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A predetermined divorce? Two parasitic homeless American newlyweds never leave Europe. Their marriage, designed to end, shatters early. What next? This is a silly setup that should not work. But it works delightfully. Wharton was having fun. #whartonbuddyread

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Graywacke @Lcsmcat @IndoorDame @dabbe @Currey @batsy @Louise @CarolynM @Daisey @TheBookHippie @arubabookwoman @leftcoastzen @jewright @AllDebooks 2y

The Glimpses of the Moon | Edith Wharton

Alas, she did not understand.

Is anything solved? They still have no money and they still can‘t communicate. But they have experience. Nick and Susy and five Fulmers are bonded and off for another honeymoon. Anyone else imagine Wharton maybe giggling a bit behind her concealed straight writers face?

Well, Wharton has a way. What was your take? Was it too lite, too simple? Does it work? (Why or why not?) Want more Wharton?

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Lcsmcat It was much lighter, I thought, than her more well-known works. But I loved the humor and her spot-on prose. It was nice to have a happy-seeming ending, which is all a “they lived happily ever after” ending is. We all know that doesn‘t mean every day is bliss! But I‘m cautiously optimistic about their chances, as they seem to have grown up a bit. 2y

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Lcsmcat I‘m up for more Wharton. A Son at the Front is next, and we could start that one in June or July, as people wish. It‘s about 240 pages, so not a long one. 2y

Currey @Graywacke It worked for me because of having read all the other Wharton‘s. I could see the common themes (societal constraints, miscommunication, the inability to make a decision) and see how she played with them, as you say, with a giggle. I thought that the one more round of Nick showing up just when Stef did also was too pat for Wharton but I found the ending to be generally hopeful. They will clearly still have all the same problems 👇 2y

Currey but they at least have a few more options than simply breaking up their business arrangement. 2y

Daisey I thought this one felt quite a bit lighter than most other books by Wharton I‘ve read, but I loved that we got a hopeful ending. I think Nick and Susy learned from their experiences and will be happy. 2y

batsy Yes, nicely put @Currey ! I agree. The themes are Whartonian but in this I liked that the hopefulness is rooted in trying to honour the integrity of marriage as they both see fit. It could have been cynical but she took what seems like a bit of a risk in going for the happy ending, and I think it paid off. 2y

jewright I liked this book. It‘s not exactly what I would have expected from Wharton, but it was honestly nice to have a happy ending. They both grew up. 2y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat i‘m certainly up for A Son at the Front. Traveling early June. So, later June or July might get my personal vote. 2y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat and how about Wharton doing a happy ending? It‘s nice to know she can that, and manage it pretty well. 2y

Graywacke @Currey (Streff‘s last appearance was certainly routine RomCom plotting.) Catching these themes and patterns and watching them evolve is part of the reason to read an author chronologically. Changing morality is another theme. (Divorce has gone from something only morally-blind Undine/ pursue to a game plan.) 2y

Graywacke @Daisey So, from last week‘s discussion, do you mean lighter in substance or in plot? (Happiness being light than death) Or both? (And, a question for everyone: if the later, how does it change our response?) I‘m glad you loved the end! 2y

Graywacke @batsy wasn‘t it both cynical and happy? I mean, they blew a free summer in Venice for nothing, and wound up with 5 unmoored kids in Fontainebleau. (Hmm. Maybe that‘s just me being cynical. 🙂 And i‘d take the Fontainebleau option!) 2y

Graywacke @jewright it was nice! Agreed. Nice to feel good about a book. 2y

Lcsmcat @Currey It was very rom com, but given that date it was written, I‘d say it was Dickensian. ? He used coïncidence in his plots a lot! 2y

Lcsmcat @Graywacke I thought Wharton managed the happy ending well. Keeping the 5 kids in it kept it from being too saccharine. 2y

AllDebooks I enjoyed it. I got the sense of Wharton's mischief on this one. Definitely a lot looser and lighter than her usual prose. Great ending and you all say, not too romantic with 5 kids in tow 😅 2y

Currey @Lcsmcat plus the piece about Susy almost blowing it with pawning the bracelet, telling us that there is more for her to learn. 2y

Daisey @Graywacke I think a little bit of both, because these decisions are not as much about life and death that occur in some of her other books, so the substance is there but lighter. Definitely the plot is a bit lighter because it does work out better than many others. 2y

dabbe I did enjoy the so-called happy ending, the one I wished would have happened in THE AGE OF INNOCENCE -5 kids (even though I LOVED the reality of that ending). Being basically toward the end of her writing career, it seems like Wharton also changed “a bit“ and loosened up. When I first chuckled at this book at the beginning, I thought, “This can't be Wharton, making me laugh!“ It was, and it did. 😊 2y

Leftcoastzen I did enjoy the book. I think Wharton lightened up so to speak because the times were changing. I love her storytelling ,the way she writes about miscommunication or no communication at all. I‘d love to keep reading Wharton. 2y

arubabookwoman Well I think we finally got a happy ending from Wharton. Tho' I was holding my breath at the end when 1st Suzy doesn't tell Nick that she's turned Streff down ( failure to communicate again). Then on the issue of Susy not returning the bracelet from Elsie and pawning it to pay for Fountainbleau, I was holding my breath again, fearing Nick 2y

arubabookwoman was going to have a moral hissy fit as with the cigars and the letters Susy posted for Elsie. But at least Susy has learned to be honest, and I really think she rather liked her life caring for the 5 kids. I'm more concerned about Nick's ability to live in reduced circumstances. 2y

arubabookwoman I'm up for more Wharton.I hope A Son at the Front is not a companion piece of propaganda to The Marne though.And I hope the Wharton read continues through at least The Children, which is a fascinating look into the lives of the children (like Elsie's Clarissa) of these people. 2y

Graywacke @arubabookwoman i deeply hope A Son at the Front is not like The Marne. But it was the next book Wharton wrote, in 1919. (Even if it wasn‘t actually published until 1923). 2y

