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The Worm Ouroboros
The Worm Ouroboros | E. R. Eddison
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"The greatest and most convincing writer of 'invented worlds' that I have read." J. R. R. Tolkien. Written in the best traditions of Homeric epics, Eddison's masterpiece recounts compelling tales of warriors and witches.
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Bookwomble
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Well, it took me 15 months and a stack of dictionaries, but I've finally finished this epic! I feel as much a sense of accomplishment in the reading as Eddison might have felt in the writing of it!

I don't recall it having been so laborious from my first time of reading back in my teenage years, but I guess without internet reference rabbit-holes to fall down, it would be a faster read, though somewhat more archaic and obscure.
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Bookwomble Anyway, the plot takes precedence over character, and there's barely any plot to speak of, so what you are left with is a framework over which Eddison drapes his sumptuous language, weaving moods and reveries, sometimes loud, brash & theatrical, at othertimes delicate fretwork of bejewelled, gilded traceries. It's definitely a love/hate book, and I've needed my own mood to be right to enter into Eddison's world, but I was happy to take my time ⬇️ 12mo
Bookwomble ... and approach it as a feast of many courses, rather than a fast food binge.
So, I did actually 5 shiny🌟s love it 💖📖💖 😊
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TheBookgeekFrau 👏🏼 Bravo!!!! 🎉 12mo
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Ruthiella I often think about how I read before the internet. I would look things up in encyclopedias or reference books if I had them to hand, but that was rare. I just soldiered on. I‘m not sure if either way is “better”. 12mo
Bookwomble @TheBookgeekFrau I thank you! 🙏😊 12mo
Bookwomble @Ruthiella I'd always use a dictionary if I came across an unknown word, and if we'd had a set of encyclopedias, I'd have consulted that, too, but with this book I'd have struggled to find the rather obscure and recondite words Eddison deliberately chose to create his effect. As you say, "better" is debatable, but using the internet can certainly be more immersive. 12mo
The_Book_Ninja I never let unknown words slow me down when I was a younger reader. Nowadays I obsess over every unknown word just in case I want to showboat my extensive vocabulary and wax largiloquent at an eellogofusciouhipoppokunurious cocktail party 12mo
Bookwomble @The_Book_Ninja Ha, ha!! 😂 Obviously, I had to look that up! https://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-eel1.htm 12mo
jitteryjane724 Well done!! 12mo
Bookwomble @jitteryjane724 Thank you - it was an achievement! 12mo
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"Hungry dogs will eat dirty puddings."

I loved this insult used by Lord Corund of Witchland about those prepared to justify treacherous actions in the name of political expediency, and wondered if it was of Eddison's coining. The internet tracks it back to 1721, where it was recorded as an Old English Proverb by Nathan Bailey in a section of his Universal Etymological Dictionary, gloriously titled: ?⬇️

Bookwomble "Divers Proverbs, with their explication & illustration. Compiled and Methodically Digested as well for the Entertainment of the Curious as the Information of the Ignorant and for the Benefit of Young Students, Artificers, Tradesmen & Foreigners who are desirous thorowly to understand what they Speak, Read or Write"
[Source: https://www.fromoldbooks.org/proverbs/pages/pp28-29/#details]
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AlaMich “Hungry dogs will eat dirty pudding” sounds like a science mnemonic. Like “kings play chess on fine grain sand” that I learned in high school. 12mo
Bookwomble @AlaMich Yes, it does have a mnemonic rhythm! 😄 12mo
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The_Book_Ninja Why does an f act as an s when there‘s already an f doing f things? Confufing! 12mo
Bookwomble @The_Book_Ninja It's not an f, it's a long s: ſ 😊 It was discontinued because, yes, it's confuſing 😄 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s 12mo
Graywacke @Bookwomble 🙂 thankſ 12mo
The_Book_Ninja Says it was discontinued but has it in his tablet/phone keyboard 🤔😂 12mo
Bookwomble @Graywacke I'm going to be really pedantic and say that long s isn't used as a terminal letter, other than if it's at the end of an abbreviation (this knowledge has been part of my store for all of 60 minutes 😄) 12mo
Bookwomble @The_Book_Ninja Well, copy and paſte has its uſes 😏 (edited) 12mo
bibliothecarivs 'Hunger's the best sauce'' is another one to remember. 12mo
Bookwomble @bibliothecarivs Yes! 😋 That one just peeps out at the bottom of the image, and it's a good and true observation. 12mo
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"Zigg and Astar, wrapped in their cloaks, lay on the gowany dewy banks that sloped down to the water‘s edge."

