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IndoorDame Fascinating! Thanks! 23h

plemmdog i am always amazed and impressed she left het entire state to MLK. 23h

TheBookHippie @plemmdog Yes. NCAAP gets her royalties to this day. 22h

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A Scatter of Light | Malinda Lo

This is our JUNE #SUNDAYBUDDYREAD
Scheduled reading sections
I have the hardcover
June 30 OFF

No chapters 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
Hopefully this works out 😝🤷🏻‍♀️🤞🏻

IndoorDame We‘ll manage 💜 1d

vlwelser We will manage. It's fine. How many total pages is your copy. I 🖤❤ math. 22h

TheBookHippie @vlwelser 335 numbered 338 total 👀 21h

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vlwelser Ok. We have 23.37%, 47.93%, 67.46% and 100%. Estimated. 20h

TheBookHippie @vlwelser 🏆 also this proves I suck at math 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤷🏻‍♀️😝👀 20h

vlwelser Meh. We all have skills. I wouldn't be able to organize all of this stuff and post detailed questions (often with additional material) every week 20h

TheBookHippie @vlwelser 😘 20h

willaful @TheBookHippie It's close enough! 18h

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A Scatter of Light | Malinda Lo

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#SUNDAYBUDDYREAD JUNE 🏳️‍🌈

Schedule coming soon
❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🖤🤎🩵🩷

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TheBookHippie

Murder Road | Simone St. James

JULY and our SIMONE! YAY!!
We do so love our reads with her!!
#SUNDAYBUDDYREAD 🖤

Librarybelle I‘m so excited for this! 2d

FlowerFairy Really enjoyed this one! 2d

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TheBookHippie

A Scatter of Light | Malinda Lo

#SUNDAYBUDDYREAD JUNE 🏳️‍🌈

Schedule coming soon
❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🖤🤎🩵🩷

slategreyskies Oh, I‘m looking forward to this one! I‘ve already got my copy! 3d

willaful I'd like to join! 3d

AmyG Yay! 2d

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TheBookHippie @willaful 😊 yay! 2d

Read4life I‘ve got my copy and have been (im)patiently waiting 🤓 2d

Catsandbooks Gonna jump in on this one! Got my copy! 2d

TheBookHippie @Catsandbooks YAY!!! 2d

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The Manhattan Girls | Gill Paul

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I personally know too much of Dorothy to not see the timeline changes, people left out of the story, I‘m not sure this is her- rolling with it. And I‘m enjoying it. I cannot imagine being a woman in the 1920s and I hope we don‘t go all the way back there.

Happy Sunday All!

*If this day is awful for you I‘m sending so much love and a big hug. If you love this day I hope you enjoy it. If it‘s complicated I get it (I hate it.)

Librarybelle My knowledge is limited to Dorothy Parker and her group, so thank you for sharing there are gaps and people missing! I like that historical fiction can introduce you to a topic or a person and then act as a springboard to research more information. 3d

IndoorDame This isn‘t really my image of Dorothy Parker either, but I know less about her than you so it‘s easy to roll with the book, and I‘m totally enjoying the story for what it is. Turning all the way back to the 20s is a terrifying thought! Thanks for that image 🤣 and I‘m sorry you hate this day, sending love ♥️ 3d

Sargar114 I‘m surprised there wasn‘t a discussion about the suicide scene. It felt incredibly irresponsible for the author to be as graphic as she was. I know nothing about Dorothy Parker so this was surprising, but more so just because of the level of detail. I‘m taking this with a grain of salt. It doesn‘t seem like the author paints her in a very flattering light though compared to her friends. 3d

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IndoorDame @Sargar114 I totally agree that so far the author isn‘t painting Dottie in a particular flattering light compared to the others, which I was really surprised by, and I‘m extremely curious to see if that changes by the end of the book. But I actually didn‘t find the scene with her suicide attempt at all graphic, so maybe it just depends on your background and perspective. 3d

TheBookHippie @Sargar114 I thought it was highly irresponsible as I posted earlier in the week. As I‘m grieving someone who just took their life I just didn‘t have the energy for it today. It is problematic to write of it the way she did. 3d

IndoorDame @TheBookHippie 🤍🤍🤍🤍 3d

Sargar114 @TheBookHippie I‘m so sorry to hear that. Hugs lady ❤️❤️❤️ 3d

vlwelser I hope you have a lovely and relaxing day. Try not to think about this book too hard today if it's not bringing you joy. 3d

AmyG @TheBookHippie I am so very sorry for your loss. 3d

AmyG As for Dottie….I know nothing about her life so like @IndoorDame it‘s easy for me to go with the flow. Again, I think (according to the book) she is an alcoholic and has some mental health issues (obviously) that pushed her to attempted suicide. She needs real help which I am not sure she will get being it‘s the 1920‘s. 3d

