (likely next year at this point). 4y
Leniverse @Bookworm54 @ravenlee It was excellent! I wish there were a sequel. Is there a sequel? Seems like there is plenty of room for further adventures. And I have questions. Is the Grandmother (and father) alive somewhere? What is Mal? What is the Goddess of Pain? 4y
Bookworm54 No sequel as of yet 😔 4y
32 likes4 comments
review
arader68
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
Mehso-so

The writing style takes some getting used to. It reads like a stream of consciousness. The world building is really solid and different from anything else I've read. Character development and relationships build slowly which i think makes it more realistic.

review
JSW
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
Pickpick

A fun diversion, if a bit rambly. Will make you want to bake. 😀

blurb
Chittavrtti

I miss Robin McKinley. Her blog hasn‘t been updated in nearly two years and I can find no sign of her through the internet. I have always felt her stream of consciousness thinking characters were kindred spirits. Sunshine, arrived during a particularly challenging time in my life and “rescued” me. Death of Marat anyone?
I hope Robin and her roses are doing well.

rubyslippersreads Didn‘t her husband pass away a couple of years ago? I used to enjoy her blog too, and 💚 5y
Chittavrtti Yes, he passed away a little over four years ago. I discovered her through, Beauty. I love how she always manages to incorporate an aspect of Beauty into all her novels. 5y
4 likes2 comments
blurb
Texreader
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
SW-T Saw this. Interesting selections. 5y
48 likes1 comment
review
readordierachel
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Mehso-so

Hm. Lots of threads/ideas introduced that went nowhere. Was this supposed to be a series? It felt like set up, with no real payoff.
I did some heavy skimming, waiting for things to happen.
She baked a lot of fucking cinnamon rolls.
But hey, it took my mind off things for a bit.

BarbaraBB Great review 😂! 5y
Billypar Did she make coffee to go with the cinnamon rolls? 😯 5y
See All 8 Comments
readordierachel @Billypar Lots and lots of tea 🍵 😉 5y
FlowerFairy Hahaha!!! I remember craving cinnamon rolls the entire time I was reading this book. 🤣 5y
readordierachel @FlowerFairy I know! I kept getting the urge to bake 😆 5y
Librariana I vividly remember librarian extraordinaire Nancy Pearl mentioning that this was one of her favorite books 😊 5y
readordierachel @Librariana It seems to have brought a lot of joy to a lot of people 💕 5y
80 likes8 comments
blurb
readordierachel
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

I anxiety-baked this lemon pie earlier and now I am enjoying it with this fun urban fantasy that's been in my kindle library for ages. It's helping :)

I hope you all are taking some moments for self-care and comfort reading. Sending love ❤

Jaimelire Looks delicious! 5y
Tanisha_A Love to you ❤️ 5y
Christine Perfect. I need to follow your lead and do some comfort reading and baking this weekend. ❤️ 5y
See All 16 Comments
batsy That looks delicious. And a great idea for some anxiety management. Take care 💛 5y
AlaMich I bought a few supplies for anxiety-baking myself this week. I haven‘t done any baking yet—too many other things to do—but it‘s gonna happen! 5y
readordierachel @Jaimelire It was pretty good 😊 5y
readordierachel @Tanisha_A And to you, friend ❤ 5y
readordierachel @Christine That sounds like a good plan ❤ 5y
readordierachel @batsy You too ❤ Too easy to live in the news right now. 5y
readordierachel @AlaMich Awesome! I hope it's relaxing (and yummy 😊) 5y
kspenmoll Looks delicious! Glad you are practicing sone self help. ❤️❤️ 5y
readordierachel @kspenmoll I hope you are too ❤ 5y
Reggie You make me want to bake later. Looks good!!! 5y
readordierachel @Reggie It's very soothing! Plus you get to eat it, lol 5y
MemoirsForMe ❤️❤️❤️ 5y
97 likes16 comments
blurb
Briary
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

I finally found a lovely edition for this book. Not one for vampires, but McKinley could write about toadstools and make it all kinds of wonderful. 🦌🌳☀️

17 likes1 stack add
blurb
RiaWritten
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Sorry it's not strictly book related but it is language related and I had to tell someone. A long time friend and fairly recent partner and I have started experimenting with endearments. He's Russian. The cyrillic bit up top was his sign off to me tonight, which I ran through Google translate and promptly swooned.

ju.ca.no How cute!😍 5y
MrBook 😁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 5y
13 likes2 comments
blurb
esurient
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Oh, I needed something happy and this is just so full of heart. #fanfiction

Magic Beans
https://archiveofourown.org/works/596185

blurb
xicanti
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Listen, if the world‘s gonna subject me to snow, I‘m gonna break out the holiday lights.

