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How the Irish Saved Civilization
How the Irish Saved Civilization | Thomas Cahill
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The perfect St. Patrick's Day gift, and a book in the best tradition of popular history -- the untold story of Ireland's role in maintaining Western culture while the Dark Ages settled on Europe. Every year millions of Americans celebrate St. Patrick's Day, but they may not be aware of how great an influence St. Patrick was on the subsequent history of civilization. Not only did he bring Christianity to Ireland, he instilled a sense of literacy and learning that would create the conditions that allowed Ireland to become "the isle of saints and scholars" -- and thus preserve Western culture while Europe was being overrun by barbarians. In this entertaining and compelling narrative, Thomas Cahill tells the story of how Europe evolved from the classical age of Rome to the medieval era. Without Ireland, the transition could not have taken place. Not only did Irish monks and scribes maintain the very record of Western civilization -- copying manuscripts of Greek and Latin writers, both pagan and Christian, while libraries and learning on the continent were forever lost -- they brought their uniquely Irish world-view to the task. As Cahill delightfully illustrates, so much of the liveliness we associate with medieval culture has its roots in Ireland. When the seeds of culture were replanted on the European continent, it was from Ireland that they were germinated. In the tradition of Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror, How The Irish Saved Civilization reconstructs an era that few know about but which is central to understanding our past and our cultural heritage. But it conveys its knowledge with a winking wit that aptly captures the sensibility of the unsung Irish who relaunched civilization. BONUS MATERIAL: This ebook edition includes an excerpt from Thomas Cahill's Heretics and Heroes.
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shortsarahrose
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Mehso-so

While there was some interesting aspects of Ireland in the Middle Ages discussed here, this book got too bogged down in Rome and its fall (like 40% into the book before we get to Ireland) and the author‘s concept of “civilization” is definitely Eurocentric (Irish scribes saved Roman literature, basically). But I learned a lot about St. Patrick and Irish monastic culture, which was interesting.🤔

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Yahui07
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This book surprised me because I didn‘t realize that it would go back to the time of St Patrick which I enjoyed very much. However it did start slow but I learned more about Ireland/ Irish.

kspenmoll Me too- learned so much when I read it. 2y
Yahui07 @kspenmoll Nice to meet like minded friend! 2y
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kspenmoll
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#coffeeandbooks
Early morning sustenance. Happy Easter and Hanukkah and Ramadan and Sunday!
Off to a family brunch later today.

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kspenmoll
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Quote by critic Thomas H. Jackson who asserted that Kinsella‘s published poetry in the 1980‘s is an intersection of both Kinsella‘s personal and world historical perspectives. I love when books send me to research other books, people, and places.
#deadphilosoperssociety

TheBookHippie Me too!!!! I love our reading group it‘s brought so much joy to my mind! 3y
GingerAntics I haven‘t read this week‘s section yet. 3y
kspenmoll @GingerAntics Me either. Plan to early morning before I leave for a family Easter brunch at my sister‘s. 3y
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kspenmoll @TheBookHippie So well said! 💛💙 3y
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics ME EITHER! it‘s my plan for tomorrow afternoon 😅🙃 3y
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie 😂🤣😂 it‘s happening right now. 3y
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kspenmoll
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Tain No Cuailnge, The Cattle Raid of Cooley, translated from ancient Irish, by Irish poet Thomas Kinsella,was handed down by the Irish,over the centuries, in the oral tradition of The Odyssey.
Thomas Kinsella was an Irish poet, translator, editor who died in December 2021. Now I must read about his life/poetry!
I am loving this book.💕

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kspenmoll
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The author, Thomas Cahill‘s opening note. I remember my brother reading this when it was published.

BarbaraJean I read this for a Celtic literature class in college, and I remember loving it. 3y
RosePressedPages I‘ve had this on my bookshelf for a while now and I need to read it! 3y
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kspenmoll
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What a wonderful #SpringEquinoxSwap box! Thank you so much Sarah for the books I have been wanting to read, the garden dibber for planting, & the beautiful crystals & stones. It certainly feels like you understood me. Spring is my favorite season, when the dark days of winter transform into warmer weather, sprouting plants, longer daylight. Thanks to @sprainedbrain @Chrissyreadit for sponsoring this spring celebration!

