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lil1inblue The only thing I suspect is that the 3 missing men in the Lamentation case have something to do with the murder of the printer. But I don't have a why or a how. 😂 I'm utterly flummoxed. 1mo

AnneCecilie Hopefully everything will be wrapped up nicely 1mo

dabbe @lil1inblue Flummoxed is the word of the day! Exactly how I feel, and I've read it before! 🤣 1mo

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dabbe @AnneCecilie 🤞🏻 1mo

LiseWorks I have no idea. It's going to be a surprise that I won't see coming 1mo

dabbe @LiseWorks 🎯🩵🎯 1mo

Deblovestoread Looking forward to seeing if I‘m on the right path in any of my thinking. 1mo

dabbe @Deblovestoread Such the fun with mysteries, right? 🤩 1mo

Bookish_Thoughts Nuts. Missed this discussion, again. When is the next one? 1mo

dabbe @Cheryl_Russell You can still join in! Just comment and list all of our Litsy handles of those who participated above; that way we'll all be sure to see it and can comment back. The end of the book discussion will be on June 30th. 💚💜💚 1mo

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Lamentation | C.J. Sansom

#ShardlakeBR

#lamentation
Chapters 1-26

Thoughts, Shardlakians?

Daisey, Cuilin, Amiable, PurpleyPumpkin, Texreader, AnneCecilie, Gissy, Centique, OutsmartYourShelf, jenniferw88, Deblovestoread, Librarybelle, batsy, Chrissyreadit, kwmg40, Mollyanna, curiouserandcurioser, dabbe, Fr3NcHtOaSt, RaeLovesToRead, bthegood, lil1inblue, PageShifter, LiseWorks, The_Book_Ninja, Karisimo, BookWrym

OutsmartYourShelf I once thought being a Tudor queen like Elizabeth would be ok, until I learned that even monarchs had very little privacy. I need my alone time! I read a book this month about the history of privacy & how life was so much more communal in Medieval England. Even in Tudor times, anyone wanting privacy was thought of as having something to hide rather than just enjoying their own company. (edited) 1mo

lil1inblue And Henry had pursued her so relentlessly to begin with! Now she walks on eggshells for fear of losing his favor. H VIII really embodies everything I despise about the patriarchy. 1mo

AnneCecilie I feel sorry for the Queen. Even as a Queen she doesn‘t have much power, and never knowing what is going to happen to you. After all your husband have had several of his previous wives killed. And also the King is way older than her 1mo

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dabbe @OutsmartYourShelf @lil1inblue @AnneCecilie I just can't imagine how she was able to get up everyday and live her life. To live in such turmoil for your life every ... single ... day. And she had to grovel before the king in the presence of Gardiner and Wriothesely--beyond horrific. Henry was beyond heinous. How dumb are we humans throughout history to give one man such power. Ugh! 😩 1mo

LiseWorks I can't believe how family with money manipulated everyone, including the king. We all blame Henry for what was done, but there were whispering in his ear at all times. You have to have an heir. You have to get rid of your wife. You must go to war. There is no money, so start taxing. On and on. Destroy the monastery. Kill so and so because he is declaring normal people can't read the Bible. 1mo

dabbe @LiseWorks All excellent points. Ultimately, though, the buck stopped with him. And he'd listen to you one day and have your head cut off the next--talking to you, Cromwell. 1mo

Deblovestoread I saw Six The Musical last month and I keep reminding myself she survives. lol 1mo

dabbe @Deblovestoread At least by Harry's horrendous hand! 🤣 1mo

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dabbe

Lamentation | C.J. Sansom

#ShardlakeBR

#lamentation
Chapters 1-26

Thoughts, Shardlakians?

