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Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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Pickpick

Something I sorely needed to read. It kind of lays out that yes, these people committed awful acts and yes, you can be hurt/upset/infuriated by that (I listened to the audio and went for long walks, which helped). A lot of reviews are salty and expect more from the text, but I think it's good that she sort of steps away from giving a definitive 'this is how to go about it' and instead talks of her own and others thoughts about the whole dilemma.

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GingerAntics
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Panpan

This is a far too long, angry diatribe that is very disjoined and poorly organised. Some chapters are all over the place while others have a followable organisation. It is unclear what this author actually believes or is even raging against. It is frustrating to read. I wanted to take her seriously, but after the first few chapters, that was rendered impossible by the book itself, by her own words.
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GingerAntics Apparently even reading her book is a white supremacist act (words that appear in the book, supposedly said by someone else, but she never refutes them). From her own words, she was fired from the New York Times for speaking out publicly within the company about her bosses, and she‘s claiming this was political... maybe. Or she quit because she saw the writing on the wall about her firing? 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 3w
GingerAntics Again, it‘s unclear. It is all so very unclear. If this is her standard writing style, I have a hunch about a contributing factor in her dismissal from the NYT. @TheBookHippie is 100% accurate in saying this book is unproductive. #NellieBowles #MorningAfterTheRevolution #WhatRevolution #WhatDidIJustRead #JustDont #audiobook #readbytheauthor #unproductive #exhausting (edited) 3w
kspenmoll This book sounds totally weird. Mixed up thinking?! Cloudy brain?! 3w
GingerAntics @kspenmoll honestly, she‘s angry. I‘m not sure there is much else to it. She lost or gave up her dream job, and she‘s pissed. 3w
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GingerAntics
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It is unclear if Bowles is for or against these thoughts? She is not being very clear.
#NellieBowles #MorningAfterTheRevolution #Racism #WhiteSupremacy #literacy #reading #intellectual #urgency #inpatients #perfectionism

GingerAntics Being expected to show up to work on time is white supremacist? I need some clarification immediately. 3w
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie Stimming gets you fired all the time... mostly white autistic people... but it‘s racist to be against stimming? THIS DOESN‘T MAKE ANY SENSE!!! What is she saying? What is she talking about? 3w
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie now there are baby names that are white supremacist? I‘m either going to need her to get to the point, or I‘m going to have to choose between day drinking and DNFing this one. What is happening? BLM is fading? She is just all over the place. 3w
TheBookHippie @GingerAntics she‘s just mad I think. People aren‘t perfect, activist aren‘t perfect. A bunch of imperfect people must ban together, look in the mirror maybe instead of writing a book attacking everyone 🤷🏻‍♀️ (edited) 3w
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie yeah, this is very much angry rant. There isn‘t an argument to be seen anywhere. 3w
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GingerAntics
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They did?
This is starting to sound less “progressive” and more conservative. 🤨
#NellieBowles #MorningAfterTheRevolution #BLM #antifa

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GingerAntics
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We are? So not wanting to live in a fascist state means being an anarchist “lots” of the time? 🤨 And being over racism is also anarchist? 🤨
#NellowBowles #MorningAfterTheRevolution #antifascist #anarchist #BLM

kspenmoll What?! What does she base her pronouncements on? Research? Her own ideas?! 3w
GingerAntics @kspenmoll her opinion 3w
marleed You are a trooper sticking with this one! 3w
GingerAntics @marleed I listened to a good portion of it on 3x speed… and I skimmed (as much as you can with an audiobook) the last handful of chapters. 3w
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GingerAntics
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I have a sneaking suspicion that I‘m going to be regretting this one fairly quickly, but for some reason, I‘m charging ahead. Here. Goes. Nothing.
#NellieBowles #MorningAfterTheRevolution #audiobook

TheBookHippie Bailed … it‘s not productive .. IMO 3w
GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oooooooh, I am feeling that. Is this just “I got fired from NYT because I conflated BLM and antifa like conservatives and refused to let that go, so here are all these other way more extreme white people to attack instead?” I need some clarity. Being a reader and an intellectual is racist, but only reading one book about antiracism doesn‘t make you a real antiracist, you need to spend YEARS studying this. 🤨🤨🤨 3w
kspenmoll Is she nuts?! 3w
GingerAntics @kspenmoll 🤷🏼‍♀️ 3w
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quietlycuriouskate
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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Pickpick

It's no spoiler to reveal that there's no handy graph with great art on the X axis and monstrosity on the Y axis. What it does have is an ample selection of ethical chew-toys. She discusses themes such as: who gets to be considered a genius? How do we ascribe monstrosity differently to male and female artists? Who the hell is included in "we" anyway? To what extent does "our" individual, subjective judgement have any meaning? I liked it a lot.

GingerAntics This sounds like an intriguing mental exercise. 2mo
Caroline2 Oh I have this on my kindle. Sounds like I need to move it up the pile. 👍 2mo
quietlycuriouskate @GingerAntics @Caroline2 It's good! Be warned, though: I was expecting the onslaught of male, predominantly sexual, violence. However I was struck by the references to Trump's previous presidency, in that we had little idea how that would prove to be just the warm-up act for his current monstrous behaviour. 2mo
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GingerAntics @quietlycuriouskate how innocent we were, just 4 years ago. 2mo
sarahbarnes Oof. Great review. 1mo
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Jas16
Monsters: A Fan's Dilemma | Claire Dederer
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Mehso-so

I put this on hold after looking at all the Gaiman on my shelves and thinking “here we go again.”There is much to discuss regarding the art vs the artist but this was not what I was looking for. I found the equivalencies of monsters troubling. Women wanting space from childcare to work given the same consideration as Polanski? To me, it had less real reflection on the potential responsibilities of consumers and more tangents and biographies.

TrishB My thoughts exactly! I wanted a serious consideration but this came across as the authors attempt to rationalise her admiration of Polanski. 2mo
Jas16 @TrishB So glad you agree and I went back and read your review which had me nodding in agreement as well. 2mo
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Night_Reader
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His current reads: all non-fiction.

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keithmalek
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My 10 favorite books of 2024. Number 10.

#2024Top10