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In February, the #ChristiesCapers group will read Christie‘s second mystery, and the first featuring the duo Tommy and Tuppence. Originally published in 1922, this introduces the couple from their first meet cute to their adventures in mystery.

Discussion will take place on February 23rd. If you would like to be added or removed from the tag list, please let me know! #AgathaChristieClubR3

OutsmartYourShelf I‘m already partway through the Marple & Poirot series for #192025 but I might dip in & out of the other series with you if that‘s ok @Librarybelle (edited) 11h

Librarybelle Thanks for reposting! 10h

Librarybelle That‘s great, @OutsmartYourShelf ! Would you like me to tag you in the group? There are others who are tagged but are also dipping in and out of the books. 10h

OutsmartYourShelf @Librarybelle Yes please. 9h

Librarybelle Will do, @OutsmartYourShelf ! 😁 9h

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The Secret Adversary | Agatha Christie

Check out this crazy weird cover from 1981 for next month‘s book.
It kind of creeps me out with that giant fly.

1981 printing of the 1967 paperback edition.

#christiescapers
#agathachristieclubR3

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Librarybelle Oh my! That is so strange! 22h

kspenmoll Whoa! 22h

Deblovestoread That is a weird one! 22h

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The Secret Adversary | Agatha Christie

In February, the #ChristiesCapers group will read Christie‘s second mystery, and the first featuring the duo Tommy and Tuppence. Originally published in 1922, this introduces the couple from their first meet cute to their adventures in mystery.

Discussion will take place on February 23rd. If you would like to be added or removed from the tag list, please let me know! #AgathaChristieClubR3

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TheAromaofBooks This is one of my favorites!! I love Tommy and Tuppence so much!! 1d

Bookwormjillk Another new one to me. Looking forward to it! 1d

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Librarybelle Yay, @TheAromaofBooks @Bookwormjillk ! 1d

Deblovestoread It will be a first for me as well. Should be fun! 1d

Librarybelle Yay, @Deblovestoread ! 24h

Aims42 My copy is ‘in transist‘ to my library 🙌 Can‘t wait! 24h

Librarybelle Yay, @Aims42 ! 23h

kspenmoll I think I have it in some stack! 23h

Librarybelle Yay, @kspenmoll ! 22h

Morr_Books This is one I haven't read before! ♥️ 18h

Soscha I need to get signed up for is # 16h

Librarybelle @Morr_Books You‘re more than welcome to join if you would like! I can add you to the tag list too if you would like. Just let me know! 10h

Librarybelle @Soscha I‘m happy to include you in the group! 10h

Morr_Books @Librarybelle Great! Yes..please add me. 😀 9h

Librarybelle Will do, Sarah! @Morr_Books 😁 9h

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The Mysterious Affair at Styles (Poirot) | Agatha Christie

It‘s time for our first #AgathaChristieClubR3 #ChristiesCapers discussion! I posted 9 questions as spoilers; they can be found on my feed, the book‘s feed, or by searching the group‘s hashtags. Feel free to answer whenever!

February‘s book is The Secret Adversary, which is the first Tommy and Tuppence book. More details will be posted tomorrow!

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Sace Thanks for tagging. I‘ve made a note in my reading journal for May-July, but enjoy lurking until then. 😁 2d

Aims42 I‘m excited for the February read! This will be my first Tommy and Tuppence book 😁 2d

Larkken I always forget about Tommy and Tuppence! Looking forward to the read. 2d

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Librarybelle @Larkken Great! Would you like me to add you to the tag list? 2d

Librarybelle Wonderful, @Aims42 ! 😁 2d

Librarybelle @Sace Lurk away! 2d

Larkken @Librarybelle ha. Forgot I was only lurking. Sure! 2d

Librarybelle No worries, @Larkken ! You‘re also welcome to lurk. 😁 2d

Cailey_Mac Yay a list🫶🏼 2d

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The Mysterious Affair at Styles (Poirot) | Agatha Christie

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9. In Lucy Worsley's 3-part documentary, she interviews a professor about Christie's racist and anti-Semitic epithets in her novels (the interview is wonderful).

As we progress in the novels, we'll notice this (there were a couple of instances in my addition of this novel that stood out to me).