I also made a couple changes to my new shelves: my red globe in the place of my Rose Tyler Pop!, a couple more wall stickers, and Robin McKinley‘s SUNSHINE beside Harry Potter.

blurb
Bookworm54
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

My favourite #RomanceNovels are #ParanormalRomance

I love the mix of action and the supernatural with the romance side. Many of these include some form of ‘mates‘ too, pairs that are destined to be together and know when they have met the one. I like that idea as it takes away the doubt people have in the real world 🥰

Pictured are the first books in several PR series I love and a stand-alone that I think counts...

@24in48 #24in48 #Readathon

45 likes1 stack add
review
shanaqui
Pickpick

There is so much more I want to know about this world, and it's a little info dumpy, but mostly I still enjoyed it very much. The tentative friendship/relationship that evolves between Con and Sunshine is so well done, and Con's vampirism is never romanticised -- he's still scary and unsettling, even as his sense of honour becomes clear.

#WyrdandWonder

blurb
shanaqui

There is so much background to this book that's never used. So much we don't ever see about the characters. I always loved that and found it frustrating in equal measure, and I have that feeling again with this reread...

blurb
shanaqui
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Been rediscovering a book that was one of my favourites 10-15 years ago!

Not that I'm reading much today. I've been a little busy graduating. Helen Hippo came with me to see it through. :) After 29 years with me and three degrees, she's a bit battered. [I wish I was smiling better in this picture, but that expression is mostly me trying not to laugh.]

I had a book in my bag the whole time, of course. That's how Littens roll!

LiteraryinPA Congratulations on your graduation! That‘s awesome!! 6y
CaliforniaCay How exciting!!! Congrats!! 🥳🎊🎊🎉 6y
rwmg Congratulations👏 🥂🎆 6y
llwheeler Congrats! 6y
rretzler Congrats! 🎈🍾🎊🎉 6y
19 likes5 comments
review
EmilieGR
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
Mehso-so

My least favorite of McKinley‘s books

review
theresidentromantic
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Pickpick

I loved this and I hated it, but you definitely have to read it, if you like urban fantasy. McKinnley's vampires are an absolute must. They're a total breath of fresh air and a world I would love to continue exploring. There's not a love triangle because there really isn't a romance, it's on a different level. But the lack of information is a real issue and I had a few other fundamental issues with the book too. But it was a good end to April.

46 likes1 stack add
quote
theresidentromantic
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Whelp, I'm a very puddleish mess of ovaries. Gah.

blurb
theresidentromantic
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

I got this from last week's library dime sale and it's been calling to me all week from it's place on the bottom of my tbr pile. So on this peaceful evening by myself, I'm giving in 😂😂 I also find it so interesting that it was an adult novel in 2003, but it's very much YA, at least from the narrative so far. Let me know if you've liked this!

Weaponxgirl I read this years ago and liked it. 6y
Weaponxgirl I think it‘s the sex that put it in adult section for the time, ya wasn‘t that big then. I‘m sure I remember a erection felt against the leg scene. 6y
theresidentromantic @Weaponxgirl Ah! That'll do it. And she is supposed to be 19 ish, 20, but she's emotionally very young, although I think that's been done on purpose. 6y
39 likes3 comments
blurb
Dragon
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Thanks for the tag @cassiopia - 1. Buying books at the Raise-A-Reader booksale in May 2. I‘m reliable 3. I‘m rarely late 4. Since it‘s Friday I‘m not going to tag ( really I‘m not usually late 😂🐉)

wanderinglynn Thanks for playing! 😘 6y
32 likes1 comment
review
IndyHannaJones
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
Bailedbailed

I'm sorry...I know I should like this one....but....after the first part...(and well, ok, a lot of the first part) there was just too much information and I just got soooooo bored.

blurb
SW-T
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

OMG! Catching up on newsletters and saw this! Neil Gaiman recommended Robin McKinley‘s Sunshine, one of my all time favs! I have three copies of it, cuz I want backups, just in case. 📚😊❤️📚😊❤️📚

#neilgaiman #robinmckinley #authorcrush #authorcrushforlife #favorites #booklover #alwaysbeenaloverofbooks

blurb
JanJan
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

I'm super excited for this one!

