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Adventure of the Noble Bachelor: The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

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What did y'all think? 🤩

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IndoorDame I think this is the first time Sherlock and I agree that no crime was committed and everyone should run along home 😂 2w

Librarybelle True, @IndoorDame ! 2w

dabbe @IndoorDame Unless you want to charge Hatty Doran with bigamy! 😀 2w

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IndoorDame @dabbe oooh, we totally could! But it seems petty since she didn‘t steal money from either husband (and running off with your own fortune is the sort of thing that calls for recriminations against marrying someone just for the money) 2w

dabbe @IndoorDame Agree 💯. Hatty and Frank deserve each other. 😂 2w

dabbe A couple of things I found to be a hoot in this one:
•When Lestrade is so proud of the clue he found, Holmes looks at it, and Lestrade SHRIEKS, “You're looking at the wrong side!“
•When Simon dares to say to Holmes that the cases he's solved so far were from the lower classes, Sherlock replies that he is “descending“ in Simon's case and that his last client “of the sort was a king.“ 2w

kelli7990 I liked this story. 2w

CogsOfEncouragement @dabbe Yes, Wrong side!?! - so funny. And when Simon is quite struck that he is not the highest client Holmes has aided. (HOW embarrassing lol)

I also thought is was silly for Simon to come for help from Holmes but then say “I am afraid it will take wiser heads than yours or mine“ and then amusing when Holmes says it was an honor of Simon to put his head on the level with Simon's.

@Librarybelle @IndoorDame 2w

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement I forgot about that last one, too! 😂 2w

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dabbe

Adventure of the Noble Bachelor: The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheNobleBachelor
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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IndoorDame I think you could title this one Everyone Behaving Badly. Watson and the hapless inspector seem to me to come off the best, and our society couple the worst, but no one‘s behavior quite reaches noble, and Holmes‘ staging of the reveal is a bit self serving and distasteful. 2w

Librarybelle I‘m not sure anyone‘s behavior could be described as noble. St. Simon does remind me of the stereotypical nobility-type. 2w

dabbe Hatty's dad was abominable: getting rich then forbidding his daughter to marry Frank because he had no money, but hey, let's marry a lord for his title! Frank doesn't think Hatty can stay faithful unless they secretly marry so he can “feel sure of her.“ Plus he has her go through with the marriage to Simon when he magically appears at her wedding? Why couldn't they cause a scene at the church? They certainly did later! ⬇️ (edited) 2w

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dabbe Then Hatty wants to avoid everything and everybody: it's too “dreadful hard“ to tell Simon the truth, so let's just run away. Oh, and let's have Frank hide her wedding clothes because that'll solve everything. It takes SH to make them see the light, and then he thinks they can all get together for a happy supper? Yowza! 😂 2w

dabbe And ... no one seems to care what happens to Flora Miller. Lestrade thinks she killed Hatty, so is she left to still rot in jail? And even though Simon behaved “nobly“ by shaking Hatty's hand, he had no problem flinging it with Flora--just as any noble bachelor would do, right? 2w

Sace @dabbe Exactly! I need more story about Flora! 2w

CogsOfEncouragement @IndoorDame @Librarybelle @dabbe @sace I was surprised Watson was callous, saying Simon was not very gracious, while Holmes understood the hurt of losing a bride (okay & fortune lol). I saw Holmes as thoughtful providing an expensive dinner to allow Simon to get some closure in a private space. With upscale bottles of wine, for him to ease his pain as he heard the tale w/Holmes & Watson serving as buffer. And Yes, was Flora justified? 2w

IndoorDame @dabbe yes, I really hope someone gets her out of jail!!!!🤞🏼its maybe not strictly “nice” to crash your exes wedding to cause a scene, but I don‘t think we can justify the level punishment for her rudeness she‘d get for kidnapping and killing the new bride! 2w

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement Holmes does show his softer side in this one, doesn't he? Excellent point! 🤩 2w

dabbe @IndoorDame @Sace I've read that Doyle was known for “forgetting“ plot lines throughout his stories, but in the same one? He totally leaves Flora out there to hang! 2w