AmyG I am also….really enjoying this book alot more than I thought. 3d

mcctrish I feel like this book travels at light speed, it reads so fast for me. The subject matter is very heavy and while I know some of DP‘s famous lines I thought her life was much easier than this besides the usual woman in a man‘s world shit. I‘m not not liking the ease of this read but it‘s a disservice to the heaviness of the topics. 3d

mcctrish Christine I am so sorry for your loss 3d

TheBookHippie @mcctrish it does read quickly. I keep reminding myself if someone followed me 7-28 I wouldn‘t read much differently -although I abhor drinking to this access and was more fiercely independent than Dottie. I have quite a bit of compassion for all of them. Trauma is just hard. I‘m with @AmyG in 1920s not much help for any type of mental health, outside of institution. 😵‍💫 3d

IndoorDame @TheBookHippie it‘s odd how much of a NY upper class/Intelligencia thing that kind of drinking is. I naturally gave it up when I left NY because it‘s essentially social drinking, but if I go back for a weekend I definitely drink more 3d

TheBookHippie @IndoorDame I agree. It‘s definitely a thing. 3d

slategreyskies Just a quick note to say that I‘m still following along, but I didn‘t really have much I wanted to say about today‘s reading. Mother‘s Day is a tough day for me, and I didn‘t want to touch the topic of suicide with a ten foot pole, so I‘m just gonna coast on past it and hope to contribute more in next week‘s discussion. 🤍 3d

TheBookHippie @slategreyskies I hear you. I hate this day. I just try to get through it. And I‘m coasting this week. Fair warning IRL Dorothy attempts twice. Shouldn‘t be in this timeline but the author isn‘t really following one closely. 3d

Karisa @slategreyskies @TheBookHippie 🤍🤍🤍 3d

mollyrotondo I don‘t like that this focuses so much on Dottie‘s weaknesses. I love Jane‘s storyline with her work as a reporter and I love Winifred‘s storyline with her acting career and the monster stalking her. I wish Dottie‘s story focused more on her writing. Peggy feels like she has no story. 3d

TheBookHippie @mollyrotondo I agree! I don‘t think she likes her😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫. 3d

mollyrotondo @TheBookHippie I am so sorry to for the loss of your loved one❤️ 3d

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The Manhattan Girls | Gill Paul

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Peggy should she have called Dotties husband?👀

Also Poor Dottie
Get it together girl
Ask for HELP

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20170605-dorothy-parkers-stunning-wit-and-tr...

“I wish I could have met her, just once, held her hand and whispered, “I understand.”
https://www.jpost.com/j-spot/article-707770

IndoorDame I felt super weird about Peggy calling her husband! It seems like overstepping in a major way. Also he was awful! And opening that door again is almost guaranteed to backfire. 3d

Librarybelle Totally agree, @IndoorDame ! I was not a fan of her calling Dottie‘s husband. I think that was overstepping. 3d

Sargar114 This was so weird!!! This is where Peggy took a step down in my opinion. A terrible husband is NOT better than no husband. Dottie needs to learn how to live on her own. 3d

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vlwelser I think Peggy was desperate and didn't have any better ideas about keeping her friend safe. She may have just thought he would send more money. 3d

AmyG I felt Peggy overstepped a bit but I also felt SHE felt she was helping. Dottie is one hot mess. She is lucky she has such devoted friends. 3d

mcctrish Dottie couldn‘t be left alone. Neysa was away so the easiest of quick check ins was off the table, moving to Jane‘s house should have been insisted on - not only the animals. But Dottie refused, so what‘s left ? There are 2 men responsible for Dotties mental duress and one of them needs to stand up. Just take care of her for a month or 2 (edited) 3d

mcctrish @Sargar114 she does need to learn to live on her own 3d

Sargar114 @AmyG agree that Dottie does have wonderful friends. She is incredibly lucky and I like seeing them all step up for her in different ways (even if I don‘t agree with how). I also like that they step up regardless of their personal beliefs, but because a friend needs them. Love women helping women! 3d

Sargar114 Especially cause the men in this particular subgroup are terrible 3d

TheBookHippie @Sargar114 So terrible. 😵‍💫 3d

AmyG @Sargar114 I agree, the men are awful. Reminds me of the men in The Golden Notebook. 🤣 3d

TheBookHippie @AmyG 🤣😵‍💫🤣 3d

kspenmoll @Sargar114 I so agree- Dottie seems like a dependent child. I keep thinking was she really like this ?! (edited) 3d