#WeirdWords
Although Eddison uses obscure words in practically every paragraph, I was smitten by the word "gowany", which means ? "covered in daisies" ?
Gowan is an archaic Scottish dialect word for daisy (and I apologise to any Scots Littens for whom this may be a commonly used modern word ????????).

Graywacke A great word. If I could only remember it and find a place to use it… 12mo
Bookwomble @Graywacke My lawn in the summer is very gowany, and that's when I'll be whipping out that baby! 🌼😄🌼 12mo
Graywacke @Bookwomble hmm. I‘ll have to be more metaphorical. My pup forgot the sidewalk, as if the ground the paws touched turned momentarily gowany. 12mo
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Bookwomble @Graywacke Perhaps you could buy a loved one a bouquet of daisies to make their room gowany? 😊 12mo
Graywacke @Bookwomble I need to find a gowany flourist first 12mo
Bookwomble @Graywacke I felt sure there must be a "Gowan's Florist" I could signpost you to, but sadly not, unless you have a time machine to take you to a defunct one in Glasgow, 2017⏳ 12mo
Graywacke @Bookwomble see, what a great excuse to see Glasgow that could have been. (Cool that there was one…cool that you found it!) 12mo
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"Surely, the great mountains of the world are a present remedy if men did but know it against our modern discontent and ambitions. In the hills is wisdom's fount. They are deep in time. They know the ways of the sun & the wind, the lightning's fiery feet, the frost that shattereth, the rain that shroudeth, the snow that putteth about their nakedness a softer coverlet than fine lawn: which if their large philosophy question not if it be a bridal ⬇️

Bookwomble ... sheet or a shroud, hath not this unpolicied calm his justification ever in the returning year, and is it not an instance to laugh our carelessness out of fashion? of us, little children of the dust, children of a day, who with so many burdens do burden us with taking thought and with fears and desires and devious schemings of the mind, so that we wax old before our time and fall weary ere the brief day be spent and one reaping-hook gather ⬇️ 14mo
Bookwomble ... us home at last for all our pains."

Probably too long a quote, but I liked the imagery, flow of language, and sentiment.
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"The prime huff-cap of all holdeth aback it seemeth."

Another glorious Eddison insult: "Huff-cap". Originally a strong ale, transitively a person whose blustering character resembles that of one drunk on strong ale. I love that in using this obsolete word, Eddison further chose the even more obsolete hyphenated spelling ?

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"The guilt of their black deed planteth them day by day more firmlier in my deeper-settled hate. Art thou so deeply read in nature and her large philosophy, and I am yet to teach thee that deadliest hellebore or the vomit of a toad are qualified poison to the malice of a woman?"
- Queen Prezmyra of Witchland to Lord Gro of Goblinland regarding her undying hate of the Lord's Juss and Brandoch Daha of Demonland.
It's laid on with a trowel, but ?

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"By then was the sun gone down. Under the wings of night uplifted from the east, the unfathomable heights of air turned a richer blue; and here and there, most dim and hard to see, throbbed a tiny point of light: the greater stars opening their eyelids to the gathering dark. Gloom crept upward, brimming the valleys far below like a rising tide of the sea. Frost and stillness waited on the eternal night to resume her reign."

Bookwomble It's been 9 months since I last picked up this book: this beautifully evocative language is what draws me back, although at times it can be rather dense to push through. 1y
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"Truly I was seldom so uncivil as surprise Madam Aurora in her nightgown."
= I'm a drunken bastard who's rarely up before noon. Sounds better the Eddison way! ????

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"Traitors were ever dastards. And who ever heard tell of a more hellish devilish damned traitor than he? With cunning colubrine and malice viperine and sleights serpentine... the fat chuff-cat"

I'm eating this dialogue up with a spoon! Three different adjectives for snake is good, but the next person to piss me off is getting called a chuff-cat ?

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"Midsummer night, ambrosial, starry-kirtled, walked on the sea, as the ship that brought the Demons home drew nigh to her journey's end." ?

RaeLovesToRead I love this picture 🥰 2y
Bookwomble @RaeLovesToRead I thought it fitted the quote well 😊 2y
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"I had rather a hundred people should read my books again and again than that a million read them once and be done with them."

