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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

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How is everyone doing, today? How is everyone doing with this book? I‘m opening this week‘s discussion to talk about anything! Let‘s call this our bookish group therapy session. lol
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TheBookHippie I‘m just setting down with it -gathering thoughts … however- I think I‘d like to be an octopus. I find myself very very aligned with them 😂🤣😂 3d

TheBookHippie Honestly though the book is good. It‘s not about these animals necessarily but us and I am enjoying trying to explore that thought. 3d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I was seriously have been thinking the same thoughts while reading this week‘s chapter. There are a couple of parts where I was thinking, yup, I‘m an octopus. It‘s so interesting to see ourselves through this other very different lens. I feel like we could all just be octopi and have our own little shell ledge and just hang out down there, ignoring the rest of the world for a while. 3d

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TheBookHippie @GingerAntics this exactly!!! I know @kspenmoll has posted some gems while reading and I think yes! It‘s quite fascinating. These last three years I‘ve read a lot of octopus books and I‘ve fallen for them where as before never considered them and then I thought - is it because we are taught to fear them or see them as icky? 3d

TheBookHippie Like I had octopuses all wrong… it‘s like what people did to witches. And now in this time we are living in -this hell scape, I think it‘s very important to learn and talk about all the creatures of the ocean and everywhere and their intelligence and everything else. So people don‘t kill them!!!! 3d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I feel like this is the same sort of place I‘m at. We are told all these scary things about them in school or we read these stories of giant ones that could eat a human or something, and so we fear what we don‘t know enough about. Then in this book, we‘re looking at these octopi that are as small as the tip of your finger or the size of a pet dog. I want to go diving and put out my arm, just to watch an octopus put out theirs too. 3d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie what an amazing experience that would be. 3d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics EXACTLY! Which is why I fear project 2025. And I too want to just swim with them. 3d

CatLass007 @TheBookHippie @GingerAntics what group is this? Because I have been reading a lot about octopi in the last couple of years also. This book has been on my radar for a while. I would love to have read it with a group. Do you really think that if people understood that creatures of the ocean have intelligence the creatures would be protected from being killed? People kill other people. Am I being cynical? 3d

TheBookHippie @CatLass007 they‘d protect an animal over a person sometimes. In my experience once something is in your life, or you have an experience with it, it isn‘t as easy to kill. That‘s why travel, community, zoos, field trips etc are important. We are still reading this book. 3d

TheBookHippie @CatLass007 We are the #DeadPhilosophersSociety you can look back at what we read and who we are. 3d

CatLass007 @TheBookHippie Thank you for the info. I definitely will check y‘all out. I see where you‘re coming from but what about aquariums and whale watches? Their presence doesn‘t keep people from polluting the oceans. Zoos don‘t prevent people from calling climate change fake news. People still want their rhino horns for aphrodisiacs and people still want their gorilla hand ashtrays. I believe it is vital to love and respect our fellow human (cont)⬇️ (edited) 3d

CatLass007 @TheBookHippie beings and equally as vital to love and care for this planet and all the creatures who live on it. But I question the willingness of the majority to do the same. (edited) 3d

TheBookHippie @CatLass007 every one saved is a good day. A lot of zoos and aquariums do massively good work to keep species from extinction. The majority may never do good, it‘s an everyday fight to get the minimum in most things, that‘s just life. I focus on who is doing good and how I can help them. 3d

CatLass007 @TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Have you got a reading plan for the entire year or do you vote on books on a monthly or bi-monthly or whatever basis? 3d

GingerAntics @CatLass007 I think it has a lot to do with the way people are raised and what they are open to. People who were raised in the theology of the world is ours to subdue and dominate can learn something else. People who use rhino horn instead of viagra don‘t have the means or education to know better. It‘s all about giving people opportunities to learn something new. Some will take it and some won‘t. Every opportunity is exactly that: a chance. 3d

GingerAntics @CatLass007 not everyone will take it, but some will. It takes time. There are zoos like we had when we were kids, and there are zoos now that talk about conservation efforts and are part of those efforts. All of those things change how kids see the world. All of those kids grow up to be adults who see the world as something they can work with or against. It‘s all a process. 3d

GingerAntics @CatLass007 you can only do what you can do… and sometimes you just want to join a colony of octopi. 3d

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie girl, same! I‘m ready. Let‘s go. Let‘s just join an octopi colony. I wonder what they do instead of reading. I don‘t think the salt water will be good for the books or our e-readers. 3d