CarolynM As everyone has said, this is a lighter story, but no less enjoyable for it. My take on the “happily ever after” is that Nick is going to make reasonable money from his writing and Suzy has learnt to be content with less, so their chances are good. I was glad for them, but I did feel sorry for Coral who was misled not only into false hope for her love being requited, but also into turning down a position that might have suited her well. 👇 (edited) 2y

CarolynM ☝️ So much for Nick‘s high moral ground🤨 As to the acceptability of divorce, is the society here at the same level as the rarefied heights of the old NY society of A o I or even of T C o t C? It seems to me there were many strata to the social circles of the time. The difference may have been the times or the society they happened to belong to. Anyway, I am definitely up for more Wharton with this group🙂 (edited) 2y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat i agree Wharton managed. I want to say it worked for me - but also it seems to have worked for about everyone. 2y

Graywacke @AllDebooks yeah, a lot of authorial mischief. 🙂 glad you enjoyed. 2y

Graywacke @Daisey yeah, i see that. Last week i made a comment about the writing pretty good and not light. And someone pointed out they meant lighted as in not one dies. No tragedy or upsetting stuff. It‘s just a semi-serious marriage (that evolves into a somewhat silly serious marriage). So i was thinking about that meaning, light, light in what way. But I agree with you completely. 2y

Graywacke @dabbe Willa Cather said the world “broke” on 1922. A curious time to select. Wharton seems to see a loosening at about the same time. (I‘m thinking - what was it about the early 1920‘s?) 2y

Graywacke @Leftcoastzen oh, I cringe over the bad communication. But life. It happens. (Also see my previous comment on the changing world) 2y

Graywacke @arubabookwoman in a way, Susy stays Susy and Nick changes by becoming more tolerant (laying down his fanciful and impossible faux-moral purity. 🙂 ) 2y

Graywacke @CarolynM i love your optimism. Go Nick! Make a living! And yeah, e out if self-righteous Nick. Bleh. I think divorce is lighter here, in approach, because in no other of her books does a couple say, let‘s get married for now. But in the end it treats divorce more seriously. 2y

Graywacke It occurs to me that happy endings can be very conservative. They don‘t rock the boat. Whereas tragedy demands rethinking. So maybe this ending reflects Wharton‘s more conservative views of marriage. Maybe her own divorce was harder on her than we realize or appreciate. In any case, thanks everyone for joining and commenting and being a part this and making Wharton a richer experience. 2y

AllDebooks @Graywacke Thank you for your great hosting. It's been a pretty insightful discussion 2y

dabbe @Graywacke Hmm. Great question. Maybe the end of WW1 leading into WW2. Lots of disillusionment occurred during this period because of the drastic effects of WW1. T.S. Eliot's THE WASTELAND came out in 1922. Most of her writing occurred at the beginning of Modernism, just like Fitzgerald; both wrote scathingly and humorously (Glimpses) about their societies yet couldn't escape them or maybe even didn't want to. 2y

Lcsmcat @dabbe @Graywacke As a musician, I‘ve taken it as a given that things created between the wars were very bleak. Some of it very beautiful, don‘t get me wrong, but with a more despairing view of the world. Think Ravel‘s Tombeau de Couperin, each movement named for a friend who died in the war. And literature too - Sartre comes to mind - became nihilistic. Then there was the frenzy leading up to the stock market crash (Thomas Wolfe comes to mind) ⬇️ 2y

Lcsmcat ⬆️ which sensitive people (artists, writers) knew was covering up something dark underneath. All of that leads me to agree with Cather. And it makes me wonder if, with the bleakness at the end of WWI (especially in Europe, where Wharton lived) she needed a happy ending for herself, and felt readers did too. You don‘t watch horror movies when you‘re in the midst of trauma, you watch comedies. 🤷🏻‍♀️ 2y

dabbe @Lcsmcat You give excellent reasons for the “broke“ness of 1922, especially about Wharton possibly wanting a happy ending for herself––for a change. And that is the key word: change. Change in society from the horrors of war, and in the story itself: Susy changes by realizing what love truly is and that money can't buy love (cliche, but true, IMHO). 2y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat That‘s a lovely post. Very interesting thoughts, both. ( @dabbe ) 2y

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While this doesn‘t rank among my favorite Wharton novels, it‘s still a wonderful read, particularly because she is the master of beginnings and endings, so I‘m always left thinking more about the things I loved about the story than about the things that bothered me. #whartonbuddyread #doublespin @Graywacke @TheAromaofBooks

Bookwormjillk Love the cover 2y

IndoorDame @Bookwormjillk it was free on kindle a while back and it was 💯an impulse downloaded cause I loved the cover art! 2y

Leftcoastzen Nice review! I agree . 2y

TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!! 2y

Graywacke rereading your review, I‘m now wondering about the things that bothered you but yet you‘re not thinking about. 🙂 Great review and I‘m so happy you enjoyed it! 2y

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I agree this novel is one of the lighter ones written by Wharton, but she still puts her characters through difficulty and her readers through numerous exasperating moments with plenty of social commentary. The middle dragged somewhat with the frustration over the lack of communication and annoyance with the ridiculously wealthy characters. Yet, once I got so far, I just had to finish the story.

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Daisey When both Nick and Susy reached Paris again, I could not stop listening, although I was continually waiting for things to still go badly. I was so glad to actually reach a hopeful and happy ending! 2y

Graywacke @Daisey great review. I admit I also really liked the ending. It left a good feeling. 2y

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Nick is hanging in mixed comfort with the Hickses, while Susy wallows in indecision. Five months of no contact! Is Wharton pressing our limits of belief or capturing a strangled relationship? I thought the chapter on Susy‘s state of mind before Streff‘s 1st disturbing kiss was quite powerful. (But I do wonder about getting engaged before kissing, even in 1922)

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Lcsmcat I was proud of Suzy in this section! Whatever Nick does, she‘s finally coming to recognize her own worth. And maybe even a little that money isn‘t everything? 2y

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Currey @Graywacke @Lcsmcat Well, we already know from our previous Wharton reads that “trimming hats” does not allow one to buy dresses in Paris, nor for that matter even prevent one from starving. Poor Susy, she can not love any one other than Nick and Nick can not buy her the life she wants to live. 2y