Daisey, Cuilin, Amiable, PurpleyPumpkin, Texreader, AnneCecilie, Gissy, Centique, OutsmartYourShelf, jenniferw88, Deblovestoread, Librarybelle, batsy, Chrissyreadit, kwmg40, Mollyanna, curiouserandcurioser, dabbe, Fr3NcHtOaSt, RaeLovesToRead, bthegood, lil1inblue, PageShifter, LiseWorks, The_Book_Ninja, Karisimo, BookWrym

OutsmartYourShelf I would say those who constantly shift from one to another are worse as you would never know where you are with them. You couldn't trust them as they would throw you under the bus (horse & cart?) to save themselves & for political expediency. 1mo

lil1inblue I find them equally bad, but in different ways. I agree with @OutsmartYourShelf about those who shift with the wind. But those who are so unshakable in their faith that they can't open their minds to other ideas or views can be equally harmful. They deal in absolutes. 1mo

AnneCecilie I agree with @OutsmartYourShelf, you would never know if you can trust them, and in these changing times you need to be able to trust someone 1mo

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dabbe @OutsmartYourShelf @lil1inblue @AnneCecilie
I'm glad you gave pros for each side because I see both sides as well. There are pros and cons to both types of people, and I find it difficult to choose which is worse. It seems that Shardlake does, too. Boy, I would never be good on a debate team! 🤣 1mo

LiseWorks There is a verse in Revelations that talks about people who are neither hot nor cold. Christ doesn't like it. And the Protestants today still believe in the antichrist. I think I would have lived as far away from the castle as possible, lol. 1mo

dabbe @LiseWorks I'm intrigued. What do you mean by Christ not liking “it“? He doesn't want people to be lukewarm?

And yeah, I'd live as far away from the castle as I could. I also would have avoided the London Bridge with all the poled heads, too. #oy 1mo

LiseWorks @dabbe Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, nether cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 1mo

dabbe @LiseWorks Holy guacamole, Batman! 😱 1mo

Deblovestoread @lil1inblue nailed it. You can‘t trust the shifters because they really believe in nothing and those with unshakable faith often refuse to respect anyone who is different…much like today. 1mo

dabbe @Deblovestoread #truth 1mo

lil1inblue @Deblovestoread “much like today“... 🎯 🎯 🎯 1mo

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dabbe

Lamentation | C.J. Sansom

#ShardlakeBR

#lamentation
Chapters 1-26

Thoughts, Shardlakians?

Daisey, Cuilin, Amiable, PurpleyPumpkin, Texreader, AnneCecilie, Gissy, Centique, OutsmartYourShelf, jenniferw88, Deblovestoread, Librarybelle, batsy, Chrissyreadit, kwmg40, Mollyanna, curiouserandcurioser, dabbe, Fr3NcHtOaSt, RaeLovesToRead, bthegood, lil1inblue, PageShifter, LiseWorks, The_Book_Ninja, Karisimo, BookWrym

lil1inblue I thought I had a prediction about the Lamentation case, but everything got turned upside down after we learned of Anne Askew's papers. 🤣 And there's so many missing people! I really have no idea about those cases now. 1mo

lil1inblue The will dispute is so intriguing in a salacious way - I'm curious about the family history. And why is Isabel spying so much? I suspect there is more to this plotline than just the will dispute, but I'm not sure where it's going yet. 1mo

AnneCecilie I hope the siblings end up with nothing. There‘s probably more to the case, but any person that can kick an animal to death is just evil. Everything I thought I knew about Lamentation changed in a heartbeat when the Anne Askew‘s papers showed up. 1mo

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dabbe @lil1inblue @AnneCecilie I thought the same thing! When I found about Askew's missing papers, I was like what the hell? 😳 I do love how Sansom always has at least two separate cases that Shardlake is working on. Usually they end of entwined together in some way, but I wonder how the siblings' case can connect with the queen's. And that poor dog!!! Two dogs horrifically killed in these books. I still grieve over the spaniel in HEARTSTONE. 1mo

LiseWorks The brother and sister case really intrigued me. Why do they hate each other? And the dog. I wanted Shardlake to take him home. 😔 My goodness, why do you write books if you know it can put you in danger? What was the queen thinking? 1mo

dabbe @LiseWorks That's the magic question. I'd love to be able to ask her that! And the dog ... 😪 I'd like to kick Isabel hard enough to break a rib or two! 1mo

Deblovestoread I think the piece of Lamentation was a plant to throw everyone off the scent of who really has it. I like this part of the mystery. I am curious about the sibling mystery and why the sister seems so crazy and why the will was written the way it was. (edited) 1mo

dabbe @Deblovestoread She is a piece of work. Wish I could remember the secrets, but that's the fun in reading it again! 1mo

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Lamentation | C.J. Sansom

#ShardlakeBR
#lamentation
Chapters 1-26

Thoughts, Shardlakians?

