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The Not-Quite States of America: Dispatches from the Territories and Other Far-Flung Outposts of the USA
The Not-Quite States of America: Dispatches from the Territories and Other Far-Flung Outposts of the USA | Doug Mack
An eye-opening journey to the most overlooked parts of America. Everyone knows that America is 50 states andsome other stuff. Scattered shards in the Pacific and the Caribbean, the not-quite statesAmerican Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands, and the U.S. Virgin Islandsand their 4 million people are often forgotten, even by most Americans. But theyre filled with American flags, U.S. post offices, and Little League baseball games. How did these territories come to be part of the United States? What are they like? And why arent they states? When Doug Mack realized just how little he knew about the territories, he set off on a globe-hopping quest covering more than 30,000 miles to see them all. In the U.S. Virgin Islands, Mack examines the Founding Fathers arguments over expansion. He explores Polynesias outsize influence on American culture, from tiki bars to tattoos, in American Samoa. He tours Guam with members of a military veterans motorcycle club, who offer personal stories about the territorys role in World War II and its present-day importance for the American military. In the Northern Mariana Islands, he learns about star-guided seafaring from one of the ancient traditions last practitioners. And everywhere he goes in Puerto Rico, he listens in on the lively debate over political statusindependence, statehood, or the status quo. The Not-Quite States of America is an entertaining account of the territories place in the USA, and it raises fascinating questions about the nature of empire. As Mack shows, the territories arent mere footnotes to American history; they are a crucial part of the story.
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Daisey
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Pickpick

I started this without high expectations because of mixed reviews, but I enjoyed this travelogue with bits of history and political discussion more than expected. It‘s one person‘s perspective based on his research and travel to the U.S. Virgin Islands, America Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, and Puerto Rico. Considering how little I knew of these places, it was a great introduction describing both fascinating and frustrating aspects.

Librarybelle Great review! So many mixed reviews on this one - glad you liked it! 1y
BarbaraBB It sounds very interesting 1y
Daisey @Librarybelle @BarbaraBB I can see the reasoning behind the not so great reviews, but I think going in aware of those helped. It did include lots of really interesting information as well. 1y
Daisey August #DoubleSpin book 6 1y
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Book 93 of the year. I loved finding out more about the US territories but this felt more like a travel book than actual informational book. Still a good read.

Daisey Thanks for tagging me. I‘ve seen some mixed reviews, but I think I‘ll still try to fit it in this year for #ReadingTheAmericas2023. 1y
Graciouswarriorprincess @Daisey I wish that it had more information about the territories but it was still a good book to read. Happy reading! 1y
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Afternoon reading on this gray, cloudy Saturday afternoon.

Daisey I‘ll be curious to hear what you think of this one. 1y
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Hooked_on_books
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Pickpick

The US is made up of more than just states, and beyond Puerto Rico, I think we tend to forget that (I do). I thought this was interesting and informative, looking at the populated US territories, their histories, cultures, and more. I particularly appreciated learning how US law works in each place.

#ReadingAmericas2023 #USVI

Itchyfeetreader Interesting pick 2y
Librarybelle Learning how the US law works in each place sounds very interesting! 2y
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Pickpick

I read this for a book club, and I wasn‘t sure what to expect due to mixed reviews here. I ended up enjoying it though I thought some parts were needlessly padded with background information. It seems that this one is better to read than listen from the reviews. #ReadingTheAmericas2023 #USVI

Librarybelle Glad you liked this one. I have seen the mixed reviews and am not sure if I should add it to my list or not. I think I do have an ebook copy, so I may read it at some point. 2y
Bookwormjillk @Librarybelle it is a fairly quick read 2y
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Not a fan. In the guise of “reporting,” the author went into this project with what seemed like a predetermined conclusion (the USA treats its territories terribly) and then pointed out every little thing to support his opinion. He may not be wrong but he turned me off when he belittled the #USVirginIsland‘s museum & then did the same for other territory museums. A reporter, in my humble opinion, should try to remain neutral and see where the ⬇️

Texreader facts lead. I felt he didn‘t even try to do so. The narrator didn‘t help—his voice was condescending much of the time. I learned a lot, but the way he disseminated the facts grated on me. I‘d love to learn more about the territories, but not from this author. At least he piqued my interest in them. Also works for #PuertoRico #USVI #readingtheAmericas (edited) 2y
Librarybelle Yikes! I may have to avoid this one 2y
Texreader @Librarybelle I don‘t think his conclusion was wrong. I just didn‘t like how he reached it. Belittling museums, even small ones, though, gets me where it hurts. They are trying and proud of what they‘ve accomplished so far. That incident just turned the tide of my opinion. For example he was appalled the USVI museum didn‘t have anything about pirates! 2y
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Librarybelle Oh my! Yes, I agree about museums. 2y
TieDyeDude I didn't listen to the audio, and I read this a while ago, but it sounds like the tone of the narrator might have exasperated any shortcomings in the writing? I also remember going into it expecting to read about how America neglects its territories more than an unbiased exploration. It made me want to visit these places, though! 2y
Texreader @TieDyeDude I kept wondering as I was reading it exactly your point: was it the narration that was the crux of the problem and whether reading it would have gone better? I think the narration was definitely a big factor affecting my reaction. I also think you went into the book with eyes wide open. I really appreciate your thoughts on this one. 2y
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I have finally chosen my next audiobook, tagged, for #readingtheAmericas for the #USVirginIslands @BarbaraBB @Librarybelle