Currey @Graywacke @Lcsmcat Even with all the usual Wharton themes: miscommunication, the golden handcuffs of the rich, the paralysis of indecision, etc. I continue to enjoy this story for its humor. I thought Susy was going to throw up when Stef kissed her! Plus clearly the social blight of divorce has completely changed since Age of Innocence 2y

Graywacke @Currey Susy and that kiss! Phew. (But if she had enjoyed it? Different book). I was entertained by Nick‘s moment with Coral: “She turned her head slightly, and their eyes met. For an instant blank terror loomed upon him” 2y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat Suzy hasn‘t figured out how to live outside the leisure class. So I won‘t give her too much credit. But I‘m moved by her trials. @Currey I‘m glad you‘re enjoying as much as I am. Whatever is here, i‘m finding myself involved and away, momentarily, from real world stuff. 2y

Leftcoastzen I like being away from the real world stuff too! Sometimes I wish Suzy would abandon the leisure class , but could she at this point?The flaw in the plan becomes more obvious, if the suitor repulses you ,despite their tempting wealth and security, you don‘t want that deal . All the not knowing with no letters would drive me nuts. 2y

Lcsmcat @Graywacke Suzy hasn‘t figured out how to live outside the leisure class, true, but that doesn‘t mean she couldn‘t. And her flying to Grace I took as a good sign. 2y

IndoorDame @Lcsmcat @Graywacke I‘m moved by her trials also. But I‘m not convinced she could live outside the leisure class. She could certainly survive, but I don‘t think she‘d be truly happy. I thought her little fantasies about working for a living on joining a convent were really telling of just how completely divorced from the real world she is and how unready to enter it. 2y

Graywacke @Leftcoastzen @Lcsmcat @IndoorDame - wondering what kind of trap the leisure class is. For Lily, departure was fatal. Susy is a different sort. But the answer to that question also reveals something of what Susy gave up with Streff; and, by implication, what other members…tolerated…in their partners. 2y

Graywacke I‘ve been sidestepping the “lighter” adjective applied to this. It‘s a simple plot. But to make this work, and stay interesting and suspenseful, was not a simple thing. And I feel Wharton is tinkering with something much more serious. I feel like chapter 19, Susy‘s indecision, felt real. Wharton is, 3/4s in, still able to make this work feel heavier or lighter. (edited) 2y

Lcsmcat @Graywacke I like @Currey ‘s phrase “golden handcuffs.” If you are convinced that only certain things will allow for happiness, then the terror of not having them must be fierce. And since that class tended to dehumanize those who served them, they would have no conception of how anyone could be happy in another class. 2y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat on one hand a lot of basic conveniences were done by servants. So things that allow for happiness included a lot of basic stuff that was very difficult to get. But, on the other hand, I know my grandparents weren‘t suffering in 1922 (they were mostly almost teens then). Even my poor maternal grandfather playing stickball in the Bronx didn‘t remember to complain to me that his life was in danger from inconveniences. 🙂 2y

Currey @Graywacke Yes, I feel it is “lighter”because the possibilities are more open rather than the tight limitations of societal prescriptions. Suzy actually has options. They may not be great options but they are options. And I have laughed out loud a number of times. However, that does not mean that the craft is “lighter”, if anything it demonstrates a remarkable balancing ability. 2y

Lcsmcat @Currey Yes, Wharton is in fine form here! There are many passages I‘ve highlighted, like “She had had a taste of the tropics, and wanted more equable weather;” 2y

Lcsmcat @Graywacke Servants were “necessary” to live a certain way, for sure. But not to live happily. How many of our ancestors were in this class? And yet I‘d wager that many of them were happy, or content. 2y

CarolynM @Currey Some great observations 🙂 I wonder how much the value those brought up in the “leisure class” place on status makes a difference to the degree to which they “tolerate” partners who offer them that status. I don‘t think it‘s just the luxury they couldn‘t do without, I think it‘s their entire world view and hence their “happiness” @Lcsmcat (edited) 2y

CarolynM Just to clarify, I‘m not saying they‘re right to think that way, just that it‘s not surprising. We are all products of our upbringing even if life takes us in a different direction. 2y

jewright I was surprised at the end of this section. I thought for sure Suzy would go through with the marriage just for the financial perks. Although, it would really suck to marry someone whose kisses you could barely tolerate. 2y

jewright @Lcsmcat I liked that line too. 2y

AllDebooks Anyone else get Pride and Prejudice vibes? The miscommunication, the detached aloofness, pride and judgemental attitude. I'm stunned by the length of time Nick has avoided dealing with the situation he brought on himself. I have hope for Suzy after her caring for Clarissa. She's starting to question both her choices, previous decisions and what makes her truly happy. Really enjoying this one, although it's a simple plot. 2y

AllDebooks Edith Wharton writes with masterful, elegant exactitude. 2y

AllDebooks @Graywacke I hope you're ok, you've been very quiet on #NaturaLitsy lately. Not a criticism, only an observation! You've been missed. Irl can get too much and escapism in a good book provides a healthy respite. I do it all the time x 2y

Graywacke @AllDebooks I‘m still following. My reading is down this last month, as is my online interaction. Just in the wrong headspace momentarily. So I‘m being less ambitious in what I expect to read in a week. I skipped Wilding and I‘ll skip the bee book, but I‘m interested in what will be next. 2y

AllDebooks @Graywacke keep keeping on and do what you gotta do. Hope you're able to relax and take time out for yourself x 2y

Lcsmcat @CarolynM I think you‘re right, and that‘s what I was trying to get at. I wonder at what stage of her divorce and leaving the US for France Wharton was at when she wrote this? Was she wrestling with some of these issues herself? Or remembering wrestling with them? 2y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat @CarolynM I believe Wharton had been in Paris, divorced, since 1911 or 1912. This was published in 1922. She was a long time bachelorette by this point. (But i have to imagine her marital trials plays into all her novels, maybe especially in the Countess in Age of Innocence(??). But surely here too(??)) checking my facts… 2y

