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One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest: 50th Anniversary Edition | Ken Kesey

Seven books with numbers in the titles
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One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Two Can Keep a Secret
Three Men in a Boat
Four Past Midnight
The Five
Now We Are Six
The Seven Deaths of Evelyn Hardcastle

#bookworm #kenkesey #oneflewoverthecuckoosnest #karenmmcmanus #twocankeepasecret #jeromekjerome #threemeninaboat #stephenking #fourpastmidnight #hallierubenhold #thefive #aamilne #nowwearesix #stuartturton #thesevendeathsofevelynhardcastle

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Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

3-22-20: My 24th finished book of 2020! #thefive #jacktheripper #hallierubenhold 🌟🌟🌟👍🏼📖#️⃣2️⃣4️⃣

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GingerAntics

The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

I don‘t dislike this book despite having a few tiny issues with it. It‘s just that I‘ve been on the title page for the second victim for more than a month now. I‘m not sure what it is, but I am officially moving this book to the back burner. I‘m sure I‘ll return to it at some point, but that time is just not anytime in the near-ish future.
#HallieRubenhold #TheFive #JacktheRipper #History #London

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GingerAntics

The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

Because clearly, what else would a down and out woman do with her body. Her job is to take care of the men in her life and have sex with the one she‘s married to, no matter how many other women he‘s snagging. 🙄
#HallieRubenhold #TheFive #JacktheRipper #History #London

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GingerAntics

The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

Funny, Michelle Dugger once said something very similar once. “Anyone can make him [Jim Bob] a sandwich. Any of the girls could do that for him. At the end of the day, only I can take care of his personal needs.” Basically she‘s openly saying she‘s only good for sex. 🙄 No wonder they‘ve got 19 kids.
#HallieRubenhold #TheFive #JacktheRipper #History #London

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GingerAntics

The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

On a more academic note, for a work that is meant to give humanity to women, to show that Victorian females were people too, why give exact dates for all of Polly‘s sons and then breeze past her daughter with just a month reference? Is she giving humanity to females or not?
#unpopularopinion #HallieRubenhold #TheFive #JacktheRipper #History #London

GondorGirl Maybe there isn't a known date? That happened a lot in the 1800s, especially with girl babies. That doesn't make it any less irritating, but it might give reason. 6y

GingerAntics @GondorGirl I certainly thought of that. There easily could have been other records that would have given clues, though. If we‘re going by the lack of records because she was a girl, how do we know for sure it was December or even that year? It would all be guesses. If the information isn‘t available, then at least say that since the whole aim, supposedly, is to humanise females. 6y

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GingerAntics

The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

Okay are we writing a history or a romance? This annoys me to no end. This would not happen in a history written by a man and it‘s not accepted in a work taken as a serious history. Again, as a female historian, I‘m seeing damage to my own future in this use of casual, cutesy language.
#unpopularopinion #HallieRubenhold #TheFive #JacktheRipper #History #London

tournevis But, it's not an anachronism. 6y

GingerAntics @tournevis no because that would imply that it was antiquated, old fashioned. It‘s something one would expect to find on Facebook, not in a proper historical monograph. This is the second time she‘s chosen to use a word that doesn‘t seem to fit with the tone of the rest of her work. 6y

GingerAntics @tournevis I‘m not sure if she‘s trying to be cute or reach an audience beyond historians or what, but it‘s annoying, at least mildly obnoxious, and this is exactly what men point to when they say that women have no place in the history field. Like I said, it‘s stuff like this that hurts the rest of us (female historians). 6y

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tournevis @GingerAntics We'll have to disagree on this, I think, one woman historian to another (well, historical anthropolist, me). It's not that simple. The field of academic history needs to, among other things, be pushed off its high horse of (male-centered) standards that separate academic writing from just as good and precise but accessible writing. I have "eminent colleagues" who pride themselves on being inaccessible. They are in the wrong. Not us. 6y

tournevis @GingerAntics I know how frustrating it is to be talked down to by "eminent colleagues" who have never been called back on their idiotic male academic pride, but they must learn. Using 'beau' in a non-anachronictic way is not the problem. They are. 6y

GingerAntics @tournevis I actually agree with you on every other point. My issue with this word is that I feels thrown in to make it “accessible” but it doesn‘t actually match with the rest of the word choices. It feels forced. I‘m all about accessible and people (generally men) who feel the need to be as inaccessible as possible need to evolve or go. 6y

GingerAntics @turnevis Accessibility isn‘t throwing a word in every now and then just to do it, just because you can, when it doesn‘t fit with the tone of the rest of your writing. It just pulls the reader out of the writing and draws attention to that one word. THAT is my issue with this word. This book is accessible without this word. It detracts from her writing instead of adding anything. 6y

tournevis @GingerAntics I guess then I'm back to being confused about the use of a chronologically appropriate word in the book. It is chronologically appropriate. 6y

GingerAntics @tournevis I never said it wasn‘t chronologically appropriate. I said it doesn‘t fit with the rest of the tone of her writing. 6y

tournevis @GingerAntics I'll trust you on this. 6y

GingerAntics @Twainy this is one of my original posts on the word choice. It‘s hard to tell from the comments, there was a conversation, but the other person‘s comments have since disappeared, making understanding the exchange confusing. 4y

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GingerAntics

The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

This is so obvious, it seems a wonder the police never thought of that, but sexism and classism/elitism clearly coloured their opinions of the situation.
#HallieRubenhold #TheFive #JacktheRipper #History #London

GingerAntics @Weaponxgirl I looked at the photos of the victims (mostly at the mortuary, but some others at the scene) and all but Mary Jane (who was so mutilated you couldn‘t tell), every woman looks like she could be asleep, because she was clearly attached while she was asleep. The same thing is true for all the Whitechapel Murders. 6y

GingerAntics @Weaponxgirl Even Catherine Eddowes whose loser face was mutilated. If you look at the upper half of her face (if you covered the mutilated part) she looks like she‘s sleeping. These women were obviously killed in their sleep. Even the fact that Elizabeth Stride still had her breath mints in her hand, she fell asleep with them in her hand. How is this so confusing to all the men who investigated these killings? They all look peacefully asleep. (edited) 6y

GingerAntics @Weaponxgirl what prostitute does business with her mints in her hand? Hell, what woman has sex with breath mints in her hand? Let‘s be real. 🙄 Sometimes it is truly amazing that men have survived all these millennia with how dumb they can truly be. 6y

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GingerAntics

The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

This is actually not proof that they were not prostitutes. This is only proof that he didn‘t have sex with them. People don‘t have sex with prostitutes, and prostitutes don‘t have sex with every single person they meet, every day. Sorry.
#HallieRubenhold #TheFive #JacktheRipper #History #London

GingerAntics @DGRachel here is the full quote from when I originally posted it. These are her words, not mine. 5y

DGRachel She should have worded her argument better. After having read the entire book, I don't believe that the fact the women didn't have sex with their killer was the only reason Rubenhold believes they weren't all prostitutes. Maybe I'm projecting my own thought process onto the book, but I came away with a different message - that police & media at the time assumed they were because they were poor, but there's no definitive proof that they all were. 5y

GingerAntics @DGRachel if that is buried somewhere in the rest of the book, I may not find it. I would certainly hope she would expand on that better. She just didn‘t in the parts I managed to get through. I agree that not all of the victims were prostitutes and prejudice at the time are to blame. 5y

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GingerAntics

The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper | Hallie Rubenhold

Just in case my last post didn‘t make clear that I‘ve started this book, I have. It‘s actually quite good so far, despite that one hiccup.
#HallieRubenhold #TheFive #JacktheRipper

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