But yet, we love Christie, and her works have endured for over 100 years. Why do you think this is the case? #AgathaChristieClubR3 #ChristiesCapers

Aims42 This is another great question!! I can‘t wait to see what other readers think. I have to let this marinate 🤔 2d

Bookwormjillk I‘m not sure how to answer that. I‘ll have to find that documentary. Worsley‘s book about Christie is really good too. Maybe I‘ll have a chance to re-read it before next month‘s discussion and then I can answer more questions 😂 2d

dabbe To address the racist/anti-Sematic slurs in her novels and why these novels still endure is a hard question for me. Perhaps at the heart of many of Christie's novels is a deep understanding of human nature and the frequent exploration of themes of greed, jealousy, betrayal, and the darker sides of human behavior. These themes transcend cultural and temporal boundaries, making her stories relevant to successive generations of readers. 2d

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MallenNC I agree that this is a question to wrestle with. In someways I think readers accept those parts of the books as reflective of the time they were written and that it‘s excused because the stories are so good. I read Lucy‘s book but I think I need to rewatch that part of the documentary. 2d

MariaW I‘ve read Worsley‘s book as well, but did not watch the documentary. I definitely have to find it. Again, I agree with @dabbe. And I am adding another point: Christie‘s novels have become such huge part of our modern day pop culture, they are considered as classics due to all the different famous adaptions. Nowadays we have more authors and books, there is an overflow of information. This was not the case yet at the beginning of the last century. (edited) 2d

MariaW I am not sure there will be found classics of our time in a hundred years or so. (edited) 2d

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The Mysterious Affair at Styles (Poirot) | Agatha Christie

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8. According to Brewer‘s Dictionary of Phrase & Fable, a red herring is “a hint or statement in the early part of the story to put the reader on the wrong scent” (derived from the practice of dragging a smelly red herring across a path to confuse hunting dogs). How many red herrings can you find in this mystery? ~from Penguin Random House Reading Group Guide #AgathaChristieClubR3 #ChristiesCapers

dabbe 1. John Cavendish seemed to be highly suspect--until we find out that his suspicious behavior was mostly due to his anxiety about his financial situation.
2. There are letters that appear to suggest a romantic relationship between Evelyn and Dr. Bauerstein, which gives the impression that there might be a love triangle and a motive for murder, but this too is misleading and part of the complex relations to mask the real culprits. 2d

MariaW @dabbe Letters between Evie and Dr Bauerstein? I completely missed that. 🙈 Got definitely not thrown off by this one. 😂😂😂 The were so many: Inglethorp habing the affair instead of John. Lawrence insisting on the murder being a natural death, … 2d

MaleficentBookDragon The Doctor is the biggest one. The whole farmer‘s wife affair is another. I never saw where it was implied that it was John having the affair. That seemed to be pulled out of the blue at the end. Cynthia working at the pharmacy made her a suspect and red herring for me. 2d

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The Mysterious Affair at Styles (Poirot) | Agatha Christie

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7. According to the critic Anthony Lejeune, “The real secret of Agatha Christie . . . lies not in the carpentering of her plots. . .but in . . . [her] ability to buttonhole a reader, to make, as Raymond Chandler put it, ‘each page throw the hook for the next.‘ ” How does Christie build suspense in this novel? Were you surprised when the murderer was revealed? ~from Penguin Random House Reading Group Guide #AgathaChristieClubR3 #ChristiesCapers

Bookwormjillk I thought I knew who did it, and was thrown off when we learned who the real murderer was. 2d

dabbe The problem I find with detective novels sometimes is that in order for them to supply the element of fair play for the reader, we have to be given all of the clues during the story. When everything is explained to us at the end, we literally feel stupid (a la Watson) and maybe even jaded that we, in fact, weren't given all the clues until the end. I saw that in this book and quite a few others (talking to you, Conan Doyle!) 2d

MariaW I agree with @dabbe. After most of Christie‘s nocels I felt like „How was is supposed to know?“. She gives the glues most of the times, but the reader is almost unable to grasp them, at least not during the first reading. For me it is more about reading about the different relationships, encounters and the changes in ther characters that make the books interesting. I already gave up guessing the murder. 🙈 (edited) 2d