Karisa @mcctrish That‘s what I think it came down to too. Peggy just realized that Dottie was not safe and needed help. I didn‘t think he would come back either @IndoorDame I thought at the most he‘d just send more money. It was like he was just waiting for that call (probably thought it would come from Dottie though) 3d

mollyrotondo I thought Peggy was overstepping but I also understand that she wanted to help her friend and Neysa wasn‘t going to be around. Just feel like calling in the men isn‘t necessarily the best idea 3d

BarkingMadRead This shocked me. He left her. Why would calling him fix anything? This has to be temporary, I can‘t imagine him sticking around for long! 2d

julieclair @BarkingMadRead Agreed. And I was also shocked by his reaction. He started sobbing? What? After all he had done to her? 2d

Read4life @BarkingMadRead & @julieclair I agree. It definitely wasn‘t the reaction I expected. 2d

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TheBookHippie

The Manhattan Girls | Gill Paul

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Janes huge party 👀
Interesting food choices ?

Helen Hayes https://www.kennedy-center.org/artists/h/ha-hn/helen-hayes/

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Helen-Hayes

Edna Ferber http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20419

https://www.pbs.org/video/the-works-of-edna-ferber-gwkvku/

http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/ferber-edna

Librarybelle Sounded like a huge celebration, but wasn‘t it also the food that Alec wanted to see??? 3d

IndoorDame @Librarybelle I think it was all the food he wanted. At some point she‘s gonna figure out that pandering to him doesn‘t work and save her energy for something more fun, right? 3d

Librarybelle I hope so, @IndoorDame ! 3d

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vlwelser Chinese food would have been amazing. I hate that Alec makes all the choices but makes no contributions. 3d

AmyG Alec is a bossy, arrogant known-it-all. Iam surprised Jane puts up with him. 3d

mcctrish Jane is trying to kill Alec with kindness but he just thinks it‘s his due. He can buy his own house and plan all his own fucking parties. @vlwelser I thought Chinese food sounded amazing too !! Alec doesn‘t have to do any work ever, he makes my blood boil 3d

TheBookHippie @vlwelser @IndoorDame @vlwelser @AmyG @mcctrish not sure the author knows and since most of our characters are Jewish and in NYC https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/the-secret-history-of-jews-and-chinese... 3d

IndoorDame @TheBookHippie that‘s awesome! Thanks! We definitely grew up with that attitude towards Chinese food and kashrut in NY, and we always went out for Chinese on Christmas (plus like basically once a week 🤣) but I never knew there was any explanation to the Christmas tradition beyond nothing else was open. 3d

mcctrish @TheBookHippie I absolutely thought when I read about the Chinese women cooking up the food “this is the beginning of it all!” 3d

TheBookHippie @IndoorDame I love that the Chinese Diner here does the same thing it‘s all us “misfits”. Such a lovely history. 3d

TheBookHippie @mcctrish YES!! 3d

kspenmoll It was totally ridiculous that Jane catered to Alex‘s demands that the Chinese chiefs cook traditional ( in his white male mindset) dishes he wanted to eat. Thanks for the article about Chinese food/Jews. (edited) 3d

Karisa It reminded me of the Dreaming of a Jewish Christmas documentary on PBS https://pbs.org/video/dreaming-of-a-jewish-christmas-vk2hD9?source=social 3d

mollyrotondo Alec is awful and I don‘t know why Jane still thinks she can pander to him and that will keep him happy. So far nothing keeps him from being an ass 3d

julieclair Great links! I was delighted to see Helen Hayes appear in the book… all I could think was that one day she‘d have a theater named after her. And the Jewish tradition of Chinese food on Christmas - like @IndoorDame , I always thought it was just because those were the only open restaurants. 2d

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The Manhattan Girls | Gill Paul

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Christmas
Peggy takes Dottie home.
Oy the phone call
Peggy is very kind about being a fool in love…

IndoorDame Sometime around this phone call she‘s starting to veer off towards too naive for me to find believable. For a while that kind of infatuation really is all consuming. But it‘s been months, and all her friends have told her what she should expect, and she got pregnant and he didn‘t care… someone doesn‘t need to actually tell you they‘re never leaving their partner, and/or they‘re never going to stay with you for you to know that. 3d

TheBookHippie @IndoorDame Exactly. 3d

Librarybelle The phone call made me shudder. I like your point about Dottie seeming to be a bit naive at this point, @IndoorDame . 3d

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Sargar114 It‘s hard to see things you don‘t want to see. The phone call was so cringe 😵‍💫 3d

vlwelser Dottie is coming across as a fool. But we all do stupid things sometimes 3d