Quote not directly taken from "The Worm Ouroboros", but encapsulates, I think, Eddison's aesthetic sense as being fairly devoid of obligation to an audience, and more concerned with his own artistic expression. ?

Bookwomble ... I think in this he is closely comparable to Tolkien, whose vast legendarium was, in its inception and probably always in his heart, a personal project which he was persuaded (thankfully!) to share with others. 2y
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Bookwomble
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Imagine a play in the Shakespearean style with 50 on-stage characters, 49 of whom are played by Brian Blessed, the other one by Peter Lorre, and you've got some idea of this book. It's florid and Soooo over the top! Wondrous 😊

quirkyreader I read this one a long time ago. I was thinking about “The Lord of The Rings” when I was reading it. 2y
Bookwomble @quirkyreader It does get a lot of comparison to LOTR, and Tolkien and the Inklings did admire Eddison, but personally I think both the style and intent are very different. [Deleted lecture on analysis of themes.] They do certainly have in common the High Fantasy setting. 😊 2y
TieDyeDude That sounds amazing! 2y
Bookwomble @TieDyeDude It IS amazing! 😃 2y
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"There was a man named Lessingham dwelt in an old low house in Wastdale, set in a gray old garden where yew-trees flourished that had seen Vikings in Copeland in their seedling time."

#FirstLineFridays @ShyBookOwl

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"Chapter IV - Conjuring in the Iron Tower

Of the Hold of Carcë, and of the Midnight Practices of King Gorice XII. In the Ancient Chamber, preparing Dole and Doom for the Lords of Demonland."

I love the chapter subtitles, which are really evocative of the narrative, and which I can imagine some bard or minstrel declaiming to get the attention of distracted feasters in a Scandinavian mead hall or mediaeval palace.
Illustration: Gorice XII in Carcë

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I love the end-chapter embellishments & chapter title fonts in these Ballantine editions. I don't know if other publishers used them but I do think they're in keeping with the florid style of Eddison's prose, which sometimes seems more like verse.
It's a glorious summer's day in West Lancashire, I'm sitting in the shade of a small oak tree with the scent of wild honeysuckle drifting on the breeze, listening to The Verve & feeling pretty chilled 😌

Graywacke Lovely 2y
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Bookwomble
Worm Ouroboros | Eric Rhucker Eddison
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I really shouldn't be starting another book, especially one that's 520 pages long, but here I am! I read the edition on the left about 1980, and bought the one on the right more recently - 10 years ago? 🤔 Probably longer as I haven't recorded the acquisition date - anyway, I've been having the feels to reread it for several months, so...
I prefer the simplicity and directness of the cover on the left, the right having a certain cluttered charm 👇

Bookwomble ... that I do still like. I'll read that one, if for no other reason that having bought it, I should 😏
Now, comparing things to Tolkien was the marketing ploy of choice for publishers in the 60s/70s, and this is really nothing like Tolkien, despite being a high fantasy. I love Eddison's prose, but it's definitely idiosyncratic, and anyone who loved that last book I bailed on could, with equal justification, slag this off with prejudice! 😄
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SerialReader
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New addition to Serial Reader (56 issues): On a remote world, the King of Witchland and Lords of Demonland strive for dominance amidst sorcerers, goblins, fantastic beats, and raging armies. A high fantasy novel that shaped modern sci-fi and fantasy, including Tolkien!

BarbaraBB Great! 2y
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Anna from Gustine
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I just could not finish this book. I tried. It was an odd book, definitely a product of its time. Confusing and ornately plotted. Aside from the paucity of female characters, I also struggled with the prose. This book was written in a style much like Elizabethan English. Not easy to read and, in this case, not poetic. In other words, it's not like you can stay for the language if the plot doesn't work for you. Lots of wrestling too. :/

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effani
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It's my Litsyversary! A year ago today, I was slogging my way through The Worm Ouroboros and longing for a place to snark about it. Then a friend mentioned Litsy, I signed up to see how I liked it, and the rest was history.

Most of the books I've read in the past year have been better than this one, although I haven't beat this view.

Thanks @HappyLitsyversary for the tag!

claudiuo Happy Litsyversary! 4y
Smrloomis 🥳 Congratulations on your Litsyversary 😄 4y
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Ms_Gizmotronic
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Such an epic fantasy that, according to some literary analysts, paved the way for J.R.R.Tolkein and his genius. It is rather old fashioned because of this and it took me a long time to finish this book but I'm so glad I made the effort. This first chapter is irrelevant and it could do with a map!
Love a good fantasy map.

