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Another thrilling romp with Nancy, George, Bess, and even the boys this time! Lots of noggin-knocking and kidnapping in this one--plus some cruelty to children--a surprise for these usually benign books. Many mysteries are woven throughout the story, and they all mesh beautifully together in the end--thanks to our super-sleuth and her friends! Note: the boys need to learn how to cook!

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Number 11 with #NancyDrewBR

I enjoyed this one too. Fun adventure with the brave, clever sleuth and her loyal, capable friends.

Librarybelle Hooray!! 21h
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My #WeeklyForecast includes books for:

* #SeriesLove2024
* #NancyDrewBR (playing catch up)
* #BookSpin
* #readyourebooks
* #Roll100
* #readyourTBR

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Librarybelle Yay!! 23h
TheAromaofBooks Woohoo!!! 9h
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It‘s time for our discussion, #LittenDetectives ! It‘s a little hard to discuss two very different storylines, but let‘s try anyhow. 😂

I have 6 questions posted as spoilers that can be found on my feed, the book‘s feed, or by searching #NancyDrewBR . Respond whenever, and feel free to add anything else you wish to discuss!

Next month‘s The Message in the Hollow Oak also features very different storylines. More when I post tomorrow!

Ruthiella Pretty sure I didn‘t read The Message in the Hollow Oak before because I don‘t recognize the cover! Excited to find out more. 1d
DGRachel @Ruthiella I don‘t think I read it either. At the age I read these, I would have seen that skull and already been too scared to buy or read it! 😂 1d
kspenmoll I read all her books as a kid- wish I had those editions but rereading has been fun, especially since I know I loved these books, Hardy Boys, Happy Hollisters, Cherry Ames. 1d
Bookwormjillk I never read them as a kid. They‘re all new to me! I bought a copy of this one last time I visited 1d
DebinHawaii From the plot description I don‘t remember this one necessarily but I‘m pretty sure I read it. 14h
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6. A #LittenDetective posed the question about River Height\'s location, as at least for the 1965 edition the mystery takes place in Maryland.

Later Nancy Drew novels allude to River Heights being located near Chicago, and older novels suggest a Midwest location (according to a source I read). It seems a pretty far drive for Carson to send Nancy to ready a cabin in 1965!

Any thoughts on location? #NancyDrewBR

Ruthiella Is this the first time Nancy has been out of state since Arizona and The Secret of Shadow Ranch? 🤔 I think In Nancy‘s Mysterious Letter, someone is flying to NYC, where makes more sense if River Heights is near Chicago. Could be a continuity error, like with the mention of Ned before Nancy actually officially meets him. 1d
DGRachel It‘s a 7 hour drive from where I live to Baltimore, so I was confused by this, too. I thought River Heights was near Chicago, and I cannot see Nancy driving 10+ hours straight through. I figured someone just really wanted to set the book in Maryland and didn‘t think about Nancy‘s starting point. It usually feels like these books could take place nearly anywhere, the locations are so poorly drawn. 1d
jlhammar I also always thought that River Heights was supposed to be near Chicago. Quite the drive! 1d
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Bookwormjillk I always thought Chicago too! 1d
kspenmoll I had just thought somewhere in the Midwest where wholesome Nancy lived. 1d
MariaW I never gave it any thought because no direct directions or indications of the place where given. But I do not live in the US. To me it always sounded like the places the mysteries happened were somewhat nearby Rived Heights - sometimes closer sometimes further away. It is a first time that a name was mentioned that is an actual city. 24h
CogsOfEncouragement Continuity errors tend to be a problem in series like this one with multiple authors. Comic books are notorious for this too. I find it interesting that there was not a person at the helm with notes of certain things to aide the incoming authors. It seems it was not a priority.

