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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

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Let‘s call this discussion 0.5, because I‘m not sure what we can discuss from the page/page and a half that was the (edit) epigraph. If you haven‘t started yet, you are not even close to behind yet. lol It‘s literally two quotes. No worries.
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kspenmoll My library edition, 2016 has no epilogue, just a half page of 2 quotes. Is that what you mean or is there a newer edition? (edited) 1d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I have the 2016 digital edition. It starts with a quote from William James and then has one from Roland Dixon. It‘s an epigraph, not an epilogue. I missed that before. 1d

AlaSkaat I‘m not sure if I‘m still hangover from the wedding I attended on Saturday, but I do not understand that first quote at all! lol. 11h

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat it‘s a complicated sort of strolling quote. I‘m not sure I understand it either. I have a feeling the book itself will give us more information, and possibly explain it indirectly. I don‘t think it‘s all that important. 10h

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

I meant to post this earlier in the week, but our first “discussion” for this is tomorrow. We are just reading the epigraph, so if you don‘t have your copy yet, it‘s nothing to worry about.
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TheBookHippie Just got my library hold!! 2d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie perfect timing! 2d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

The first day is 3 weeks, but 4 Sundays away. The epigraph looks like it‘s about 2 pages, so that shouldn‘t be too bad if someone can‘t get this book until the following week.

2 Feb - Epigraph
9 Feb - Meetings Across the Tree of Life
16 Feb - A History of Animals
23 Feb - Mischief and Craft
2 Mar - From White Noise to Consciousness
9 Mar - Making Colors
16 Mar - Our Minds and Others
23 Mar - Experience Compressed
30 Mar - Octopolis

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TheBookHippie Looks good! 4w

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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie how did you see that so fast?! 4w

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics just logged in 🤣 I just put it on hold hopefully it arrives soon. 4w

kspenmoll I will check this book out-see if library has it. 4w

ravenlee Ok, I‘ll give this a try. I was getting all confused because Litsy wasn‘t showing it as read but I thought I had…I did read this about five years ago. I liked it but don‘t remember it and still have it, so I guess it‘s time. 4w

AlaSkaat Looks good. I‘ll try getting the book by end of this month 4w

kspenmoll I just got my library hold in so i am set! 2d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll so did @TheBookHippie! Both of your libraries have brilliant timing! I love that they both came in at the same time. 2d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

This also sounds fun. Let me know if you‘d rather read this (or something like it). This seems like it might be a bit more upbeat… which I feel like we need these days.
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TheBookHippie Yes!!!!!! 4w

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie doesn‘t this sound fun? Plus the cover is gorgeous! 4w

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics yes!!!! It looks so good. 4w

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AlaSkaat This sounds a lot more interesting and less daunting! 4w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat that‘s what I thought! 4w

AlaSkaat When do you guys think of starting? 4w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat that‘s going to be my next question. Do we want to start later in January or wait for February? 4w

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics February would be ideal for me, but I‘m open to anything 4w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat February 2nd is the first Sunday, and that actually gives us 4 Sundays between now and then, so everyone would have time to get a copy and what not. 4w

AlaSkaat Works for me. How would we do it this time? I read one of your comments where you said questions were hard to come up with, we could try something easier ? 4w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I‘m thinking either just open the discussion, maybe have one question to start things. I thought about opening it up so if anyone had something they wanted to discuss they could post it and we could all join in. In the Shakespeare group we just had a post and it was a discussion free for all. That wouldn‘t be so bad. 4w

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics yeah, we can try doing that 4w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I feel like the conversations are more organic that way and they‘re easier to have. You just kind of jump in. If a topic gets a ton of traction or something, we could make a separate post for it just to keep things organised if we needed to. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 4w

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics That sounds good. We‘ll see how the discussions go next time 4w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat if it doesn‘t work, we can always go back or try something else. I‘m always open to ideas. 4w

kspenmoll My son thinks he has this- now to find it in his extensive somewhat chaotic library!!!! 3w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll love that! Fingers crossed you can find it! 3w

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Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will | Robert M. Sapolsky