Graywacke Wikipedia: The Mount was her primary residence until 1911. … When her marriage deteriorated, she decided to move permanently to France… (missing the word “divorce”) (edited) 2y

Graywacke More Wikipedia: In 1908, Teddy Wharton's mental condition was determined to be incurable. In that year, Wharton began an affair with Morton Fullerton, an author and foreign correspondent for The Times of London, in whom she found an intellectual partner. She divorced Edward Wharton in 1913, after 28 years of marriage. 2y

Lcsmcat @Graywacke So could she have been a bit envious of the later acceptance (relatively speaking) of divorce? But very aware of the repercussions of leaving “society?” 2y

dabbe @Lcsmcat I agree. Grace seems to be the only friend that Susy has whose character shows depth and whose marriage is real. I answered a question on Litsy that required just 6 words to sum up the book you were currently reading. I wrote: Will these two finally get together? 🤣 2y

Lcsmcat @dabbe 😂😂😂 2y

Graywacke @dabbe perfect 👌🙂 2y

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Apologies to @Graywacke & the #whartonbuddyread gang: I couldn't stick to the schedule & found myself unable to stop going once I'd started. Although this seems to have gotten mixed reviews for being a light novel, I was utterly charmed by Wharton's turn towards a screwball romcom. In fact, I found the ending quite delightful & envisioned it in my head as a George Cukor movie (sadly, it never happened). There's plenty of the Wharton cynicism

batsy in the middle sections, but it resolves in a satisfying cheeseball way in the end that made me feel warm inside. 2y

batsy A Wharton that's hopeful about romance & the possibility of a fulfilling marriage? Hell yeah. I kind of loved that Susy, as she matures, hopes to emulate Grace—in the sense of how Grace raises her kids, & the values that she passes on as important. It's the norms of the materialistic upper-class world that produce cynical & rotten marriages. So Susy & Nick, despite their own hypocrisies & flaws, feel like a corrective to that world. 2y

willaful Oh, I really want to read this now.
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Leftcoastzen I‘m not done , hoping that‘s the original dust jacket in your post? 2y

batsy @willaful The GR reviews are mixed but I truly enjoyed it. Wharton does put her characters through it but it's a more hopeful book than her usual. 2y

batsy @Leftcoastzen My cursory google search indicated that it is, so I hope so! It's gorgeous and captures the mood of the book. 2y

Leftcoastzen Absolutely love it ! 2y

CarolynM Saving your spoiler comment until I‘m finished reading🙂 2y

Graywacke Great review. So glad enjoyed. But i can-not-click-that-spoiler-button (sorry, telling myself that). 2y

jitteryjane724 I am glad you enjoyed! I struggled to get into it my first time round so I'll have to pick it up and try again! 2y

batsy @Graywacke Thank you! It's really not much of a thrilling spoiler; once again, simply avoiding saying too much for those who haven't finished 😁 @CarolynM 2y

batsy @jitteryjane724 Thank you! I hope it works for you the next time you read it. 2y

Jess_Read_This I just can‘t stop looking at that gorgeous cover. It‘s lovely! 2y

Daisey I managed to stop at the chapters for this past week before yesterday‘s discussion post, but I finished the rest today and agree whole heartedly with your review. I was cringing through so much of the last few chapters just waiting for something to go wrong again (because it‘s Wharton & I don‘t trust her) while hoping so hard for it to work out. I was very glad to reach a hopeful, happy ending! 2y

batsy @Jess_Read_This Isn't it beautiful! 2y

batsy @Daisey Yes! Isn't it nice to have this glimpse of optimism. It's so unlike the sadness of the books I've read so far by her. 2y

Graywacke @batsy maybe a corrective to our world too. The end leaves a good feeling behind. 2y

Graywacke @Daisey I expected the worst, almost all the way through. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 2y

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I finished this week thinking this was a transition section, that we‘re waiting to see what will actually happen. But looking over my notes a lot happens. Our year of bliss dissolves in moralistic self righteousness. Nick runs off, writes a terrible letter and climbs aboard with the very likable Coral Hicks. Susy heads to Paris and has a marriage proposal from Streph, care of a tragic accident. Where to, dear Edith? Thoughts?

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AllDebooks I'm all over the place with this one! Edith has sketched out an array of privileged people with aplomb. I find this very reminiscent of Waugh. There seems to be a very yin/yang balance between the rich and their 'parasites'. All have something to gain and the interweaving relationships are complex to say the least. There doesn't seem to be an awful lot of communication going on here between Nick and Suzy. Can it all be put down to heedless ⬇️⬇️ 2y

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AllDebooks Naivety on Suzy's part or judgemental arrogance on Nick's. Very cowardly and bewildering reaction from him. 2y

IndoorDame Since we‘ve mostly focused on specific moral choices so far, small and more sweeping in scope, I‘m thinking at least one of our couple will be remarried by the time they meet up again 2y

Graywacke @IndoorDame Noooooo! … sorry. Yeah, maybe. 😒🙁☹️ 2y

IndoorDame @Graywacke just a theory, 🤷🏻‍♀️I could just as easily be wrong and our lovers future could come up roses 🌹🔮🥀 2y

batsy I found this immensely readable and so different from the Whartons I've read that I've finished, & am afraid to comment in case I reveal something 🤐 But I'm glad that you think Coral is likeable; I think so too and I wanted so much more of her. Also yes to the self-righteousness on Nick's part! 2y

Graywacke @AllDebooks I haven‘t read Waugh, but sounds right. And i was happy Wharton used “parasite”, since that was my own word too. ☺️ But anyway, I think i feel the same that we are all over the place, maybe even on every page. And these relationships are complex and curious. I was fascinated by Nelson Vanderlyn, who certainly must know something. (And Fred Gillow always makes me smile) 2y

Graywacke @IndoorDame not sure Wharton does roses… 🤔 2y

IndoorDame @Graywacke I feel like I should say there‘s a first time for everything, but I‘m really not the eternal optimist. Maybe that‘s why I‘m reading Wharton 🤔💡 2y