Sace Did Doyle forget or was she just a run of the mill danseuse not worthy of anything more? (I just wanted an excuse to use danseuse in a sentence 😂) 2w

Aimeesue @Sace 😂😂😂 2w

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dabbe

Adventure of the Noble Bachelor: The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheNobleBachelor
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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Cuilin I really enjoyed it with its soap opera, telenovela vibe about it!! 2w

IndoorDame @Cuilin same! 2w

Librarybelle That‘s a good way of describing it, @Cuilin ! 2w

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dabbe We have everyone pretty much behaving abominably and misreading one another, and then SH tries to have the proverbial happy ending like a Shakespearean comedy of errors, to a “soap opera,“ as @Cuilin stated so well. 2w

CogsOfEncouragement How many times have I read a story, where the whole of the problem could have been solved with one conversation??? It was good of Holmes to pressure Hatty to face Simon. It was the decent thing to do. And as someone also pointed out on another post - Flora did nothing to Hatty. Lestrande needed proof of that though lol. @Cuilin @IndoorDame @Librarybelle @dabbe 2w

kelli7990 I didn‘t laugh but I found one part of the story kind of funny. 2w

dabbe @kelli7990 Would you like to share which one? 🤩 2w

kelli7990 @dabbe I don‘t remember what scene it was. 2w

dabbe @kelli7990 No problem. If you found it funny, that's what matters. 🤗 2w

Cuilin @CogsOfEncouragement imagine if people would just talk and share information 🫢 2w

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Impeachment: An American History | Jon Meacham, Timothy Naftali, Peter Baker, Jeffrey A Engel

It‘s more of an end of the chapter question, but I‘m going to ask it now. I think we can all see this will not end well. However, how would things have been different if Nixon had just cooperated and handed over what he was asked to hand over from the beginning? #discussion #richardnixon #impeachment #politicalscience #uspolitics #history #ushistory

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Sherlock Holmes and the Adventure of the Speckled Band | Arthur Conan Doyle

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@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheSpeckledBand
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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Librarybelle I think this one was well constructed, had a sinister feel, and was a good overall mystery. 1mo

IndoorDame I loved it!!!!! But can you train snakes? And assuming you can, aren‘t there easier, less dangerous, ways to kill pesky family members or their unwanted fiancée‘s? 1mo

CrystalE02 I loved it!!!! I found it very interesting. 1mo

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Daisey This is one of my favorites of the short stories. 1mo

dabbe @IndoorDame Good question! I know people do the cobra-dancing thing, but I don't know that the cobras are truly trained (since quite a few get bitten and even die in the process)--plus, snakes aren't mammals, and milk is like poison to them. 1mo

dabbe I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for an excellent detective story, however, if you have time for dying words, Julia, maybe you should avoid metaphors: “Oh, my God! Helen! It was the band! The speckled band!“ is nice and all, but in that same amount of time you could have said, “I was bitten by a damn snake! Here's the wound!“ Roylott would then have been in jail long ago. Just sayin'. 😀 I know--it might have been too quick to totally see. 😂 1mo

IndoorDame @dabbe you‘re so right! That was especially cryptic for last words 😂😂😂 1mo

kelli7990 I enjoyed this story. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement A snake behaving this way is pretty crazy, but I suppose if an author invents a snake, an author can decide how it behaves and what it needs to survive. lol
I enjoyed this entertaining short story. 1mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement That sounds like a great game, too: Invent-a-Snake! 🤩 1mo

Aimeesue Look, ACD, I‘ve HAD a pet snake and Jeffery did NOT drink milk. He was cute when he drank out of his water bowl though. He was not about to obey commands either. Maybe I could‘ve left him a trail of crickets leading up to my intended victim, I guess. Even then, it‘d be iffy. And he wouldn‘t have come back, that‘s for sure. 🐍 1mo

dabbe @Aimeesue 🤩🐍🤩 #jeffery #perfectsnakename 1mo

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Sherlock Holmes and the Adventure of the Speckled Band | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheSpeckledBand
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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IndoorDame Sherlock was WRONG! I mean only for a second, and mostly to teach us a lesson about jumping to conclusions, but still, for a second there he was WRONG! This guy is good! 1mo