We talked about reading this in January, but I don‘t know how we‘re all feeling about this after the Sam Harris book.
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TheBookHippie I cannot 😩 4w

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I‘ve been having the same thought. 4w

ravenlee I got it recently and want to read it, but not immediately. I think it has to be an improvement, right? Also, “science” is a good sign that it won‘t just be incoherent ramblings. I think. I hope. 4w

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The Philosophy Book | Dorling Kindersley Publishing Staff

This sounds like us…
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kspenmoll Love this!!!! 1mo

GingerAntics Even with that flashlight, you‘re never finding that cat. That‘s just cats for ya. 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I saw it and had to share. 1mo

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TheBookHippie Omg 🖤🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣DEAD ON!!!! Lolololol. 1mo

julesG 😂😂😂 Spot on!!! 1mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll @TheBookHippie @julesG I knew this was the perfect image for this group. It just took some doing to get Litsy to actually let me post it. Oof 1mo

AlaSkaat At this point I feel like we‘ve been reading metaphysics with all those questions that always come up but no answers to them! 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I think that last one definitely left so many questions unanswered. Harris is known for the nonsense. That‘s as my second Sam Harris book, and my last 1mo

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat in all fairness, we have been reading a lot about what is real and what is not, so yeah, we‘ve been doing a lot of metaphysics. 1mo

ravenlee Right on the nose! (Boop) 1mo

GingerAntics @ravenlee the (boop) is perfection! 1mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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Late for the readalong but figured I‘d finish it, and wish I‘d just chucked it. Repetitive but never particularly clear or convincing, Harris just seems to spitballing about something he kinda believes but can‘t convey. Not a great one, and if he were anybody else I don‘t think this would have gotten published at all.
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kspenmoll I would have bailed if not that we discussed it. Most times not sure how to respond! (edited) 2mo

GingerAntics 100% agree… I‘m sorry we picked it, honestly. 2mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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GingerAntics Is this an intro to another book? I feel like there was very little explanation. I almost feel more confused than when we started. 2mo

GingerAntics I seem to be disappointed in the Sam Harris books I read. Every single one is a like, but or an eh. 2mo

kspenmoll I would have bailed but for your discussion questions! 2mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I struggled for discussion questions. I am not going to lie. 2mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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Did anyone else feel like it ended abruptly? Maybe that‘s a separate question.
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kspenmoll There was a point where i was reading Hitler‘s People about Nazi movers & shakers & I thought they had free will & made choices, fully aware of what Hitler‘s & his minions‘ policies, despite denials post war.

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GingerAntics @kspenmoll he failed to define what he meant by free will, because that‘s a game changer. Did those people have choices, yes they did. Were they as open ended and free as one might hope? Probably not. Get on board or die isn‘t much of a choice, is it? It is, in fact, a choice though; and some people chose not to get on board. Sadly, they died so we have no idea if they later regretted that choice. 2mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll to say no one has any choices is obviously false. To say anyone can make any choice, that‘s also obviously false. Our choices are limited by socioeconomic status, gender, where we live, etc. So free will in the sense that anyone can make any choice at any time is false. He never said how he was using the term. He did make it out like a person who kills someone didn‘t make a choice (possibly from a selection of crappy choices anyway). 2mo

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Nazi Wives: The Women at the Top of Hitler's Germany, dome of the wives did survive & went to trial but few served much of a sentence- the West was too concerned with Communism. A few wrote about their allegiance to Hitler & still felt the same way towards him/his regime. (edited) 2mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll they didn‘t have the option to choose something different. In that day and age, your husband made the decision and did as you were told. To say they could have chosen to join a different party or something is giving women greater agency and control over their lives than they actually had. We‘re talking 1930s and 1940s. 2mo

GingerAntics @kspenmoll oh yeah, some/many were die hard nazis, 100%. We just have to take into account that these women weren‘t really the decision makers involved. They were supposed to shut up and breed more little nazis. 2mo

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Free Will | Sam Harris

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This ought to be an adventure. I cannot wait to reads these answers.
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TheBookHippie I will catch up 😅 3mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I think we are all feeling a little wonky and off at this point. We‘re lucky I‘ve kept up with this book since the election. 🤣😂🤣 2mo

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