GingerAntics @CatLass007 when we get done with this book, we will take a few weeks off and choose a new book, then we do a chapter a week until we finish. We‘ve tried planning multiple books ahead and it never works. 🤷🏼‍♀️ 3d

CatLass007 @GingerAntics @TheBookHippie You both have said things that make me want to think some more about what I just said. I think that‘s the point of philosophy, having discussions that make you think. 3d

TheBookHippie @CatLass007 🙃 3d

CatLass007 Thank you. I participate in some buddy reads in which the books are planned for the entire year. I participate in others in which the books are voted on monthly. I personally like to know what books will be discussed for the entire year because it helps me plan my budget and my library holds. But I understand that‘s not always possible. 3d

kspenmoll I am still catching up but I loved and laughed at “feisty” Charles the octopus! 3d

kspenmoll @GingerAntics @TheBookHippie My husband has always had a penchant for octopuses because he grew up in FL. We have had books & creatures & he played an octopus with my son. 😀 3d

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll it‘s so life giving reading this book! I too like feisty Charles, shocking I know! My grandson adores them so I‘ve been immersed these past two years and loving it. 3d

kspenmoll @CatLass007 @TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Here is a recent story of one seal baby saved. One=many. https://www.wtnh.com/news/connecticut/new-haven/mysterious-seal-found-in-new-hav... (edited) 3d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll wasn‘t he great?! 3d

GingerAntics @CatLass007 welcome to the party! 3d

CatLass007 @GingerAntics Thank you. This book isn‘t available in my library and it definitely doesn‘t fall within my budget this month and probably not next month either. But I do plan to listen to the audiobook in the near future. I‘m afraid it‘s just a matter of $. 3d

CatLass007 @GingerAntics @kspenmoll @TheBookHippie Have y‘all read The Serviceberry? I just finished it and I thought it was excellent. I wouldn‘t mind a re-listen with you if you haven‘t already read it. 3d

AlaSkaat Also a fan of Charles! It makes me laugh how they will squirt lots of water at you simply because they don‘t like you. Why can‘t we do that?? 3d

AlaSkaat I‘m curious to know about their memory 3d

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat I‘m hoping that‘s coming up. I feel like that will be so interesting. 3d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll @TheBookHippie @CatLass007 @AlaSkaat anyone else watching The Americas tonight? If not, I highly recommend. Tom Hanks is doing an AMAZING job with the narration. It‘s just breathtaking! 3d

TheBookHippie @AlaSkaat yes!!! We need that skill!!! 3d

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics oh thx! 3d

AlaSkaat @GingerAntics I confused Tom Hanks for Tom Cruise and was so confused how he could be doing that so well 😂 can‘t watch it in the UK I think. 2d

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat that sucks! Especially because it‘s been done through BBC studios. 2d

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GingerAntics

Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

This part made me laugh. I‘m not gonna lie.
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#PeterGodfreySmith #OtherMinds #Philosophy #AdventuresInPhilosophy #DeadPhilosophersSociety

kspenmoll 🤣 3d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll other than the not monogamous thing, I think this is another point in favour of me being an octopus. 3d

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GingerAntics

Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

Imagine if your arm or your foot could actually process information in conjunction with your brain. Not just send information to your brain, but actually process that information and send the conclusions to your brain!
🤯🤯🤯
#PeterGodfreySmith #OtherMinds #Philosophy #AdventuresInPhilosophy #DeadPhilosophersSociety

kspenmoll That would make processing our environment lightening quick! 3d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll right? Just imagine how much different that experience would be? If we could keep our current brains and just add on the new neurones, think of how much mental space that could free up to think about other things! 3d

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GingerAntics

Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

I may be an octopus.
#PeterGodfreySmith #OtherMinds #Philosophy #AdventuresInPhilosophy #DeadPhilosophersSociety

Bookwomble 💖🐙💖 4d

kspenmoll I just bet you are!!!!😂😂😂😉 (edited) 3d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll 🤣😂🤣 thank you 3d

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

What I wouldn‘t give to see an octopus in a coconut shell.
#PeterGodfreySmith #OtherMinds #Philosophy #AdventuresInPhilosophy #DeadPhilosophersSociety

kspenmoll This is so cool. 3d

GingerAntics @kspenmoll isn‘t it? I would LOVE to see this. 3d

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Kitta

Criaturas Luminosas / Remarkably Bright Creatures | Shelby Van Pelt

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Low pick for me, I was annoyed at the chapters narrated by the octopus and I guess I dislike knowing things the characters have yet to figure out. It seemed very obvious to me what was going to happen even from the start.