AmyG Dottie is a self-posessed fool. Honestly, I don‘t like her at all. She is desperate and just makes bad, bad choices. I also think she may be an alcoholic. 3d

mcctrish @AmyG I am with you on this. While I totally understand her broken family life has made her crave a family/love for her own AND that the heart wants what the heart wants, she is living in NYC a semi non-traditional lifestyle for a woman of that age/era. She needs to pick a lane. They also ( the 4 women - 5 if we include Neysa) need to talk more amongst themselves. Dottie is a train wreck and you don‘t fix that yourself 3d

TheBookHippie @mcctrish Right?! They need to talk TOEACHOTHER 😵‍💫 3d

kspenmoll Dottie is a “train wreck”, seems totally self absorbed, drinks too much, etc. 3d

Karisa Yeah, I was so glad her friends were stepping in to help care for Dottie, but she just couldn‘t seem to leave it alone. Neysa spelled it out for her early on but Dottie could not hear it. As the book mentions, Parker was full of contradictions but @vlwelser says maybe it just makes her depiction more true to life in this part. 3d

mollyrotondo @IndoorDame agree with you completely. I mean we all act foolishly sometimes but this was just so self destructive. To call him? When he left you to be with his WIFE on Christmas? Such major reasons to let him go. I also find it interesting how much marriage seemed to be a loose committed amongst so many. It just seems like a lot of people in this group found it normal to be married and to have other relationships instead of labeling it cheating 3d

TheBookHippie @mollyrotondo As divorce wasn‘t really an option or legal really and many marriages still “arranged” affairs were “normal” in this time frame …Reports in the 1920s indicated that 28% of American men and 24% of women were adulterous at some point after wedding. I‘m thinking it was higher. 😵‍💫👀 3d

BarkingMadRead Ugh how can someone so smart make such poor choices!! 2d

julieclair Dottie is totally consumed by insecurity. It‘s so hard to watch the poor choices she makes as a result. She is a train wreck for sure. 2d

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Winifred
I rather like her
She takes good care of Dottie too
I love her street smarts
But the gangster… yikes

I hope we get more of her story…
Although IRL I‘ve not found much on her.

IndoorDame I really like her too! The explanation for why she knew where to go for a therapeutic abortion was unbearably sad. I also thought it was interesting that the author made a point of including details to show us that there really had been a friend before, and she wasn‘t talking about herself euphemistically. Like as readers we couldn‘t handle thinking of her being used in that way, even though we already know there‘s some unnamed abuse in her past. 3d

TheBookHippie @IndoorDame Yes the underlying subtle not subtle feelings of the author are pushing through or the author is incredibly sheltered or ignorant or religious? 😵‍💫🤣🤷🏻‍♀️ or all three😱 (edited) 3d

Librarybelle I‘m curious how the storyline with Winifred and the monster will progress. I feel something is going to happen - you cannot keep saying no to a monster without some sort of repercussions. 3d

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Sargar114 @IndoorDame that‘s an interesting point, I didn‘t even think that it could have been Winifred. Probably me being oblivious, but can totally see that. I do wonder what will happen with her and the mobster. Did he find out about her because of Jane? 3d

vlwelser She's fierce and a good friend. I'm concerned about the gangster business 3d

AmyG Yes, I wonder where the gangster “stuff” plays into the story with Jane and Winifred. I like her but it seems she had some sort of abuse (?) in her past…maybe we find out. 3d

mcctrish @Librarybelle I‘m quite apprehensive about that story line. I really like Winnifred, she‘s got good clear boundaries now which she put up obviously thx to something awful happening. I think the 4 girls need to talk/share and learn from each other 3d

Librarybelle @mcctrish Yes…I agree. 3d

kspenmoll I like her too, her compassion,boundaries. 3d

Karisa The gangster with the flowers every show and not taking no for an answer is so creepy. It reminds me of a biography I read about Hedy Lamarr‘s that included the story of her Nazi munitions business husband. He also kept flooding her with flowers and stalking. Controlling and frightening 3d

mollyrotondo @Karisa I read the fictional book about Hedy Lamarr and was very shocked that was her backstory. So happy she was able to get away and come to the U.S. 3d

mollyrotondo I also like Winifred a lot. I also find her storyline really intriguing. I hope nothing terrible happens to her with this gangster. It‘s interesting because actresses are still targets of stalkers today. It‘s not safe always being in the spotlight. And issue that I don‘t think gets seriously addressed. 3d

TheBookHippie @Karisa YES!! Exactly. Scary controlling. 3d

BarkingMadRead Love Winifred, super stressed about the gangster, they don‘t like the word no! 2d

julieclair I give Winifred so much credit for turning the mobster down as many times as she has. But she can‘t keep doing that forever. And the mobster obviously won‘t take “no” for an answer. Very worrisome. 2d

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