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effani
The Worm Ouroboros | E.R. Eddison

Come to think of it, this book makes me think it is the game the author used to play with his toy soldiers when he was a kid. That would explain some of the character names (Fax Fay Faz?!), the way the narrative just skips over anything he doesn't find interesting at the moment, and most importantly, the ending.

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effani
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The prose is positively ultraviolet, there are plot holes big enough to march an army through, the author has an exceedingly poor grasp on the concept that women are people, and occasionally a nasty racist stereotype hits you over the head. At a bare minimum it desperately needed another pass by a good editor. It had a certain propulsive energy that kept me reading to the end, but I don't recommend the experience.

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effani
The Worm Ouroboros | E.R. Eddison

Topics of conversation among women, according to this book:

1. I am very pretty. Isn't my husband fortunate?
2. Who is the best man in all the land? (I'll be mad if you don't say my husband, even though I know you don't like him.)
3. That other woman is a shameless hussy.

sprainedbrain Oh boy... this sounds challenging. 😬 5y
effani @sprainedbrain It is so bad! I'm looking forward to finishing it so I can get back to reading enjoyable things. 5y
sprainedbrain @effani I get that! I very rarely bail on books, so occasionally end up hate-reading through one. 😂 5y
effani @sprainedbrain I'm normally pretty quick to bail and encourage others to do the same, but for whatever reason this book grabbed me just enough to want to keep going. 5y
Nute Whoa! This book must have been excruciating to plow through! 5y
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effani
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On page 464, less than 50 pages from the end, this book finally passes the Bechdel test. Partly with two women gossiping negatively about another woman, lest you give it too much credit.

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effani
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Got a lot of reading done on a camping trip this weekend, away from the distractions of home. I took along a backup book in case I got too fed up with this one, but I ended up just powering through. I'm so close to finished I can almost taste it...

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effani
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I am really mad at this book right now and contemplating bailing, except that I've been slogging through it for a month and a half and I'm over halfway through so the sunk costs are significant. I'm not going to be able to take much more of this misogynist section though. It's much better (“better“) when it's ignoring the existence of women.

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effani
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The book is no better than it's ever been, but at least I got to read in a beautiful location for a while.

readingjedi That view is amazing! 5y
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effani
The Worm Ouroboros | E.R. Eddison

If the audio version of this book has a good narrator, I bet it would make an excellent sleep aid.

If not, someone is missing out on a real opportunity.

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effani
The Worm Ouroboros | E.R. Eddison

I would very much like some explanation of the naming convention that led to the brothers Juss, Goldry Bluszco, and Spitfire.

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effani
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And a man might make a garment for the moon sooner than fit the o'er-leaping actions of great Jalcanaius, who now leaveth but his body to bedung that earth that was lately shaken at his terror.

effani I hope somebody uses the word “bedung“ in my eulogy when I die 5y
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effani
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Dismal and fearsome to view was this strong place of Carcë, most like to the embodied soul of dreadful night brooding on the waters of that sluggish river: by day a shadow in broad sunshine, the likeness of pitiless violence sitting in the place of power, darkening the desolation of the mournful fen; by night, a blackness more black than night herself.

effani This is the most metal thing I've ever read. 5y
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effani
The Worm Ouroboros | E.R. Eddison

“Mr. Eddison's...mind has more affinities with the Celtic imaginings and method, and his work is Celtic in that it is inspired by beauty and daring rather than by thoughts and moralities. He might be Scotch or Irish: scarcely the former, for, while Scotland loves full-mouthed verse, she, like England, is prose-shy.“

I translate this as “this introduction is due tomorrow and I forgot to ask the editor for some basic facts about the author.“

rather_be_reading welcome to litsy 📚☕📚 @LitsyWelcomeWagon 5y
effani @rather_be_reading Thanks! Still trying to figure out what I'm doing here and find my way around... 😄 5y
rather_be_reading @effani you will get the hang of it!! if u need help lemme know! 5y
Nute Welcome to Litsy! It‘s a warm and friendly community. I know that you will enjoy yourself here. I‘m looking forward to getting to know you!🙂 5y
effani @Nute Thanks, and likewise! I'm enjoying it here so far! 5y
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Ms_Gizmotronic
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Very nearly half way through. It's such a wonderful old book and precursor to J. R. R. Tolkein that I desperately want to get through it. I'm away for work this week so I'm hoping some evening reading sessions will get me a fair way through it.