Graywacke @batsy oh, let it out! We can bash Wharton here too. 🙂 But, I‘m glad you‘re finding this one readable too! I find I‘m getting a little needed release when reading it. 2y

Graywacke @IndoorDame 🙂 2y

jewright Well, that went south in a hurry. I guess I was surprised Strefford wanted to marry her. Babysitting five kids would definitely make me consider other options too! 2y

Graywacke @jewright Violet is so funny. Offering jewelry (and cute emotional disappointment). Phew, that would have been a commitment! (And, yeah, in a hurry. They‘re so impulsive) 2y

batsy Oh no, to be clear, I loved it! I'm just afraid of spoiling it accidentally by talking about something that happens in a later chapter ? it's the slimy Strefford that gives me the same vibes as how I felt when reading House of Mirth—it seems like a respectable way "out" of her troubles for Susy, but you know it's going to be the slow death of her soul type thing. 2y

Graywacke @batsy ah, ok. i thought you were withholding Wharton comments, but you were holding on spoilers. Thanks for holding off on spoilers. I haven‘t figured out reserved steady Streph yet. (I think his timing is awkward, at best, quite awful, at worst.) 2y

AllDebooks @batsy Absolutely agree re Strefford. #shudders They all seem very adept at manipulating people to get what they want, but I feel Strefford in particular, is too good. 🫣 2y

AllDebooks I also found it peculiar that there was no correspondence between Nick and Suzy, other than his initial note. Admittedly, Suzy didn't know where he was, but for it to drag on for so long with no explanation is tortuous. Being ghosted by text is bad enough, imagine what it must feel like via snail mail 😱 2y

arubabookwoman I'm annoyed at Nick going so morally offended at Suzy's actions re Elsie's letters. Her actions were totally consistent with the premises on which they married. Once again we're seeing the consequences of the failure to communicate, such a common theme with Wharton. At this point I think Suzy is actually in love with Nick, but Wharton reinforces several times Suzy's inability to live w/o the perks of the rich, which Nick can't afford. 2y

Currey @IndoorDame @Graywacke But it is Wharton, does anything come up roses with Wharton? Well thorns maybe…. 2y

Currey @Graywacke I am thoroughly enjoying this one. It feels slightly “lighter” to me. Wharton‘s usual tightly constrained societal rules have definitely loosened over time. The moral ambiguity isn‘t as impossible to understand. Of course, stealing cigars or posting letters is not quite in the same category as mercy killing or talking someone out of a divorce. 2y

IndoorDame @arubabookwoman I‘m annoyed at the degree of his outrage too! Unless the message we‘re building towards is a subtle ultra feminist men don‘t understand the emotional labor women need to maintain in society kind of message (which I think is too far ahead of its time to be an actual possibility here) then Nick knew the basics of who he was marrying and everything their life meant 2y

Lcsmcat @IndoorDame With Wharton for an author? I‘m not smelling 💐 2y

Lcsmcat @AllDebooks Maybe being ghosted by snail mail is easier to take because letters took longer, so you could always invent a reason that you hadn‘t heard yet? 2y

Lcsmcat @IndoorDame I don‘t think Wharton would use the _term_ emotional labor, but she certainly understood the concept. So I think you might be on to something there. 2y

AllDebooks @Lcsmcat that's true, but I think his silence is very cruel 2y

Lcsmcat @AllDebooks Ih absolutely! He‘s punishing Suzy for his own confusion and moral choices. 2y

Lcsmcat One quote that rang so clearly to me with Wharton‘s less-than-optimistic-yet-humorous outlook was: “those who consent to share the bread of adversity may want the whole cake of prosperity for themselves.” I can‘t help but wonder if she‘s foreshadowing here. 2y

Leftcoastzen Late to the party , love everyone‘s comments. The waiting is the hardest part! I think it‘s amazing any correspondence gets through when they move about like this! Through banks , embassies hotels, friends, errand boys! Sheesh 2y

Leftcoastzen What was a bit infuriating but predictable , how Mrs.Melrose wants to stick her with multiple children, they are already pegging her as someone running out of options so if she wants to be part of this group without funds , she will be asked to be of use. 2y

CarolynM Totally agree @arubabookwoman I highlighted that quote too @Lcsmcat It seems to me that this story is another look at what it takes to be part of a wealthy social group when you‘ve no money of your own so yes, @batsy I‘m reminded of Lily in House of Mirth but also of Ellen in The Age of Innocence and even John and Justine in The Fruit of the Tree and Sophy in The Reef. 👇 2y

CarolynM ☝️I fear I‘m an outlier here - I don‘t find Coral very appealing at this stage and I think Strefford is genuine and quite likeable 🫤😟 @batsy @AllDebooks 2y

Lcsmcat @CarolynM I‘m not sure about Strefford yet, but I‘m with you on Coral. I find her as manipulative as the others. 2y

batsy @CarolynM It definitely reminded me of House of Mirth but in a lighter vein. Though this being Wharton "lighter" is up for debate ? 2y

dabbe @jewright Amen! I just finished AGNES GREY, and being in charge of any kid except your own isn't worth the effort! 🤣🤣🤣 2y

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Chapters 1-8 #whartonbuddyread

An opening gimmick, begging for stress, catastrophe and, of course, jealousy. But does it feel gimmicky, hanging out romantically on Lake Como and Venice,
surrounded by the wealthiest Americans and removed from the real world? Almost a garden of eden, if thorns everywhere.

And, another question, on time: This promises a lovely study of how “now” is forever, until it isn‘t. Any one else thinking on this?

