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The Five Red Herrings
The Five Red Herrings | Dorothy L. Sayers
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During a painting retreat, a killer takes a creative approach to the ancient art of murder The majestic landscape of the Scottish coast has attracted artists and fishermen for centuries. In the idyllic village of Kirkcudbright, every resident and visitor has 2 things in common: They either fish or paint (or do both), and they all hate Sandy Campbell. Though a fair painter, he is a rotten human being, and cannot enter a pub without raising the blood pressure of everybody there. No one weeps when he dies. Campbells body is found at the bottom of a steep hill, and his easel stands at the top, suggesting that he took a tumble while painting. But something about the death doesnt sit right with gentleman sleuth Lord Peter Wimsey. No one in Kirkcudbright liked Campbell, and 6 hated him enough to become suspects; 5 are innocent, and the other is the perpetrator of the most ingenious murder Lord Peter has ever encountered. The Five Red Herrings is the 7th book in the Lord Peter Wimsey Mysteries, but you may enjoy the series by reading the books in any order. This ebook features an illustrated biography of Dorothy L. Sayers including rare images from the Marion E. Wade Center at Wheaton College.
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ImperfectCJ
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I have to leave for a coffee date I've been looking forward to, but Wimsey is just about to do the Big Reveal! This is why I wish I lived somewhere with better public transit.

IndoorDame Great mug! 5mo
TheBookgeekFrau That mug!😍😍😍 5mo
BarbaraJean I hate having to put down a book right before the Big Reveal!! And I also love your mug. 😊 5mo
ImperfectCJ @IndoorDame @TheBookgeekFrau @BarbaraJean Thanks! We got it from a local artist. It was originally my spouse's mug, but I kind of took it over 5mo
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ImperfectCJ
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Okay, so this book just had a scene in which the characters have a detailed conversation about which trains and buses are best to take, and now I keep picturing the characters as the cast of SNL's The Californians.

LiteraryinPA Yesssssss 5mo
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ImperfectCJ
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Time notation in this novel is different than I've seen it before. I've been able to find an explanation for "point format" (using a point rather than a colon between the hour and minute), but I'm not sure about the absence of the zero before a single-digit minute (1.7 vs 1.07). My hypothesis: That the zero as a placeholder is an addition that came about after digital clocks were introduced.

Does anyone have insight into this history?

ImperfectCJ @TieDyeDude Hmm...this makes sense for a timecard where you're measuring amounts of time, but I don't think in the context of the time-telling usage in this pre-WWII novel (e.g., in dialogue and in train time tables), the decimal point as representing a portion of an hour works. Of course, I might be reading it wrong, but I'm reading 1.7 pm as "one-seven p.m.", similar to 1:07 (one-o-seven p.m.) 5mo
ImperfectCJ I got my info about point notation from Wikipedia, but no light shed on the lack of a zero before a single-digit minute: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_in_the_United_Kingdom 5mo
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TieDyeDude Ah, yeah, I was just looking at 1.7, but 1.48 seems overly complicated for measuring amounts of time. I can't really find anything else. I'd be curious if the print version of the book has the same notation... 5mo
ImperfectCJ @TieDyeDude Style guides online for various UK entities (Oxford University Press, The Times, The Guardian) use the point format for the 12-hour clock (i.e., 1.48 pm), so I feel confident that the overall format is a UK thing, but that lack of a first zero is still a mystery. I suppose my initial hypothesis still stands, but I'd love actual evidence rather than just not having it proven wrong 5mo
TieDyeDude 😁 🔎🧩 5mo
julesG I agree with your hypothesis about it being pre-digital clocks. 5mo
Faranae I've been looking through compositor's manuals, but I can't find any that deal with time tables or schedules. I know the point format has been in use in the UK since at least the 1840s (since that's the oldest compositor's manual I looked at) but none of them omit mentioning the 0s. On the other hand, decimilising time would be a very French Revolutionary thing to do, so even more unlikely (and really, really impractical). 5mo
Faranae Having found the original print edition in PDF, I still don't know if it's *standard* or just how the character chooses to write the times, but in context it's fairly clear on the printed page that it's what we'd write as 1:07 5mo
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ImperfectCJ
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While it was pleasant to spend a couple of days with Netflix true crime shows, I am very glad that I have enough energy and focus to read a bit today! Although I'd read that the more recent strains aren't supposed to mess with your sense of smell as much, I'm definitely not able to smell or taste like usual. But with a teen just back from sleepaway camp, maybe it's not all bad that my sense of smell is diminished. 😂

