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Late for the readalong but figured I‘d finish it, and wish I‘d just chucked it. Repetitive but never particularly clear or convincing, Harris just seems to spitballing about something he kinda believes but can‘t convey. Not a great one, and if he were anybody else I don‘t think this would have gotten published at all.
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kspenmoll I would have bailed if not that we discussed it. Most times not sure how to respond! (edited) 2w

GingerAntics 100% agree… I‘m sorry we picked it, honestly. 2w

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GingerAntics

Free Will | Sam Harris

so-so

This book certainly gives one things to think about and starts conversations; however, it leaves some questions. Perhaps this is meant as a simple introduction - which it did, sort of - but there is definitely more to be covered and answers to be had that are not found in this book.
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GingerAntics I was just expecting more actual discussion of how free will isn‘t real, but this seemed to sort of push through and say “trust me” on a lot. I can‘t help but feel a bit disappointed. #FreeWill #SamHarris #Philosophy #AdventuresInPhilosophy #DeadPhilosophersSociety
@TheBookHippie @ravenlee @JaclynW @RavenLovelyReads @AlaSkaat @Chrissyreadit @kspenmoll @bnp 1mo

TheBookHippie It infuriated me I had to bail 😫😬 1mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie this is the second Sam Harris book I‘ve read, and the second time I was disappointed by a Sam Harris book. Sorry bro, but I think I‘m done. 1mo

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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie also, you probably didn‘t miss anything. 1mo

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics my brain is mush and it was making me angry 😂 1mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that is fair. I think I managed to plow through with the audiobook and the ability to listen at 3x speed. 1mo

kspenmoll @TheBookHippie I plowed thru but I could not tell you a word I read. Speaking of mush! 😂🤯 (edited) 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll it used a lot of words to not say much. 1mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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GingerAntics Is this an intro to another book? I feel like there was very little explanation. I almost feel more confused than when we started. 1mo

GingerAntics I seem to be disappointed in the Sam Harris books I read. Every single one is a like, but or an eh. 1mo

kspenmoll I would have bailed but for your discussion questions! 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I struggled for discussion questions. I am not going to lie. 1mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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Did anyone else feel like it ended abruptly? Maybe that‘s a separate question.
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kspenmoll There was a point where i was reading Hitler‘s People about Nazi movers & shakers & I thought they had free will & made choices, fully aware of what Hitler‘s & his minions‘ policies, despite denials post war.

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GingerAntics @kspenmoll he failed to define what he meant by free will, because that‘s a game changer. Did those people have choices, yes they did. Were they as open ended and free as one might hope? Probably not. Get on board or die isn‘t much of a choice, is it? It is, in fact, a choice though; and some people chose not to get on board. Sadly, they died so we have no idea if they later regretted that choice. 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll to say no one has any choices is obviously false. To say anyone can make any choice, that‘s also obviously false. Our choices are limited by socioeconomic status, gender, where we live, etc. So free will in the sense that anyone can make any choice at any time is false. He never said how he was using the term. He did make it out like a person who kills someone didn‘t make a choice (possibly from a selection of crappy choices anyway). 1mo

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Nazi Wives: The Women at the Top of Hitler's Germany, dome of the wives did survive & went to trial but few served much of a sentence- the West was too concerned with Communism. A few wrote about their allegiance to Hitler & still felt the same way towards him/his regime. (edited) 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll they didn‘t have the option to choose something different. In that day and age, your husband made the decision and did as you were told. To say they could have chosen to join a different party or something is giving women greater agency and control over their lives than they actually had. We‘re talking 1930s and 1940s. 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll oh yeah, some/many were die hard nazis, 100%. We just have to take into account that these women weren‘t really the decision makers involved. They were supposed to shut up and breed more little nazis. 1mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

so-so

What can I say? I was & still am, totally confused by this book. If not for a group read #adventuresinphilosophy, this would be a DNR /bail for me. Thank you @GingerAntics for offering stimulating discussion questions which challenged me to think through some of the books ideas.

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GingerAntics I am on the edge about this book. I feel like it left things dangling. 1mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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This ought to be an adventure. I cannot wait to reads these answers.
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TheBookHippie I will catch up 😅 1mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I think we are all feeling a little wonky and off at this point. We‘re lucky I‘ve kept up with this book since the election. 🤣😂🤣 1mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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I did accidentally read last week‘s chapter the well before, but I did come up with another question.
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kspenmoll All that you mentioned! 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll sadly, I feel there an amount of character development that is entirely out of control of the individual… up to a point. If you were raised poorly, as an adult you have to make the choice to learn differently. You also have to be free and choose to question your beliefs. Unfortunately, very few people actually do this. The genetics you can‘t really do anything about, though. 1mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

I think I accidentally read/listened to this week‘s chapter last week, but I need to double check for sure. How is everyone doing so far this week?
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kspenmoll I am behind, having trouble focusing- 2mo

AlaSkaat I am couple chapters behind! With my twins funeral and cremation and developing a womb infection!!! It‘s been the hardest past 8 weeks of my life. Life always gets in the way of our book discussions! I‘d love to finish this one but might be a little late 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat oh my God! I am SO sorry! We are so not important right now. We will discuss this whenever you want. Big digital hugs! I am so so sorry for what you‘re going through. We‘re here if you need to talk, or vent, or whatever. 🤗🤗🤗 1mo

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GingerAntics @kspenmoll same! I feel like I‘m just escaping and doing whatever I can to just ignore the madness. 1mo

kspenmoll @AlaSkaat Sending you love love love. I am so deeply sorry. 💕💕💕 1mo

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics @kspenmoll Thank you guys ❤️‍🩹 books are actually my escape atm so it‘s very helpful. But my mind is working slow so reading is going slow, but I‘ll get there 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat there is nothing wrong with that, just take your time. 1mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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On this, the most stressful day (and probably week) of the year, how are you doing? Everyone getting some down time and taking care of themselves?
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AlaSkaat Sorry I‘m a couple chapters behind! It‘s been such a rough month. I‘m going to have time to rest this weekend so I‘ll catch up then!! 2mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I‘m not so sure about that now. We just have to conclusion, but it may have to wait a few weeks. We‘ll see what everyone says. 2mo

ravenlee I‘ve been having one of the most difficult months of my life…and then the election happened. Sorry I haven‘t been present for the read. 2mo

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GingerAntics @ravenlee it‘s definitely been a month or so! That election certainly didn‘t help anything. Ugh! I‘m keep hoping there is some kind of irregularity found or something (ANYthing), but I know there won‘t be. It‘s just so hard to give up on hope. 2mo

kspenmoll @ravenlee I have been in & out myself & behind in reading. Sending you hugs- & hope that despite the election, your personal life gets better. 💖 2mo

kspenmoll I am behind like everyone else… 2mo

GingerAntics It‘s a good time to be behind. I‘m glad we scheduled specifically to have wiggle room. We will get through this together. 2mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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This one is a real thinker.
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kspenmoll No it would not. Harris says a few things such as “The urge for retribution depends on our not seeing underlying causes of human behavior.”(55) 2mo

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