Daisey, Cuilin, Amiable, PurpleyPumpkin, Texreader, AnneCecilie, Gissy, Centique, OutsmartYourShelf, jenniferw88, Deblovestoread, Librarybelle, batsy, Chrissyreadit, kwmg40, Mollyanna, curiouserandcurioser, dabbe, Fr3NcHtOaSt, RaeLovesToRead, bthegood, lil1inblue, PageShifter, LiseWorks, The_Book_Ninja, Karisimo, BookWrym

OutsmartYourShelf I feel sad for poor Timothy. Can understand Shardlake wanting him to learn a trade but why can he not stay there & eventually become the house steward? At least Shardlake would be able to trust him.

Gurone Bertano was indeed a real person - a papal diplomat, although he seems to be more involved in the reign of Elizabeth. Wants England to return to Rome but what makes him the 'Antichrist' to reformers? A lot of others wanted to do the same. 1mo

lil1inblue After the last book, I didn't think I could loathe Richard Rich's character more. I was wrong. What a vile man he is! 1mo

lil1inblue I was intrigued by Jane Fool, and I'm curious if we'll see her again in the second half. 1mo

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AnneCecilie I hope the Slanning siblings end up with nothing of their inheritance. Such evilness. Most of these people are trying to survive and the closer to the top, the harder it is and then you get people like Richie Rich (edited) 1mo

dabbe @OutsmartYourShelf Excellent point about Timothy. I want him to stay with Shardlake, too!

I wonder about Bertano, too. How could he have struck such fear in Elias? And the 'Antichrist' is rather a strong label to pin on him. I'm hoping we'll find out why in the 2nd half. And I can't believe I've read this before and can't remember! 🤣 1mo

dabbe @lil1inblue He truly is beyond despicable, isn't he? There isn't much positivity regarding him in the record books either! 1mo

dabbe @AnneCecilie Another part I can't believe I don't remember. They both have secrets about each other that will come out later; I just can't remember what they are! 🤣 1mo

dabbe @lil1inblue I think she is a lot wiser than she lets on. She seems cunning and sly to me behind her “fool“ishness. 1mo

LiseWorks I love Elizabeth. She is so smart here. Mary, well, the religious part is why she became truly evil when she became Queen. And what is it with the Fool? I think she knows a lot more than she lets on. 1mo

dabbe @LiseWorks I adore Elizabeth, too! At least how she's portrayed in these books. Mary--not at all. Jane? Something cunning about her. 1mo

Deblovestoread I do not trust Martin, think he is RR‘s spy. I think Matthew‘s instincts about Jane Fool not being simple are spot on. I, too, think Timothy should be allowed to stay. And totally agree about the siblings fighting over the house neither deserve it but I do want to know the back story. Also I don‘t like that Matthew having a crush on the queen is a thing. Wish he could find a good someone to share his life with. (edited) 1mo

dabbe @Deblovestoread Poor Matthew. I want him to find some happiness, too! 1mo

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Lamentation | C.J. Sansom

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Summer of 1546 and King Henry VIII is dying. The Queen's manuscript is missing and the King has not seen it yet and would consider it to be heresy. Matthew Shardlake is hired to help her find it. This is my favorite historical mystery series and should not be missed. Excellent plots and unique characters makes for a series that is truly a literary masterpiece.

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Daisey I love this series too! 6y

Andrew65 Great review. 6y

EadieB @Andrew65 Thanks! 6y

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