MaleficentBookDragon I know that we are supposed to have all the clues, Poirot even told Hastings a few times that he knew everything that Poirot did. But Hastings (meaning us) cannot piece them together. I suppose that is to show us how agile and different Poirot‘s mind is, but I do sometimes wish we could see the book from Poirot‘s viewpoint. I‘d love to see how he made the mental leaps he (Christie) made to get to the end of the mystery. 2d

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The Mysterious Affair at Styles (Poirot) | Agatha Christie

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6. What role do outsiders play in The Mysterious Affair at Styles? Consider, in particular, the characters of Alfred Inglethorp, Dr. Bauerstein, and Hercule Poirot. ~from Penguin Random House Reading Group Guide #AgathaChristieClubR3 #ChristiesCapers

dabbe Alfred fits the “nobody“ role who marries the rich ol' lady. Poirot is the detective who is “outside“ the realm of the regular police force--you have to have that in a detective novel, I think. Not sure about Dr. B. 2d

MallenNC I like the double meaning of outsider for Poirot. He‘s Belgian so he‘s outside of this British culture but that status doesn‘t stop him from seeing everyone as they really are. And he‘s outside of the case as a civilian (edited) 2d

MariaW There are more outsiders somehow: Hastings has been to Styles for years, Emily is the stepmother of the boys, Evie, Mary and Cynthia as well. It seems like a lot of outsiders were thrown into a salad bowl and mixed together. Dr Bauerstein is the red herring Agatha Christie needed to make the story more interesting. Poirot and Inglethorp are the antagonists - with Poirot circling Inglethorp like a cat lying in wait. 2d

MaleficentBookDragon I agree with @MariaW that there were more outsiders than insiders. Johnathon & Lawrence were the only true family. Their stepmother was never close to them emotionally. Mary just came to Styles to escape her boring life. Cynthia was the poor relation with no prospects. Emily infiltrated Styles with an evil plan. Mr. Inglethorpe, the doctor, the policemen, the farmer‘s wife; they were all a bit of window dressing to keep us confused. 2d

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The Mysterious Affair at Styles (Poirot) | Agatha Christie

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5. How would you describe the Edwardian social hierarchy that Christie establishes in the novel? Who is on the top of the ladder, and who is on the bottom? Does anyone break the rules of this well-defined social order? ~from Penguin Random House Reading Group Guide #AgathaChristieClubR3 #ChristiesCapers

dabbe It seemed to me that the Edwardian society was at the end of its run in the novel--mostly evident by Emily marrying basically a nobody. The idea of a remote country house also seemed to me to be an end-of-an-era feeling. 2d

MariaW Changes can be seen at the horizon for sure. Less personnel around, the ladies have to work… only the men still seem to do nothing (except being in the war). That Inglethorpe was penniless made the shock for the family even more terrible. 2d

MaleficentBookDragon It was interesting to see how there was a wistful nostalgia about the old ways from both Mrs. Inglethorpe (to be expected of the “lady of the house”) but also by a few of the servants like Dorcus. Fear of change perhaps? 2d

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The Mysterious Affair at Styles (Poirot) | Agatha Christie

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4. According to Agatha Christie, when she wrote The Mysterious Affair at Styles she saw it as “a story with a moral; in fact it was the old Everyman Morality Tale, the hunting down of Evil and the triumph of Good...” How is this reflected in the characters in the novel? Did you find them realistic, or did you think they were stereotypical? ~based on Penguin Random House Reading Group Guide #AgathaChristieClubR3 #ChristiesCapers

dabbe I found them as realistic as they could be--being all rich and living in a luxurious mansion--which for the “everyman“ is a fantasy. The fact that the crime involved the gain of material wealth definitely is realistic since a lot of criminality is for that very reason. 2d

MallenNC I agree @dabbe that money is the motive in a lot of crime is the realistic part of this story— just watch a Dateline episode to see that. 2d

MariaW I thought the notion of a younger man marrying an older woman for the money seemed very stereotypical even though it came out very late in the novel. Especially how the whole family reacted the move of their stepmother. I think for the working class it might have have satisfactory to see the upper class cutting their throats over their inheritance. 2d

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