I had questions about this drive too ( in chap 1 they did stay in a motel one night on the way) but made a choice to shrug it off and enjoy the adventure for what it is.
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DGRachel @CogsOfEncouragement I missed the motel stay. That makes my brain far less itchy. 22h
DebinHawaii I gave up on where River Heights is supposed to be. For some reason I always thought upstate New York but I was a Trixie Belden reader before Nancy Drew so I probably transferred the location from that series! 🤷🏻‍♀️ 14h
mrp27 I always felt River Heights was east coast, near NY but not in any specific place. I really don‘t give it too much thought though. 13h
dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement Agree 💯. If the varied writers can keep saying in every book that Nancy is titian-haired, George is boyish with short hair, and Bess is blonde and always plump (that one always pisses me off), why can\'t they get the setting straight? 🤣 2h
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5. Of course, in the 1965 edition, Nancy has her friends Bess and George, along with an appearance from Ned and his gang. We also meet Cecily, Niko of The Flying Dutchmen, and the bad Driscolls. The Driscolls are modeled from the 1934 Blairs.

Both editions feature violence towards small children, which I honestly was surprised to see!

Any thoughts on any of the side characters in this story? #NancyDrewBR

Ruthiella The treatment of the twins was difficult, even in a kid‘s book like this. That was my least favorite part. Let‘s hope they got therapy afterwards. I did like how much of a role Ned, Burt, and Dave played in this one. 1d
DGRachel I really disliked the Driscolls. So, good job to the author there. I thought the police chief, initially, was more realistic than Nancy‘s hometown chief, in that he pretty much blows her off and then lectures her, whereas the guy at home seems o practically idolize her. I loved have Ned & Co, alongside Bess & George, but I‘m getting so tired of the fat shaming of Bess. I liked Niko, too. I thought the band aspect was fun. 1d
Bookwormjillk The twins in the 1934 edition were treated harshly as well. I liked the brother and sister that were reunited and was interested that WWI came into the story. 1d
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jlhammar This mystery felt more like a team effort. Fun to have the boys along for the ride. I kept picturing The Flying Dutchmen as a Beach Boys type group. Anyone else? I have to admit to laughing when Nancy suggested that they all stop for Sunday morning church service. It just felt a bit forced/overt, like okay the girls are having a weekend away from home with their boyfriends, but look, it\'s all so wholesome! (edited) 1d
kspenmoll More of the “ men” added to the fun & 😂 at the church intermission! @jlhammar ! 1d
MariaW This time Bess and George were portayed on my cover and I kept wondering what a girl might think seeing Bess portayed like the other girls and still being fat shamed in the story. @DGRachel 24h
MariaW @jlhammar Totally agree on the church service. It seemed like the authors/publisher realized that Nancy should be more liek a “regular” girl sometimes. 🙈 24h
DGRachel @jlhammar I was dying at the church service thing. 😂 I never even thought about the difference between the cover and the description of Bess @MariaW It kind of makes me angrier. 23h
CogsOfEncouragement I liked the explanation of why Susan kept fleeing from ND. I felt like she would be paranoid and not trust anyone in her situation. I bought that.

I thought Cecily and Niko were really likeable.

I always like when Ned & friends show up. They are consistently helpful, follow ND directions well, etc.

I was embarrassed for the frightened Mr. Winch. Carson sends out his young daughter to do his job!
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CogsOfEncouragement I didn\'t watch It\'s A Wonderful Life until my late 30s. There is violence to a child in that which shocked me speechless. People LIKE this movie??? I only watched it once because of that and another scene that irritated me. Since seeing that, old stories that have little children hit by foul adults do not surprise me.
I consider the era and am glad we expect better of people now.
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Ruthiella @jlhammar I thought the mention of them all attending church was interesting too. I pictured The Flying Dutchmen more of a Frankie Valley and the Four Seasons kind of thing, where Niko was the heartthrob. The Davy Jones of the group, if you will. 22h
DebinHawaii The constant fat shaming of Bess is getting annoying & I agree about the cover & description discrepancy. 🤬 I like having the guys around because although they help & are helpful, they aren‘t the “rescuers” of Nancy & her friends. 14h
mrp27 I too agree about Bess, enough already and I know this has long been a complaint about the series. Always shocking and makes me uncomfortable when children are treated badly. Times are different but it never feels ok. 13h
dabbe I couldn\'t believe the outright slap from Karl Driscoll! And the arm-wrenching, verbal abuse, too! Get these twins some therapy! 😱 2h
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4. Let\'s talk about the book\'s adventures. Think about the moments of peril for Nancy and her friends in the edition you read. Does one particular moment of peril stand out for you?