Hooked_on_books I have this in print. I plan to read it for this challenge as well. 2y
BarbaraBB Seems like a very good choice! 2y
squirrelbrain Ooh thanks for posting this - I can get it on Scribd audio. 2y
Librarybelle Oh! Definitely a good choice for this challenge! 2y
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Suet624 I am always fascinated by the books you read. They are all full of juicy tidbits. 3y
keithmalek @Suet624 Thank you! 😁 3y
Bklover Me too @Suet624 ! His posts are always interesting! (edited) 3y
keithmalek Thank you @Bklover 😁🤓 3y
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Bklover That sounds ridiculously unfair! 3y
keithmalek @Bklover Maybe so, but the author goes on to write about how most American Samoans are against citizenship anyway because they fear (with good reason) that their culture would largely be eradicated by statehood. 3y
Bklover Good point. 3y
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USVI stands for United States Virgin Islands.

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Soubhiville Sounds good! I hope my library has this on audio… 3y
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“The story of the United States is the story of a nation that really, truly believes itself to be exceptional but also can‘t make up its mind what, exactly, that means. More powerful or more just? Ever more culturally diverse, the definition of “American” constantly expanding, or increasingly assimilated around a specific set of static cultural norms? How do you strike the right balance? And who gets to make the judgment?”

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Late night reads

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I liked this book because it was very informative on the history of the territories (US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands and Puerto Rico). However, it is really depressing how little the USA seems to care about its territories. Makes me angry.

Bourriquet76 My husband is from Guam. 7y
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The first chapter exactly expressed my thoughts - I have always been interested in history and geography, yet somehow I have never learned ANYTHING about the territories. I'm so glad to have found this book and remedied that! A good mix of history and humorous travel-writing. Very well-researched, including explanations of the confusing territory legal status by experts. Spoiler alert - the US treatment of their territories is rather depressing.

WanderingBookaneer I confess that even those living in territories—I am Puerto Rican—don't necessarily know the others have had it as bad or worse! 8y
mabell @WanderingBookaneer The locales are very different, but the storylines are sadly similar. (PR is the only territory I have visited. It's lovely! ♥️) 8y
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Mehso-so

Probably should have bailed, but I powered through. I didn't realize it would be history mixed in with travel writing; while I didn't dislike either aspect, I did not enjoy the mixing of the two. There seemed to be a lot of ambivalence, if not straight out disinterest, in the answers he was pursuing, which meant he spent a lot of time with his own musings. Still interesting to learn a little something about these disregarded lands.

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Good, not great! I listened to this one and every time that I was thinking of stopping, I'd hear this really interesting tidbit about Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. I liked the Puerto Rican section the most (it was the most political). It also reminded me of A.J. Jacobs's style- which was enjoyable! I just wanted a more history rather than travel brochure. However, it is ridiculous that the territories don't have full access to the Constitutional Rights!

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NeeSwee Excellent stack! BIG MUSHY HAPPY LUMP was so much fun. 8y
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WanderingBookaneer
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As a US citizen born in a territory I have always been amazed at how we are neglected we are by the federal government when creating more enforcing certain policies. I've always felt like a second-class citizen. My country was granted citizenship so that my countrymen could go to war for the States and a huge part of our economic crisis comes from the tariff from the American ships with American crews, the only ones allowed to bring us goods. 👇🏻

WanderingBookaneer However, this book opened my eyes that this 21sr century colonial living is not an experience that is unique to my island alone. The other territories in the US have faced pretty much the same neglect and abuse as we have over the past century. I recommend this book too people who want to learn more about the diverse cultures contained in, and ignored by, the United States...and its citizens. 8y
saresmoore I am really intrigued by this subject. Perhaps it might even shed some light on how U.S. foreign policy has taken such an incredible backslide over these last several days? Especially considering that territories don't have voting rights! It's awful, but important, I guess is what I'm trying to say. 8y
gossamerchild Thanks for the recommendation! I definitely need to read more books on this topic. 8y
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Laalaleighh @saresmoore I think foreign policy backslid bc the entire senior staff of the state department was purged. 8y
saresmoore @Laalaleighh No kidding! But I mean, there are citizens who voted and agree with what's happening. A book like this just goes to show that this mindset wasn't conjured from thin air. 8y
Laalaleighh @saresmoore great point. 8y
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EloisaJames I had no idea. Argh 8y
Hollie My students in college history classes are always surprised when I talk about this. I hope it makes them think twice about current events. 8y
minkyb There is so much I don't know. 8y
Robothugs Wow. I had no idea. 8y
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Next up on the book: Puerto Rico! Can't wait to read what the author thinks of my colony.

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I knew about the Japanese internment camps stateside, but I did not know civilians in the Mariana islands to live in camps as well.

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kspenmoll Thx for posting these; some of the territories were unknown to me. 8y
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RivendellMom

I'm not too proud to admit that I never really understood our territories and what the deal is with them. Review to follow.

Megabooks This sounds good! 8y
RivendellMom It's really good. I'm almost done 8y
WanderingBookaneer As a resident of one of the territories, I am ashamed I didn't know much about the others. I just reached the part of the book where they talk about Saipan how similar our lives and struggles are. I've been posting a lot about it these past two days. 8y
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