Graywacke @jewright @Sace @Suet624 @catebutler @Catherine_Willoughby @crazeedi @TEArificbooks @emilyhaldi @KathyWheeler @llwheeler @BookishTrish @Ann_Reads @sparklemn @sarahbellum @IMASLOWREADER @SamAnne @AllDebooks @Kelly_the_Bookish_Sidekick @GinaKButler 2y

Graywacke @IndoorDame @dabbe @Currey @batsy @Louise @CarolynM @Daisey @TheBookHippie @arubabookwoman @Leftcoastzen (edited) 2y

IndoorDame It felt oddly modern in that they both know this relationship won‘t last and as much as they want it to and stress about the future privately, they won‘t talk to each other for fear of breaking the spell 2y

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Lcsmcat And breaking that spell is going to hit them hard, I‘m afraid! 2y

batsy I like that—"almost a garden of Eden, if thorns everywhere". There was something so dreamlike with the set up, and you just know that Wharton is orchestrating a fall ? 2y

batsy (I loved it, though. The prose so lush at times!) 2y

Lcsmcat @batsy Yes, her prose and her humor are on display here. “Mr. and Mrs. Hicks were equally and majestically three-dimensional” 😂 2y

arubabookwoman After a few books in which Wharton examines the strictures of societal norms, here she is again looking at characters making moral choices, as we saw in some of her earlier books. Suzy makes the"wrong" choice in her husband's view about stocking up on good cigars from the 1st place they stayed. In Venice she makes the choice to stay and cover for Elsie's love affair. She tells herself she's doing it for the sake of Elsie's daughter.?????? 2y

arubabookwoman What do you think? She doesn't even tell her husband about it, wh I suspect is going to get her in trouble later. He did make the"right" choice about the cigars, but would he have made the moral choice and have left the villa rather than cover for Elsie? Hard to tell. After all he did choose to marry Suzy just until something better came along. I don't have my copy at hand, will try to add some quotes later. 2y

arubabookwoman One thing I wanted to note about Elsie leaving her daughter Clarissa to be ignored by the servants, we have seen in at least 2 earlier works how the rich basically live their lives with little regard for their children. This b/cs the theme of Wharton's next book, The Children, which I hope we will continue with. In it she looks at a group of children, half- and step- sibs and hangers on who are dragged around Europe and ignored while👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 2y

arubabookwoman their parents marry and divorce and have affairs. When I read it I wondered whether Nabokov was aware of it when he wrote Lolita, because it centers on a 30-something man who becomes enchanted/obsessed with the oldest child, a teenager who is in charge of her brood of younger "siblings." Clarissa's plight here really echoed the theme of The Children, which I hadn't noticed before. 2y

dabbe What a lifestyle they have! I'm not sure I even like Nick and Suzy much for the grifters they are (or is grifter too harsh of a word?). It's fascinating to observe this opulent lifestyle of the early 1900s, and how these people move from villa to villa, obviously bored with their lives and constantly seeking something ... I'm reminded of Daisy in GATSBY: “What do people plan?“ 2y

Graywacke @arubabookwoman this quote my be relevant to your post: “Susy, thrown on the world at seventeen, with only a weak wastrel of a father to define that treacherous line for her, and with every circumstance soliciting her to overstep it, seemed to have been preserved chiefly by an innate scorn of most of the objects of human folly. "Such trash as he went to pieces for," was her curt comment on her parent's premature demise: ?? 2y

Graywacke 👆👆 as though she accepted in advance the necessity of ruining one's self for something, but was resolved to discriminate firmly between what was worth it and what wasn't.” 2y

Graywacke A quote pertaining to my time thoughts: "Oh, I say, don't let's talk tonight about going. Aren't we outside of time and space...?” 2y

Graywacke @IndoorDame I think the 1920‘s were very modern in some ways. Also I think their inability to talk (reflective to me of The Fruit of the Tree) sets us up for expecting the worst. But it‘s not stuff that‘s easy to talk about… 2y

Graywacke @Lcsmcat @batsy - aren‘t the prose and atmosphere so much intertwined? 2y

Graywacke @arubabookwoman one thought about the moral choices here. There is a dilemma. They have bought into a really compromised path, one that really is not fit for anyone with scruples. My take is that their morality is really out of place. It‘s impossible. I think the apple was what they paid to get into this garden. The rest is how they accommodate themselves to this original sin. 🙂 2y

Graywacke @dabbe I‘m good with grifters. I call them parasites. 🙂 i like your Gatsby reference. I read it in high school, and that‘s a long time ago. But I think Gatsby (what i dimly remember of it) is a decent parallel to this world. 2y

arubabookwoman @Graywacke Agree. That choice to get married looms over all over choices, so the cigars and covering for Elsie pale in comparison to that initial decision. It is no spoiler to say that their original choice is going to be the crux of where this novel is going. (I've read it before but remember very few details). 2y

Lcsmcat @dabbe I agree with @Graywacke , grifters is not too harsh. 2y

jewright I‘m just waiting for something to go wrong. I feel as if I‘m being set up for a sad ending. I don‘t trust Wharton to have any sort of cheery ending. I did feel so sorry for Clarissa. Imagine just being left behind by your parents! 2y

Lcsmcat @arubabookwoman The choice to marry as they did is like the tragic flaw in a Greek tragedy. It‘s going to be their undoing no matter how many “moral” choices they make later. 2y

Lcsmcat I found these quotes about Ellie so telling of the whole society “I was meant to be happy,” that lady continued, as if the possession of so unusual a characteristic singled her out for special privileges.” and “she said, in the tone of tender solicitude with which she always discussed her own difficulties.” 👇🏻 (edited) 2y

Lcsmcat 👆🏻and wonder if Suzy is starting to get the idea that she‘s not much better than Ellie, by her reaction to them. 2y

Currey @Lcsmcat @arubabookwoman It does appear that we are being set up to watch the tragedy of largely making the right choices but because it is all based on one fundamentally wrong choice, it will all fall apart. I am loving the language and tone here however. It is “lighter” than so many of her other works. 2y

Currey “I knew her when she was still lovely” 2y

Currey And of course Wharton‘s trademark willful miscommunication. 2y

Louise Book Friends, I have enjoyed all your comments. I‘ve been sick with a virus so will have to catch up when my mind is clearer—hopefully by the next discussion! Just wanted to say hello! 👋 2y