For instance, in the 1965 edition, there seems to be a lot of noggin knockouts! It seemed harsh for the Driscolls to roll a log and throw rocks at Nancy and her friends. These poor characters must have some seriously hard heads (and a lot of migraines)! #NancyDrewBR

Ruthiella This one definitely had a lot of action: the sinking canoe, the attempted kidnapping after the concert, the projectiles and objects rolling down hills, being forced off the road by a truck... I would love to see the parameters the ghost writers were given. 1d
DGRachel The noggin knockouts were definitely the standouts for me. I don‘t know if the books are actually getting better or if I‘m just rolling with them more, but I was so entertained by all of the narrow misses. I did feel really bad for Cecily (?) who kept getting mistaken for Nancy. I think we should count both of her knockouts as official #NNK since they were intended for Nancy. 😂 1d
Bookwormjillk The 1934 edition didn‘t have the traumatic head injuries I‘m used to from the 1960‘s versions! 1d
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jlhammar The huge rock that struck the couch and sent Cecily and Niko flying so that they both hit their heads on the edge of the hearth was a pretty memorable one. 1d
kspenmoll Constant knockouts- how could Nancy solve anything with her noggin under fire! Definitely lots of action & drama throughout. (edited) 1d
MariaW I liked the attempted kidnapping and the canoe incident because they seemed plausible, but opening a door and throwing a huge rock at someone in a cottage with two men necessary definintely does not. 🙄 24h
CogsOfEncouragement I felt the most unease when Nancy was alone in the woods in Chap 12 being chased by Vince and another man. She ends up hiding under a dock. She hears the men say they are going to look under the dock, so ND is about to drop into the water and hold her breath as long as possible when the men suddenly hear a whistle and run off to see what Karl needs. 23h
lauraisntwilder @CogsOfEncouragement Yes! That part with the dock was so intense! 18h
DebinHawaii @DGRachel You do bring up a good point that Nancy was the intended knockout target for Cecily so we may need to add it to the #NNK counter! Although the rock being thrown was pretty shocking it kind of made me laugh that it was the bad guys‘ “big idea” - “let‘s get a big rock & open the cabin door & throw it in!”😆I guess they did hit 2people with it but it seemed very Saturday morning cartoon villain-esque. The hanging under the dock was scary!😱 14h
mrp27 Agreed, Nancy alone in the woods was a bit harrowing and all the knock outs, so many! I wonder if they knew then what we know about head knock outs now if there would have been so many. 13h
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3. The 1965 edition includes a family treasure hidden away in the American Civil War era. Yes, Maryland was a northern state, but barely...during the war, it was considered a \“border\“ state that still allowed enslavement, despite the northern stance of no slavery.

Nancy not only has to help Cecily with this mystery, but she discovers record piracy taking place.

Harriet Strateymeyer revised the 1934 text and ⬇

Librarybelle ...definitely made the topics more relevant to a 1965 readership.