Chrissyreadit 💛💚😍💚💛 3y
shortsarahrose Yay! I‘m so glad you like everything 🤗 I had a lot of fun picking out what to put in your box. 3y
sprainedbrain Lovely gifts! ❤️ 3y
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JCPaulk
Pickpick

The first in Cahill's brilliant series is also my favorite. Not too dense but with enough information to rightfully argue that Irish monks saved much of our ancient writings by copying them in monasteries. Quite enjoyable.

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shanaqui
Mehso-so

"How the Irish helped to preserve the written literature of the Romans and Greeks" would be a less snappy title, but more accurate. Cahill's premise that Greco-Roman literature and philosophy constitute civilisation and without it we'd be lost is laughable; his paeans to the Irish character come across as condescending. The book isn't even about Ireland, mostly.

His portrait of St Patrick is tender and interesting, but... this book is so flawed.

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GingerAntics
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The entire book summed up in a paragraph.
#history #irish #thomascahill

RavenLovelyReads I love this! I was fortunate enough to lay eyes on The Book of Kells while in Ireland; this quote reminded me of that beautiful book. 6y
GingerAntics @RavenLovelyReads you are so lucky!!! I‘ve only seen photos, but there is an internet scan of it now. Hopefully one day I‘ll get to see it in person. What I‘ve seen is just amazing. I hear that when you see it, it‘s almost like it glows or something. It just feels special and supernatural. I even heard that from a friend of mine whose atheist. 6y
RavenLovelyReads @GingerAntics It brought me to tears- one of the most beautiful things I‘ve seen in my life! 6y
GingerAntics @RavenLovelyReads oh wow!!! Every time I talk to someone who has seen it, it gets more and more amazing!!! Seeing the Book of Kells is definitely on my bucket list. 6y
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GingerAntics
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GingerAntics
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Now this would be a fun little thought experiment. How would Christianity be different today, if they hadn‘t signed on to Augustine‘s hang ups, and instead signed on to the openness and loving nature of the Irish?
#irish #history #thomascahill #christianity #catholicism #augustine

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GingerAntics
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Mehso-so

2.5 ⭐️ This book isn‘t bad, and for the most part it paints the Irish not as barbarians but as heroes. I just wish he had done a better job of it. There are so many holes in this that it would be easy to just disregard the truth that lies in these pages. The biggest issue I have is that Cahill clearly doesn‘t know the word PANENTHEISM or how it differs from pantheism. (Cont‘d below)

GingerAntics There is a huge different between “everyone/thing is god” (pantheism) and “God is in everyone/thing” (panentheism). He seems to have no clue that Patrick wasn‘t the 1st (or even the 2nd) Christian to step foot in Ireland. He does talk about the Irish as barbarians more than is comforting for a book such as this. He even refers to Ireland itself as the unholy island. I‘m not entirely sure at times if he actually likes the Irish or not. (edited) 6y
GingerAntics In the end, he presents a story from history that is often over looked. The fact that this book got published and became so popular is great. However, as a piece of history, it‘s only so-so. I really wish it were better so as to do the topic justice. For all the time he spent on the actual topic of the Irish, this period is more clearly and concisely portrayed in the first section of (edited) 6y
GingerAntics This book had some great memorable quotes, but mostly in the section about Rome. It was nice to find someone who didn‘t put Augustine up on a pedestal the way most Christians seem to. The reality of the man is much more troubling (but that is a totally different topic all together). 6y
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GingerAntics
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GingerAntics
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In the end, I think this concept still lives within the soul of every Irish person, in one way or another.
#irish #history #mythology #loyalty #bravery #generosity #ideals #tenants #thomascahill