Still, I was enjoying it more than the other book I‘m reading so that pushes it more into the pick category I guess?

LoverOfLearning On my list of 40 books to read! Hope I enjoy it. 7d

Kitta @LoverOfLearning most people really enjoyed it! The rating on goodreads is 4.28. I worked at a marine biology station for a bit and we had an octopus we were studying, so maybe the slight inaccuracy was too much for me 😆 7d

LoverOfLearning @Kitta Ohhh yeah I can see that being a bit annoying hahah 6d

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From Dust to Stardust | Kathleen Rooney

#octopus #OtherMinds #adventuresinphilosopy
I am captivated when one book I am reading connects to another! #sundaybuddyread

TheBookHippie, GingerAntics

GingerAntics I love this! I may have to check out this book! 1w

Lesliereadsalot This is next on my shelf! 1w

willaful I read a book this month that referenced The Bell Jar. 3d

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kspenmoll

Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

“The real survivor is indeed a cephalopd, but nautilus rather than octopus.Still living in the Pacific, present-day nautiluses are little changed from 200 million years ago. Living in coiled shells,they‘re now scavengers.They have simple eyes and a cluster of tentacles,and they move up and down, from the deep sea to shallower water in a rhythm that‘s still being studied.They seem to stay higher in the water at night, deeper in the day.”

GingerAntics

kspenmoll Immediately thought of OWH‘s poem The Chambered Nautilus, which I have co-taught, unpacked, & analyzed with students. 1w

LoverOfLearning Looks like a cool little book! 1w

GingerAntics @LoverOfLearning we‘re enjoying it. So far, highly recommended. 1w

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

Started this tonight. This book totally engaged me- all new learning. I am keeping to the schedule @GingerAntics set, so I can take it slow, digest & process what I am absorbing. #adventuresinphilosophy

GingerAntics This is a great book, isn‘t it? I‘ve only read the first chapter so far, but it‘s wonderful! 2w

kspenmoll @GingerAntics I am loving the author‘s approach- he is making this unknown world accessible for me! 2w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I feel like he‘s making multiple things more accessible. Philosophy, marine biology. 2w

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Other Minds: The Octopus, the Sea, and the Deep Origins of Consciousness | Peter Godfrey-Smith

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Scuba Diving Philosophy. Thoughts so far?
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kspenmoll I had to read slowly & felt I could note the whole chapter but I broke it down to a few thoughts that spoke to me. What the author writes of & his ocean world is totally new to me. 2w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll yeah, I was actually worried at first it wasn‘t philosophy, but he brought it around beautifully. I think this book is going to be an awesome adventure. I like the linking of the ocean world and ours. 2w

GingerAntics @kspenmoll I even ended up looking up octopus eyes. lol 2w

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AlaSkaat My questions from last week were answered, haha 2w

AlaSkaat I forgot how much I liked biology, especially when it‘s in this form! I think I will enjoy this one. I can‘t say I know much about it though, but basically the octopus is a fluke? lol. Went down the wrong line maybe 2w

AlaSkaat An intelligent alien. - I‘m still confused. Does he mean the octopus can experience things as we can? Dolphins and such are very smart… but do they have consciousness? Can they ‘observe‘ the world? 🤷‍♀️ 2w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat the dolphin brain comes from the same place our brain does, evolutionarily. The octopus brain evolved from a different line. So its brain is fundamentally unique from all other intelligent brains on earth. That‘s what I got from the intelligent alien comment. 2w

AlaSkaat Aa that makes sense. Looking forward to reading more about that 2w

GingerAntics @AlaSkaat it is a truly unique perspective to think about… consciousness through octopi. 2w

ravenlee @AlaSkaat Dolphins have passed the mirror test, a standard test for self-awareness, and demonstrate long-term learning strategies. Without being able to communicate with them about their intellectual lives, that might be as close as we can get to saying they have consciousness. 2w

ravenlee @GingerAntics I like that the author is using philosophy to make the science more accessible, and the science to make the philosophy more accessible. Tying together two intimidating specialties in a way that both become less off-putting. 2w

GingerAntics @ravenlee the dolphins taking the mirror test is also beyond adorable! 100% agree about the accessibility point. He‘s really brought in a sense of wonder for all of it. It‘s wonderful! It‘s fun to read. 2w

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