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The Adventure of the Gloria Scott: Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

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Librarybelle This one was very limited action from Holmes…it‘s like he was a secondary character in this telling. Because, it really is just him telling Watson of this episode in a friend‘s life for which he just happened to solve the cipher that led to a reveal. I mentioned this last week, but I think you can tell Conan Doyle is getting a little tired of Holmes. The method this time: Holmes telling a story of which he is tangentially involved. 8mo

Cuilin @Librarybelle the only action we get from Holmes is his party trick!! I know this about you because …. Oh and now we know he based his whole career on it. 😆 (edited) 8mo

Librarybelle @Cuilin 😂 Yes we do! 8mo

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IndoorDame Maybe that‘s why he‘s been reluctant to tell Watson how he got his start. My question is what made him change his mind now. 8mo

Cuilin @IndoorDame right or why is Doyle telling us this about Sherlock? Is he ready to fling him over the falls? 8mo

dabbe @Cuilin It's only a few stories away. I definitely had the feel that Doyle was tired of SH and ready to move on ... to the fairies perhaps? 🤩 8mo

Cuilin @dabbe OMG the fairies 🧚 🧚🧚 I forgot all about that. 8mo

CogsOfEncouragement Enjoyable short story. Not what we might think of for a SH tale, but I still like it. 8mo

kelli7990 I enjoyed this story. 8mo

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The Adventure of the Gloria Scott: Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
#TheGloriaScott #TGS

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Librarybelle I‘m surprised he took the advice of someone! 8mo

Cuilin Yes, it fell a little flat for me. While the story of the mutiny and escaping transportation was exciting it really didn‘t have anything to do with Holmes detective skills. 8mo

IndoorDame It wasn‘t very flashy or impressive. But it seemed natural to me that even someone like Sherlock would be more receptive to praise from a rich powerful older man back when he was college aged and even more socially isolated. 8mo

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dabbe @IndoorDame And isolated and introverted he was/is! (edited) 8mo

dabbe @Cuilin Me, too. But maybe that's why Holmes likes to start out analyzing his clients--it's what led to his profession. 8mo

dabbe @Librarybelle Maybe because then he was still young and (perhaps) readily influenced? 8mo

Librarybelle @dabbe Maybe??? That sounds logical! 8mo

CogsOfEncouragement When he says he's going to tell Watson how, I did expect that he had ended up in the middle of some mystery. But that is maybe because that is the set up for most ameteur sleuth stories. LOL This explanation actually made a lot of sense to me. Adults notice strengths of young people and make these sorts of comments all the time. It tracked for me. 8mo

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The Adventure of the Gloria Scott: Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
#TheGloriaScott #TGS

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Librarybelle At one point I counted the quotations within the quotations…whew! Honestly, at one point I kind of forgot I was reading a Holmes story. He‘s barely involved. It‘s a twisted story, in that someone from the past is seeking revenge, monetary gains, and/or acknowledgement that he is still alive and can tell the secret. 8mo

Cuilin Oh this was so convoluted. The story within the story within the story. Oh my! 8mo

IndoorDame The writing style was a lot of work. I‘m not sure it completely doesn‘t work for me, but I think of SH as a read-for-fun kind of thing, so it didn‘t work for me in this piece. 8mo

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dabbe I found it rather difficult to follow at times, too. I had to keep going back, trying to remember, “Oh, right ... it's Holmes talking to Watson using Trevor's voice talking to his son ...“ 🤪 8mo

CogsOfEncouragement Yes, I was laughing at the quotation marks too. Anyone read Frankenstein? LOL. Anyone listened to their teen daughter lately - or tried to explain to their mom (the grandma) about their teen daughter's (the granddaughter) social life lately? Just me. Okay. LOL 8mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement I thought of FRANKENSTEIN the whole time I was reading it, though I believe it was only one frame story, not two. And for a short story to have two--that's where all those quotation marks go crazy! 😂 8mo

CogsOfEncouragement @dabbe I read it about ten years ago, but I remember setting it down to tell my husband that I was reading a story, within a story, within a story. lol 8mo

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The Adventure of the Gloria Scott: Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
#TheGloriaScott #TGS

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Librarybelle I thought the cipher was more ingenious in that there was a code, albeit a simple code, to identity the message. It‘s my guess that the British at this time still considered Australia to be a bit wild—though it was no longer the place the British sent their convicts (I did a quick search and saw it ended about 25-30 years before the publication of this story), I‘m sure they had visions of unlawfulness. 8mo

Cuilin @Librarybelle good research. @Dabbe Unfortunately there was an idea that it was a place full of “convicts” and therefore wild. You could be sent for anything from grand larceny to petty theft. 1 in 7 were women. (edited) 8mo

IndoorDame I think the wild myth has persisted. I don‘t think the fact that Australia started as a penal colony is still the first thing that comes to mind for most people, but I know lots of people who if you say Australia immediately think ‘an incredible amount of deadly wildlife‘ - and that‘s mostly what they know about the place, still just cliches. 8mo

dabbe @Librarybelle Excellent research. This would fit perfectly then because the mutiny took place 20-30 years earlier than the publication date. 8mo

dabbe @IndoorDame Or they think of it as the “land down under.“ #menatwork 🤩 (edited) 8mo

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The Adventure of the Gloria Scott: Sherlock Holmes | Arthur Conan Doyle

#NoPlaceLikeHolmes
#TheGloriaScott #TGS

Thoughts, Sherlockians?

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Librarybelle Oh my! I didn‘t catch the significance of his telling all when there was no one to tell! 😂 But, you‘re right. Maybe I missed this part too…did they say what officials thought happened to the mutineers? Are they assumed dead or on the lam? Maybe we as the reader do not know there is a bounty for any information on the mutineers. But, I think Hudson is just a blackmailer. 8mo

IndoorDame That actually seems like the part of a case Holmes might usually solve. But as a throwaway comment to set up the action it seems a little like lazy writing if people are thinking this is in Doyle‘s lull. 8mo

CogsOfEncouragement The two have started over with new names and made a good life for themselves. They have a lot to lose. I took “told all“ to mean exposing them for their crimes to their society/friends/new family. It was not the fear of being punished in a cell, it was having their whole lives ripped from them. I guess maybe a cell too? Hudson is described as a young seaman when rescued. I took him as one of the men listed that were in support of the captain. 8mo

dabbe @CogsOfEncouragement I believe Pendergast killed all opposing people after putting Armitage and the others on the outcast boat. The only one who remained to be killed--“the first mate“--was the one who blew up the ship. That's why I thought Hudson was with Pendergast--otherwise he would have been killed and would not have lived to see the ship get blown up. 8mo

CogsOfEncouragement @dabbe I see. 8mo

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