BarbaraJean This is one of my favorites! So good!! 6y
53 likes1 stack add1 comment
blurb
Chrissyreadit
post image

I loved this book. McKinley is a favorite author. #meetmeinthedark #octoberxfiles

Bradleygirl Mckinley vampires are the only ones for me. 6y
Clare-Dragonfly I really need to read this sometime. Love McKinley. 6y
72 likes1 stack add2 comments
review
EchoLogical
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Pickpick

Not bad. Honestly, I added this to my TBR stack and completely forgot what it was about once I didn't find it right away. It kinda reminds of the Sookie Stackhouse books smushed into a single novel.

⭐⭐⭐

#screamathon @4thhouseontheleft

SkeletonKey This book made me hunger. Literally all I remember about it is all those bakery descriptions 😂 6y
EchoLogical @SkeletonKey They did sound delicious! 🤣 6y
54 likes2 comments
blurb
Kamisha
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

#audiowalking with these goobers!

Using the tagged book as yet another #screamathon pick! 😄🧛🏻‍♀️

alisiakae Wanted to make sure you saw that you won the Season 3 giveaway for #Booked2018! My email address is on the winner post, let me know if you can‘t find it. Congrats! 🎉 🎉🎉 @BarbaraTheBibliophage @Cinfhen (edited) 6y
Kamisha @4thhouseontheleft Just got on and saw it, thank you!! 6y
25 likes2 comments
blurb
IndyHannaJones
Sunshine | Robin McKinley

Oh, yes. This does the trick.

review
sonatinalina
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
Pickpick

I loved that these were vampires that were ‘other,‘ not just slightly more dangerous people. You never forgot the fangs and the blood were the least of your worries! And the juxtaposition of a master baker and a war against great darkness was thoughtfully and rivetingly done.

review
CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Pickpick

Hard choice between pick and so-so. I liked a lot of the parts of this novel, but overall it didn't really wow me. I really liked the main character (nicknamed Sunshine) and her rambly voice--it felt authentic to her personality. I also liked how Sunshine wasn't always likable and how she described her job as a baker. The fantasy world was pretty cool, unique, although it annoyed me when McKinley used Sunshine to just info dump instead of showing.

CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian Oh yeah, this has vampires and stuff. #UrbanFantasy #HalloweenReads 6y
37 likes1 comment
blurb
CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Eating London Fog flavoured ice cream in the sunshine reading this book called Sunshine. I also love a part from the page on the right, where the protagonist is describing the difference between her mom and her:

"She's a brass-bound bitch because she believes she knows best. I'm a brass-bound bitch because I don't want anyone getting close enough to find out what a whiny little knot of of naked nerve endings I really am."

LeahBergen That ice cream sounds wonderful. 6y
AlaMich I had to look it up but it sounds delicious! A Canadian thing, right? You guys get all the good stuff. 6y
See All 6 Comments
CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian @AlaMich Yeah, it's a local Vancouver ice cream company. I'm sure there are other small ice cream makers that do a similar flavour though! 6y
AlaMich @CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian I‘d prefer to just go to Vancouver! 😊 6y
36 likes6 comments
blurb
CaseyTheCanadianLesbrarian
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image

Starting my first of hopefully many #HalloweenReads! This is supposed to be a unique twist on the vampire novel. My coworker recommended it to me today so I thought I'd give it a whirl. It has a great opening: "It was a dumb thing to do but it wasn't that dumb. There hadn't been any trouble out at the lake in years. And it was so exquisitely far from the rest of my life."

Lindy Vampires aren‘t my jam, but I liked this book. Good choice. 👍 6y
41 likes2 stack adds1 comment
review
lauren.lerner
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Pickpick

A different take on vampires and the like than I‘ve read before, I enjoyed this novel immensely. That said, the ending definitely left me wanting more; I‘m a bit disappointed that this is a stand alone novel and not the start of a series.

I need to read more by this author. If you have a favorite from her bibliography that I should be sure not to miss, please share!

⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ • #urbanfantasy #vampires

llwheeler The Hero and the Crown and Spindle's End were my very favourites of hers as a kid, haven't reread either since though. I haven't read Sunshine yet but I have it and hope to get to it soon! 6y
24 likes1 stack add1 comment
review
AveAthena
Sunshine | Robin McKinley
post image
Pickpick

Happy #BookLoversDay! I just finished Sunshine, and it was funny and weird and beautiful. So pretty much right up my alley. And a good reminder that I need to read more Robin McKinley!