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ImperfectCJ
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Home from traveling and at the hair salon getting the boy-teen cleaned up for camp and a really cool musical performance opportunity that came up for him. This is such a busy summer, just one thing after the next! It's nice but tiring.

In other news: The dialect in this novel is really slowing me down. The interactions are clearly funny, but I feel like the sloth from Zootopia with how long it takes me to get the jokes.

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ImperfectCJ
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Travel day! Spent the 5+ hours on the plane trying to nap then giving up and watching Amelie, and now I'm trying to get some reading in on the hour-long train ride. The train is not nearly as air conditioned as I expected it to be. 🥵

ImperfectCJ Update: Between the swaying, the jerky stops and starts, and the heat, I couldn't read on the train without feeling ill. One last chance before bed! 5mo
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BarbaraJean
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Mehso-so

This was a decent Lord Peter Wimsey mystery, but lacking compared to the previous book (Strong Poison). The mystery was nicely twisty-turny, but the characters needed more fleshing out for me to follow who might have done what. I kept flipping back to Lord Peter‘s initial list of suspects to remind myself of who was who. And I loved the Scottish setting, but the “dialect” often made the dialogue hard to follow! One more for #SeriesLove2023!

TheSpineView Awesome! 13mo
Ruthiella I hate it when authors write in dialect! 👎 13mo
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BarbaraJean
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“…with a sky full of bright sun and rolling cloud-banks, hedges filled with flowers, a well-made road, a lively engine, and the prospect of a good corpse at the end of it, Lord Peter‘s cup of happiness was full. He was a man who loved simple pleasures.”

😂😂

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Ncostell
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Mehso-so

Not my favorite of Sayer‘s Lord Peter Wimsey series but I persevered and ultimately ended up enjoying the book as a whole. The setting of the Scottish Highlands where Wimsey is vacationing was a nice place to visit vicariously in my reading, however the book focused quite a bit on the intricacies of the Scottish railroad system which was a bit dry at times.

SayersLover This one isn‘t my favorite Peter Whimsey either and I‘m glad you preserved. They consistently improve in my opinion. @Ncostell 1y
Ncostell @SayersLover I am optimistic that the next books in the series will be better, thanks for the encouragement! 1y
kspenmoll How are you?❤️ 11mo
Ncostell @kspenmoll I‘m doing well thank you! I finally feel like I am able to breathe after the whirlwind of the holidays. We‘ve had so much rain that our basement was flooded several times over the past two months and we finally had a sump pump installed the other day which is a relief. Now just waiting for spring and warmer weather! 10mo
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merelybookish
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Anyone else seen the Literature Clock? It tells the time using passages from books. 🙂
literature-clock.jenevoldsen.com

BkClubCare Yes! Very cool 3y
AlaMich No, but I will have to check it out now! 3y
megnews Really cool! 3y
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batsy I just tried it and it is indeed very cool! 3y
merelybookish @BkClubCare @AlaMich @megnews @batsy It's fun! I have it open on my laptop and enjoy checking the time. 🙂 3y
BiblioLitten Whoa! Super cool! 3y
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PickwickPlockPlock
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Mehso-so

Maybe I'm too exhausted these days, but I found the focus on train timetables too tiring. There was a fun bit at the end where Peter re-enacts the crime, though.