Librarybelle I was going to say the same thing, @IndoorDame ! 1mo

CrystalE02 I agree with @IndoorDame 1mo

dabbe And not only is Roylott a match intellectually, but physically as well. I think Holmes is a bit intimidated by Roylott (even though his words are witty, and he hides it well)--proven by the fact that he has to bend the poker back to show he's equal to Roylott in physicality as well as mental abilities. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement Roylott gets away with the first murder for years. Roylott isn't so secure in his genius when Holmes is brought in to the mix though. He tries to physically intimidate him, but that just makes him more of a suspect. I was impressed by the poker being bent, but then Holmes straightened it and I realized it wasn't the brag Roylott thought it was. 1mo

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dabbe

Sherlock Holmes and the Adventure of the Speckled Band | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheSpeckledBand
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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IndoorDame The country house mystery is definitely my favorite, and this one had an especially sinister vibe… sketchy family history, renovations, mostly empty, evil stepdad type, townsfolk who keep far away, useless stuff, cheetah roaming around… 1mo

Librarybelle I‘m a big fan of the country mystery setting - it seems more isolated, and it‘s really easy to build up the isolation aspect and the suspenseful feel behind that. Also…the wild animals on the ground! Just wow…the country setting is perfect for the cheetah and the baboon to hide. 1mo

Cuilin Country house? Yes. Quasi locked room? Also yes. The setting was perfect. 1mo

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CrystalE02 The setting was perfect!!! I loved the country setting. 1mo

dabbe @Cuilin Am I right in thinking this is the first SH locked-room mystery? Or would “The Red-Headed League“ fit that bill a little, too? 🤔 1mo

Cuilin @dabbe oh good question though neither are probably true locked room mysteries. 1mo

kelli7990 The setting was perfect for this story. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement The sisters should have been able to enjoy walks together on the grounds, instead they were on guard for wild animals their stepfather imported. What an unnecessary danger to the whole community. Having so much of the house unused was creepy to me too. I would have been begging my aunt to take me in long ago! lol 1mo

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dabbe

Sherlock Holmes and the Adventure of the Speckled Band | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheAdventureOfTheSpeckledBand
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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IndoorDame That‘s so funny, it is so far! But I seriously thought it was just because I enjoy going back and thinking more about the ones I know the best and this one is super familiar. If it‘s everyone‘s fave I‘m gonna have to do some serious thinking about why! 1mo

Librarybelle I‘m not sure I can really say it‘s my favorite - I don‘t think I have a favorite at the moment - but this one felt more sinister and suspenseful to me than the others so far. I really like that about this story. 1mo

CatLass007 I don‘t know if it‘s my favorite but it certainly is the most straightforward mystery. All of the clues were presented to the reader at the same time as Holmes learned about them. I was able to reach the conclusion that a poisonous snake was involved, even though I didn‘t know the exact breed of snake. So maybe it is my favorite SH story so far, because nothing was hidden from the reader. 1mo

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Cuilin I loved it!! It reminded me of a Jonathan Creek episode. 1mo

CrystalE02 I enjoyed it. I don't think it is my favorite Sherlock Holmes story. 1mo

dabbe I agree with all of you. I'm going to have to read the whole canon again before I decide which short story truly is my favorite. Up until now, it's been in my top five, but not my #1. We'll see if that changes! 🤩 1mo

Bookwomble @CatLass007 The exact species of snake mentioned in the story doesn't exist in nature, so it's forgiveable that you didn't know it 🐍😊 1mo

dabbe @Bookwomble So true. And many critics have tried to figure out exactly what snake Conan Doyle was talking about. Just like playing the Sherlockian game, I guess. 🤩 1mo

CatLass007 @Bookwomble Ha! 1mo

kelli7990 I enjoyed this story but I don‘t really have a favorite story so far. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement I don't know if I have a favorite. So hard to choose. I can see how the swift justice is appealing though. 1mo