What did you think of the two mysteries coming together? Plausible? Another Nancy Drew coincidence? #NancyDrewBR
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Ruthiella Totally another Nancy Drew coincidence! When I saw that Cecilly had a doppelgänger, I knew that was going to be part of the resolution. ? But I thought the record piracy aspect was really interesting! The bad guys were really quite diversified in their nefarious schemes. (edited) 1d
DGRachel I think it‘s plausible in the world of Nancy Drew. It‘s certainly as plausible, and maybe a little more so than some of the other storylines, but it‘s still “only Nancy could stumble upon this”. 1d
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Bookwormjillk The Depression wasn‘t mentioned in the 1934 edition, but it was definitely present, plus there was a character who had been gassed in WWI. So I‘m not surprised they had to change some things but sounds like they changed it all! 1d
jlhammar Abducting children to train them as acrobats one minute, pirating records the next 😂 None of their schemes seemed all that profitable or worth all this trouble to me... 1d
kspenmoll Definitely ND coincidence- two very different but connected mysteries to solve-record pirating & Civil War treasure 1d
MariaW Actually there are four mysteries to solve this time, not only the records and the children, but the treasure and the picnic launch as well. Seems we are heading for an overkill soon. But for me the different plot lines were somehow far better connected this time, even though they are still pretty unlikely. 24h
CogsOfEncouragement I always remember the intended audience & am never too critical when enjoying this series. I didn\'t think too much about the bad guys having more than one scheme they were trying to hatch. That actually seemed believable to me. And w/them in the area doing two bad things, and not doing either well - ND was bound to come across them! lol Pirating music & not having a soundproof room to do it in? Do better if you don\'t want ND taking you down! lol 23h
DebinHawaii Good point @MariaW on there being four mysteries. Definitely very Nancy Drew coincidence! 😆 14h
mrp27 As usual a huge coincidence. So odd how pirating, still illegal, seems like no big deal now. Anyone remember Napster? 13h
dabbe @mrp27 Oh, yeah, that and Limewire. 2h
dabbe Suspending your disbelief is the #1 reading requirement for the ND books, IMHO. I know this going in, and I just roll with it! 🤣 2h
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1. This month\'s discussion is slightly different, as the plot lines for the original and the revised editions are extremely different. Questions 2 and 3 will look at the 1934 and 1965 editions respectively.

Which edition did you read? The 1934 plot line features twins adopted from a foundling home, and Nancy wants to reunite the twins with their real mother.

The 1965 edition has The Flying Dutchmen, an iron bird, and record piracy. #NancyDrewBR

Ruthiella Fascinating differences! I read the 1965 version with the iron bird, etc. 1d
DGRachel Wow! How can those even be considered the same book? I read the 1965 version. 1d
jlhammar 1965 for me! 1d
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Bookwormjillk Mine was the 1934 edition. This was the first 1930‘s book I read and was surprised at how different the characters of Hannah and Mr Drew were written. Hannah was treated much more like a servant, and Mr Drew wasn‘t nearly as supportive of Nancy. (edited) 1d
kspenmoll Wow. Mine is 1965. Interesting how different the characters are portrayed @Bookwormjillk 1d
MariaW I read the 1965 version as well. 1d
CogsOfEncouragement I read 1965 this time. 24h
DGRachel @Bookwormjillk That‘s fascinating about the difference in the portrayal of Hannah and Carson. 23h
DebinHawaii I read the 1965 version too. I am fascinated by all these differences & why they occured. 15h
mrp27 1965, so interesting! 13h
dabbe I\'ve only been reading the later versions because that\'s what I read as a child. Seems like this one was much tamer than the original. #oy! 2h
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Phantom boats, pirated records, an iron bird, and noggin knockouts galore! Nancy has a couple new mysteries on her hands, thanks in part to Carson Drew asking for her help. Another fun read! #NancyDrewBR

#LittenDetectives : Tomorrow is discussion day! Questions will be posted late morning Eastern time!

Ruthiella Looking forward to seeing the discussion! 2d
BarkingMadRead I‘m way behind but I‘ll jump into the discussion as soon as I‘m done! 2d
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mrp27 Definitely a lot of noggin knock outs in this one! 2d
TheAromaofBooks Noggin knockouts for everyone 😂 1d
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