Mandigolightly This book has been on my TBR list forever! 6y
GingerAntics @Mandigolightly if you‘re into that happy land where history and mythology meet, you‘ll like this book. There are places he‘s not too worried about historical fact. There are other places he almost sounds anti-Irish. There is at least one place where he makes a claim that is just obscured. It‘s not completely history, but it‘s not completely mythology. 6y
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GingerAntics
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Oh to be a fly on the wall for this conversation!!! I can just imagine Augustine‘s face getting all red and smoke coming out of his ears. For the man who came up with original sin, and then made it an STD, this man‘s hang ups should be seen as such, not as Theology. This is my favourite part of this book, though (if I‘m being honest). #thomascahill #history #philosophy #theology #augustine #julianofeclanum #tantrum

GingerAntics @Branwen this is my favourite quote by him. I can always picture his face getting red and smoke coming out of his ears. This is the tantrum he threw because some people didn‘t have such a negative stilted view of sexuality as him. This was his reaction because someone saw sex as this thing God creates, so it must be good, as God said. Clearly, this man was not well. I have no idea why people still cling to this madness. 6y
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GingerAntics
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How Rome fell - and why... or Why Americans REALLY need to study history - and not just their own. (3/3) #history #historymatters #thomascahill

I have no time for people who give lip service to Christian morals, Liberty, freedom, equality, etc. with absolutely nothing of substance to back it up. Either you believe in these things, or you don‘t. If you don‘t, you shouldn‘t be trying to run this country.

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GingerAntics
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How Rome fell - and why... or Why Americans REALLY need to study history - and not just their own. (2/3) #history #historymatters #thomascahill

This sounds ever so familiar...I wonder why...?

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GingerAntics
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How Rome fell - and why... or Why Americans REALLY need to study history - and not just their own. (1/3) #history #historymatters #thomascahill

One day, this is what someone will write in a book about the Rise and Fall of America...along with every scholar wondering why Americans abhorred history so very much. When that day comes, historians will no longer be told to do something “real.” They will be appreciated. I hope I live to see that day.

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GingerAntics
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Historical Inquiry to a T. This is everything being an unbiased historian is all about.

In the course of studying history day in and day out (or just living these days), “we shall meet many entertainers, persons of substance who have their story to tell, some of whom may believe their story is all their is to tell. We shall be gracious and and give them a hearing without disparagement.”

#thomascahill #irishhistory #history

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Lkbbooks
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Pickpick

The first of Thomas Cahill‘s The Hinge of History series about critical points in western civilization. Not a true linear history, more a series of vignettes, about St. Patrick bringing Christianity to Ireland and how the monasteries copied and preserved books during the fall of the Roman Empire and then returned the knowledge to Europe afterwards. Some interesting thoughts on the randomness of history and the rise and fall of civilization.

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Nessavamusic
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1. Everything by Rick Steves
2. Ireland
3. Alaska or New Zealand
4. Drive, love road trips!
5. Ice Cream, though both are great
#manicmonday @JoScho
#glorytotheguild

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HannaPolkadots
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Pickpick

I am a history teacher, and a supernerdy one, so keep that in mind when reading my review 😉 An excellent read (listen). I learned so much about medieval Europe and especially Ireland obviously, and it was so accessible and non-boring. Will definitely be read again.

JamieArc Glad I saw this review! This book has been on my TBR for years now and I‘m making it a top priority for 2018. Your review helps me get over worried of a dry, boring read. 7y
RealBooks4ever I‘m checking my library now! 😻 7y
HannaPolkadots Glad to hear it @JamieArc ! Enjoy ! 7y
HannaPolkadots @RealBooks4ever - hope you find it, and glad it intrigued you. Enjoy! 7y
RealBooks4ever They have it, but there are 2 holds in front of me! 🤣 I‘ll get it eventually! 7y
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Jas16
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This is a slight cheat because I am heading there next month. #NFaboutacountryyoudliketovisit #uncannyoctober