CarolynM As usual I am late getting started😬 I‘ll catch you up next week. Hope you‘re feeling better soon @Louise (edited) 2y

batsy @Lcsmcat She is so sardonic! I love the little jibes at Nick's writing, as well, like under the guise of fiction he could get away with saying stuff "at the expense of less learning than if he had tried to put his ideas into an essay". Shots fired (at herself too, lol) 2y

batsy @Louise Hello! Take care and I hope you're feeling better soon. 2y

Louise @CarolynM @batsy Thanks for your well-wishes! 😊 Tonight I was well enough to do a bit of knitting, which felt good after such a long time of feeling useless. 🧶 2y

Lcsmcat @Louise I‘m glad you‘re feeling a little better. Hope it continues! 2y

Lcsmcat @batsy Those jibes reminded me of Austen in Northhanger Abbey. 2y

AllDebooks I haven't got past chapter 1 yet, as not particularly enamoured with characters. 2y

Louise @Lcsmcat Thanks for your good wishes! 🤗 2y

Leftcoastzen I missed the discussion but got this far , so finished these chapters but not next weeks . Love everyone‘s comments. I think a lot of it is Whartons acknowledging the death of the society she knew , the marriage has a bit of the let‘s fiddle while Rome burns quality.And always, the rich abandoning the children to servants ! Yikes . 2y

CarolynM I‘ve finally caught you up! I like your garden of Eden take here, but I wonder whether the “marrying for the cheques” was in fact an excuse they were each using because they were in love with each other, but couldn‘t bring themselves to admit it. That also explains why they couldn‘t have an honest conversation about their choices and makes N‘s moralising even harder to take. @arubabookwoman You‘ve made me very keen to read The Children. 2y

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About time for me to begin (in my case, public domain, kindle format) #whartonbuddyread

batsy Same format for me! I've started and it's lighter and more screwball romcom-y than I expected, which is nice. 2y

Lcsmcat Same format, except mine is part of a “complete works of” volume. 2y

dabbe I bought some book online that has ZERO PAGE NUMBERS! How does one do that to a book? WHO would do that to a book? 🤣🤣🤣 2y

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Graywacke @batsy I‘m enjoying the atmosphere. 🙂 2y

Graywacke @batsy @Lcsmcat @dabbe well, cheers for ebooks. @dabble - the kindle pages are very annoying too. It‘s like 1.5? or something real pages for each Kindle page (which apparently are formatted on legal paper or something weird like that. The graphic is all long narrow pages) 2y

Daisey I started the audio on my drive to work today and was entertained by the first chapter. 2y

Lcsmcat @batsy Knowing how Wharton treats most of her characters, I‘m worried for Nick and Susy! 2y

batsy @Lcsmcat 😬🤞🏾 2y

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Just a reminder
#whartonbuddyread

Graywacke @jewright @Sace @Suet624 @arubabookwoman @catebutler @Catherine_Willoughby @crazeedi @TEArificbooks @emilyhaldi @KathyWheeler @llwheeler @BookishTrish @leftcoastzen @Ann_Reads @sparklemn @sarahbellum @IMASLOWREADER @SamAnne @AllDebooks @Kelly_the_Bookish_Sidekick @GinaKButler 2y

Graywacke @IndoorDame @dabbe @Currey @batsy @Louise @CarolynM @Daisey @TheBookHippie (edited) 2y

TheBookHippie Yay! 2y

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CarolynM Thanks Dan 2y

batsy Thank you! Looking forward to this. 2y

Leftcoastzen WooHoo! 2y

arubabookwoman Oops. I thought 1st session was today, and I also kept reading, and am now at chapter 10. Just wanted to say, this is a good one! 2y

Graywacke @arubabookwoman 🙂 that‘s a great head-start 😆 i‘m trying to decide when to start myself …and also whether i should post another reminder today. 2y

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LitsyEvents

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Repost for @Graywacke, @Lcsmcat:

Planning ahead - our next #whartonbuddyread

Apr 15 - chapter 1-8
Apr 22 - chapter 9-15
Apr 29 - chapter 16-23
May 6 - chapter 24-30 (the end)

Anyone is welcome to join. 🙂

original post:
https://www.litsy.com/web/post/2558326

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The Glimpses of the Moon | Edith Wharton

Planning ahead - our next #whartonbuddyread

Apr 15 - chapter 1-8
Apr 22 - chapter 9-15
Apr 29 - chapter 16-23
May 6 - chapter 24-30 (the end)

Editing to add that anyone is welcome to join. 🙂

Graywacke @jewright @Louise @Sace @Suet624 @arubabookwoman @Currey @catebutler @Catherine_Willoughby @crazeedi @TEArificbooks @emilyhaldi @KathyWheeler @llwheeler @CarolynM @BookishTrish @leftcoastzen @Ann_Reads @sparklemn @sarahbellum @IMASLOWREADER @SamAnne @batsy @AllDebooks @Kelly_the_Bookish_Sidekick @IndoorDame @GinaKButler @Bookwormjillk kindly let me know if you‘re in or want to be tagged 2y

IndoorDame Please tag me! 2y

Graywacke @Hanna-B @rubyslippersreads @Tamra @dabbe @Daisey @Cathythoughts as I mentioned above, let me know if you plan to join or want to be tagged 2y

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Graywacke @IndoorDame i will! 👍 2y

Tamra I‘m going to sit this out. Thank you! 2y

Lcsmcat I‘m in. 😀 2y

dabbe I'll give it a go! 😊 2y

Graywacke @Tamra no worries. I figured it‘s worth checking with you. @Lcsmcat I was hoping 🙂 @dabbe great to hear! 👍 2y

Lcsmcat @Graywacke 😂 2y

Liz_M @LitsyEvents 2y

Currey @Graywacke Okay, one more…count me in 2y

batsy Yes! I'm game 🙂 2y

Graywacke @Currey phew! 🙂 I‘m really glad you‘re joining @batsy so glad you‘re joining too! 2y