Aimeesue @Cuilin Jonathan Creek! Yes! 😂 1mo

Cuilin @Aimeesue So glad somebody got that reference. While a lot of mysteries focus on the who (done it)? or why? Sherlock and Creek seem to focus on the how, which I like. 1mo

dabbe @Cuilin Another series I have on the TBW! 🤩 1mo

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The Man with the Twisted Lip | Arthur Conan Doyle

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@Cuilin
#TheManWithTheTwistedLip
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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IndoorDame I‘m of 2 minds about this one. At first I was delighted by the surprise reveal! But in the end I genuinely wasn‘t convinced that someone could support a wife and kids in an upper/middle class-ish lifestyle by begging 1mo

Librarybelle I found this one to be weak - in the prior cases, there has been murder and revenge and other elements akin to a mystery. This one just seemed so lackluster. As I read, I kept thinking something big had to happen, and well, it didn‘t for me. Though, I‘ve been reading thrillers and other mysteries lately that have my pulse on edge, so this could be a fairly poor assessment. 1mo

Cuilin Started off slow, the mystery was interesting. And as @IndoorDame said I also wasn‘t convinced that begging could support an upper middle-class life style. 1mo

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dabbe Other than perhaps Doyle giving us his “just say no“ to drugs policy, I didn't see why we had to be inside the opium den--unless it was again to see how excellent Holmes is at disguising himself. Agree with all of you above re: just how much one could make on begging. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement I figured this one out, I think mostly because Holmes himself is always using disguises. The hidden clothes clued me in. 1mo

CrystalE02 I did like the story, not my favorites from the others. I get a kick out of Holmes and his disguises. 1mo

kelli7990 I liked this one. 1mo

Aimeesue I like this one. Stephen King also used the businessman to beggar idea in a section Hearts in Atlantis, which I reread tonight. Depending on where you‘re asking for handouts, and your skill, you can make quite a bit, according to those who‘ve done it. My area has a lot of panhandlers who work the main streets - some of them have been doing it for years in the same locations. 1mo

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dabbe

The Man with the Twisted Lip | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
@Cuilin
#TheManWithTheTwistedLip
#Discussion

What did y'all think? 🤩

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IndoorDame I thought it revealed surprisingly similar attitudes to things you hear today about charity, welfare, and panhandling 1mo

Librarybelle Agreed, @IndoorDame . It made me think of stories you hear regarding welfare and panhandling in today‘s news. I could see this happening today, and it may actually happen. 1mo

IndoorDame @Librarybelle I can see the part where someone tries to hide it from their children happening. I cannot see the part where somebody does this as a ruse happening 1mo

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dabbe This society deeply disapproved of begging; otherwise, why would St. Clair feel complete and utter SHAME for his actions, so much so, that he tries everything to conceal and fake his own disappearance? 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement Red hair comes up again. This time, part of what makes him as pitiable as possible. I have always loved red hair, adored the lovely strands of some women I know, and had a crush on two different boys with red hair in high school. So I never understand when redheads get made fun of. But I know in movies and real life they get told (fill in mean statement) because they are “a ginger“. 1mo

CogsOfEncouragement Making money at something that does not require an education or “worthy“ skill has me thinking about some other jobs that people do only because the money is so good, not because it is what they really want to do. Bartending for one, I've known at least one person with a degree do that because they can more easily pay off their school debt with the money they make doing that than the entry level job in their field. 1mo

CrystalE02 It sort of reminds me of what is going on today with what is heard on the news and everything else. What is the deal with the red hair theme? I am guessing that people with red hair back then were bad. Lol!!! I have family members with red hair and they are good. 1mo

dabbe @CrystalE02 Maybe Doyle sees them as fiery and spirited! 🤩 1mo

Librarybelle @IndoorDame I could see both. I‘m also thinking of modern day GoFundMe scams, which is different and kind of stretches what happens in the story, but if this can happen… I think my reading books featuring horrible people also makes me extremely suspicious. 😂 1mo

Aimeesue @dabbe Red hair makes him very identifiable as the beggar and draws attention while he‘s begging. It‘s also light years away from his natural appearance. People remember the remarkable characteristics and don‘t look any deeper. (edited) 1mo

dabbe @Aimeesue Excellent point. 1mo

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