JaclynW Have fun! I've been several times. Ireland feels like home to me! Which parts are you traveling to? Enjoy! 7y
Jas16 @JaclynW Belfast, Galway, and Dublin. I am really excited. 7y
JaclynW @Jas16 You must go see Kylemore Abbey and Cliffs of Moher while out in Galway! They are both breathtaking. Dublin has my ❤! I love that city! It's all so great! The Long Hall at Trinity College is beautiful! So many old books! Marsh's Library is a hidden treasure. I could go on and on! Enjoy your time! I can't wait to hear about your adventures. 😊 7y
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tracy.anne8
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I think this counts as #savetheworld. I haven't read it yet but I'm looking forward to doing so. It sounds interesting. #anditsaugust

booksandsympathy It's a fascinating book. I will say the beginning of the book talking about the fall of Rome got a bit repetitive and I skipped parts of that that weren't necessary to the narrative (mostly the Roman poetry). After that though, I enjoyed it. 7y
tracy.anne8 @booksandsympathy Good to know. Thanks for the heads up, especially on the poetry. Poetry isn't my thing 🤷 7y
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Jas16
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A stack of nonfiction for when I want to #think. #augustgrrl

Cinfhen Love #nonfiction 🤓❤️ 7y
Reagan Nice stack! I have had my eye on Cleopatra for a while. 7y
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CocoReads
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Not that I've done any reading since I got here but this place has a bookshelf! I brought my own reading anyway.

christineandbooks Something for everyone on that little shelf! 8y
CocoReads There really is! 8y
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bookishbitch
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Next year I am going on a cruise to the British Isles. As you can see I was there back as a young lass. (Excuse my ridiculous hair. Ah the choices of youth.) I decided to attempt to learn Gaelic. Mostly because I have always wanted to and this gives me an excuse. I just finished my first lesson and am feeling good. This also means I will get to visit the Trinity College Library in Dublin. Which might just be my mecca. So excited!

lauralovesbooks1 I'm leaving for my first trip to Ireland in 3 days. Trinity Library is at the top of my list to see! 8y
bookishbitch @lauralovesbooks1 Nice!! Enjoy!!! 8y
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Kangaj1
Pickpick

This is one of my absolute favorite nonfiction! I read it while we were visiting Ireland many years ago. #5555giveaway

Megabooks Oooo...interesting! 8y
Chelsey I loved this one too! 8y
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lauralovesbooks1
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Mehso-so

Cahill spent a little more time than I was interested in on setting up the context of the decline of Roman civilization. I thought the portions on Ireland, the work of the scribes. and Irish literature were fascinating though. I also loved the discussion of women as well -- while not viewed as equals overall, there were many women leaders and they were portrayed as strong and intelligent.

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clconn17
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Pickpick

I should have read this before I went to Ireland a few years ago! It was an interesting history that I knew nothing about. I don't always do well with non-fiction, and my eyes glazed over a few times....but still interesting! The blanket is from my Ireland trip!

Chelsey I read this one many years ago. I don't remember much other than I enjoyed it 😂 8y
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Kangaj1
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Pickpick

These are some of my Ireland books. I read Cahill while we were in Ireland almost 20 years ago. We named our kids after Irish church history: Aidan Patrick, Brendan, and Iona. Happy St. Patrick's Day!

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Seshat
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Top of the morning, folks. Grandfather Fallon always said, "give every man his 'dew.'"

dogra Tullamore! 8y
Seshat @dogra It is my favorite. 8y
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Texreader
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Some light reading at the lake house. It's so gorgeous here today!!!

Lynnsoprano I've read other stuff by Cahill. I need to look for this. (edited) 8y
BarbaraJean I read this for a Celtic Literature class in college and loved it! 8y
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Seshat
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GoneFishing

They understood, as few have understood before or since, how fleeting life is and how pointless to try to hold on to things or people. They pursued the wondrous deed, the heroic gesture: fighting, fucking, drinking, art - poetry for intense emotion, the music that accompanied the heroic drinking with which each day ended, bewitching ornament for one's person and possessions.

brendanmleonard Great quote! Thanks for sharing! 8y
Laura317 Heroic drinking. 😂 8y
earlecooks Was saying how much I enjoyed this to a friend & he said he did too but he didn't find the argument completely convincing. I told him he totally missed the point of good Irish storytelling. The point is enjoying the journey & don't let facts interfere with a good tale! 8y
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