Louise Yes, count us in! 2y

CarolynM I‘m in 🙂 2y

Daisey Yes, I‘m in for this one as it‘s on the #1001books list. 2y

Graywacke @Louise @CarolynM @Daisey - oh good! thanks all 2y

Graywacke @TheBookHippie fyi 🙂 2y

TheBookHippie Yay!!! I‘m in! 2y

Graywacke @TheBookHippie 💙👍 2y

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IndoorDame

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I just found this free on kindle yesterday! #moon #OminousOctober #Scarathlon2022 #TeamMonsterMash @Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks @Eggs @StayCurious

Eggs Awesome find! 2y

Alwaysbeenaloverofbooks Pretty 💛🌝 2y

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Cathythoughts

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Nick & Susy are young , and very excited about life & it‘s possibilities.. they fall in love .. but there are many twists of fate. Exquisite writing .. Edith ❤️and moral dilemmas…
I‘m really enjoying this & not sure yet where fate will take them. About 2/3ds in … Lake Como , Venice ( a Venetian Palace no less) .. The list of beautiful places is inexhaustible & so much fun to read about , and the people 💫

Cinfhen Sounds lovely 3y

Cathythoughts @Cinfhen Soooo good ❤️ 3y

Lcsmcat I can‘t wait til we get to this one with the #whartonbusdyread. It sounds good! 3y

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Cathythoughts @Lcsmcat I had started before I joined your buddy Wharton read … and I‘m nearly finished… and can‘t wait to read again & appreciate the finer details ❤️ 3y

squirrelbrain Sounds fab - I don‘t think I‘ve read any Wharton. Where should I start? 3y

Cathythoughts @squirrelbrain there‘s a Buddy read ..I just joined #WhartonbuddyRead @Graywacke @Lcsmcat … … where to start ? I‘m not an expert 😬… Sanctuary is a short book ( and on kindle ) that‘s the 3d book being read ( I think ) it‘s very good & a good introduction to her way of writing & thinking …

Sanctuary

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squirrelbrain Thanks Cathy! I‘ll keep an eye on the #whartonbuddyread and I‘ve stacked

Sanctuary

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More light-hearted than her better-known novels, two poor socialites decide to marry and use the wedding gifts and good wishes to stretch their honeymoon to a year of lavish living. I have to admit that I wish there was more deviousness enjoyment of others' wealth and a slower, longer build to the moral backsliding. The middle section where the two are apart and willfully miscommunicating was a bit of a drag. But I did appreciate the happy ending!

Liz_M 4⭐, #1001Books, #Reading1001
@TheAromaofBooks this is my June #BookSpin 4y

vivastory I just learned a couple of days ago that they offer ghost tours at Wharton's house starting in July 4y

Liz_M @vivastory I've been on a regular tour. The gardens are lovely and the picture of her library is my zoom background for “professional“ meetings. 😁 4y

vivastory That's awesome. Next time I'm in New England, I will definitely be going on a tour 4y

TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!! 4y

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llwheeler

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#deweys24hr #readathon wrap up

I read about 6.5 hrs, and didn't finish anything haha. Made some progress on the books I had on the go, and started 2 others: Red Harvest (bc I need audio for readathons) and Glimpses of the Moon (bc I recently finished Ethan Frome and apparently I'm not ready to leave Edith Wharton's glorious prose quite yet)

This readathon unintentionally brought to me by the theme "moon"...

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These are the two Edith Wharton novels I‘ve read this month #AAMEW. Of these two, I liked Summer more (already reviewed). With “Glimpses”, society is skewered again; the upper/richer classes and those who aspire to move up. It‘s full of the slang, i.e. “old sport” , of the 1920s (intentionally?) which got a bit tiresome.

Found inside “Glimpses” was a now-defunct bookstore bookmark from when we lived in Ann Arbor.
#Authoramonth2020 #1001Books

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batsy Lovely covers for both! 5y

ValerieAndBooks @batsy yes and they‘re fitting to the time/setting of each. (edited) 5y

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BarbaraBB

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Another enjoyable Wharton, the last I needed to read for the list of #1001books.
Susy and Nick live the life of the wealthy in Europe. They fall in love, and come up with an experiment: to marry and to live as long as possible on the hospitality of their friends. Should the chance of a better marriage come along for either of them the other will move aside. However this bargain doesn‘t take into consideration their real feelings. #librivox

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@cobwebmoth I DEVOURED this book and wanted to tell you again how much I loved reading a new Edith Wharton novel. I loved the characters and think it would make a fab Clueless style movie.

cobwebmoth I'm so glad you enjoyed it.☺ 6y

TheFunkyBookworm Now that looks like a fab reading chair! Obvs kitty agrees! 😻 6y

rubyslippersreads @cobwebmoth This sounds great. 6y

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rubyslippersreads 😻😻😻 6y

Tamra If I could meet an author of the past, it would be Wharton, but I‘d be so intimidated I‘d be a doorknob. 😏 6y

Wife I love ❤️ this chair! @Kelican17 @Dweezlepip 6y

Kelican17 @Wife i DO love that chair! I also spy a pretty cool table next to it!! 6y

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Lolling around reading and wishing you all a Happy Canada Day

CouronneDhiver 🙌🏽❤️🇨🇦 6y

LA_Mead Happy Canada Day! 6y

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Too many audiobook choices. Please help!

CKlube The hunger! 7y

alisonrose CIRCE!!!!! 7y

CouronneDhiver Eleanor! 7y

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Apinlibraryland I enjoyed the Eleanor Oliphant audiobook! 7y

BookishTrish @CouronneDhiver @Apinlibraryland Eleanor it is! 7y

BookishTrish @alisonrose @CKlube Thanks, guys. I should be able to get to all three before they‘re due! 7y

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KellyHunsakerReads

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Wharton‘s writing is always lovely but this story didn‘t capture my heart. #audiobook #classics #EdithWharton

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Waiting for me when I get home

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SaraBeagle

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April breakdown:
14 books
9 for the #192019 challenge
2 for #LitsyAtoZ
3 for #MtTBR
4 5🌟 reads: The Glimpses of the Moon; Cathedral; If Beale Street Could Talk; Autumn

Mdargusch Nice job! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 7y

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