Moray_Reads This was we l one of my least favourite Wimsey books. It gets so bored down in the details that I got lost and bored. Still had some good moments though 4y
Moray_Reads This was we l one of my least favourite Wimsey books. It gets so bored down in the details that I got lost and bored. Still had some good moments though 4y
PickwickPlockPlock @Moray_Reads It's also my least favourite Wimsey novel so far (I haven't read them all yet). 4y
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PickwickPlockPlock
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Book mail! I SHOULD write, 'send help I keep buying books when I have already so many unread ones', but I don't want help, I want more time to read. I tell myself there are worse vices 😄

AmyG I tell my husband to be happy I don‘t hoard shoes. He is getting off cheap. 🤣 4y
PickwickPlockPlock @AmyG Yes, he should be thankful! 😂 4y
Buechersuechtling “I don't want help, I want more time to read.” – 🙋🏽‍♀️ Me, too‼️ 4y
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PickwickPlockPlock @Buechersuechtling My company has stopped Kurzarbeit and now I have to work an hour more a day again. I don't like it 😭 4y
Buechersuechtling @PickwickPlockPlock Cookie 🍪 for comfort plus tissues. 🤗 4y
readordierachel There are certainly worse vices! No one will judge you here 🙂 4y
PickwickPlockPlock @readordierachel I knew people here would understand me 😊 4y
CaramelLunacy Love your username. My regards to Thursday Next 4y
Suet624 There‘s no shame in buying books!! 4y
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zembla
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Mehso-so

I'm following along with the podcast As My Whimsy Takes Me (https://asmywimseytakesme.com). They're still talking about the divine Strong Poison, which I finished rereading, so I got a jump on the next book in the series.

I've read this one in full before, but it's not my favorite — so much focus on the mechanics of the murder rather than on characters and relationships — so I went with the 3-hour BBC radio adaptation to refresh my memory. #libby

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Lizpixie
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#BookMail Pt18 This is Bk6 in the Lord Peter Wimsey series, I‘m trying to collect the whole series in these editions before they stop distributing them. Lord Peter is in Galloway, Scotland on a fishing trip when artist Sandy Campbell is found dead in a stream with a fractured skull. Everyone assumes it was an accident, except Lord Wimsey when he realises there is something missing from the scene.

LeahBergen I need to get the rest, too! 👍🏻 6y
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thea-block
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Probably my least favorite Sayers so far, mostly because there is little character development and a complicated time-table crime story. Yet, still 3.5 stars!

Well-written, clear characters, and atmospheric.

⭐️⭐️⭐️1/2

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Weaponxgirl
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This is the reason I don't go in the city very often! The books by the tagged author are #blameitonlitsy purchases as is some of the sci fi. I should be rather busy for a while

batsy Oh wow, I see some great titles 🧐 6y
Weaponxgirl @batsy it was a great haul but quite hard to get home with on my bike. 6y
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shanaqui
The Five Red Herrings | Dorothy L. Sayers

As I just rambled elsewhere: "I am reading Five Red Herrings by Dorothy Sayers again. I am more appreciative this time because this version had a good intro that pointed out how embedded Wimsey is in the mystery and how it's never just a mystery, he always cares and that helps you care. Also it has a very clear sense of place. And it is very literally written based on a train timetable. It's all very clever."

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annalibris
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Pickpick

What could be better than a nice British murder mystery that depends on railway and bus timetables? If that nice British murder mystery also includes my favorite literary crush, Lod Peter Wimsey. Yes, technically this is a radio play and not an audiobook, but it‘s still one of my favorite Sayers stories, and the dramatization was so funny that I laughed out loud multiple times.

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Verity
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An old favourite for bedtime listening tonight, with a touch of Peter Wimsey. And not read by Ian Carmichael but Patrick Malahide - who played Roderick Alleyn in the TV adaption of Ngiao Marsh's books. But don't worry. It's not as confusing as that sounds.

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