Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction

Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

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TheBookHippie I think by us reading this or these we are reading what is without the extremist views, mostly and I think it is really smart to do. I think we have pre conceived notions about all people and religions and when reading we see there is not much different in any religion and also how far extremist take it...if that makes sense..... 13mo

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TheBookHippie The Prophet (SAAS) says: 'Women are the (equal) sisters of men'. Women make up half of society and they are responsible for the nurturing, guidance and reformation of the subsequent generations of men and women. It is the female who imbues principles and faith into the souls of the nation.
I remember reading this and thinking how close it is to Judaism and how far it is from Christianity .........

This was my understanding before reading this 13mo

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TheBookHippie I believe we are a soul, first. But that's my hippie side I am sure. 13mo

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TheBookHippie Let's try and see what happens???
Seriously though, yes to say that you can cloud judgement. gain an unwanted addicted...... 13mo

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

From this point onwards, these questions have been on my phone for a week now (10/28) and I totally forgot to post. Sorry guys. I promise I have a brain in here somewhere… I just have to… find it…
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TheBookHippie AHA. It is good and bad... HAHAHAHA. Just because it feels good doesn't mean it is okay. There are rules. NOT the rules of the far right religious idiots but common decency consent etc.... 13mo

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

If so, where can I meet this entity? I have some questions. Thank you.
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TheBookHippie Could I make an appointment please? Is the Divine all knowledge or is all knowledge the Divine? AND if Eve ate of the tree of knowledge why didn't she gain it all? 13mo

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

This one seemed interesting to me. Does this mean every fiction author is prophet?
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TheBookHippie IT is like fate, destiny, kismet yes? 13mo

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TheBookHippie Good grief no. Some are intellectual and some are not. Some have capability for it some do not. I think I think this because it keeps me sane. HA. 13mo

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TheBookHippie I do think there are multiple layers of knowledge ... I think you can know in differing ways as well: heart-mind-soul-body...
I do think that is what people do not understand or pay attention to or honor. 13mo

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So sorry. The next series of questions have been on my phone since 10/24. I totally forgot to post them. I am so sorry.
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TheBookHippie No worries! I‘ll get to these soon! 13mo

TheBookHippie Apparently it is NOT. OY VEY.
I do not think so... should be though. 13mo

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

It seems like the same question over and over, but there are subtle differences to each one.
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TheBookHippie Exist possibly for whom seems to be the question and in what form....... 13mo

TheBookHippie Coincidently my reading Rumi everyday has made me think even more.....that I just do not know ... 13mo

bnp I am behind, just starting reading about eternity today. Maybe I'll have more comments in a day or two. 13mo

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GingerAntics @bnp that‘s okay! I haven‘t read Chapter 5 yet. lol How did I end up in charge here? 13mo

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics 😂😵‍💫🤦🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🙃 we all get it done eventually 13mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie lol I finished it last week… then completely forgot to post. 13mo

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics WHOOPS 13mo

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TheBookHippie Possibly so. I still am stuck on my own thoughts. 13mo

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TheBookHippie Ah, here in lies the rub............. What makes time?
Time as we understand it is not how others have always, time is relative I believe. 13mo

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There was a lot of eternity in this chapter to go along with all the necessity.
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TheBookHippie I do think yes. On and on and on it goes......... 13mo

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Sorry I‘m getting these up so late. It‘s been a weird weekend here. Also, lots of talk about the necessity of things in this book.
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TheBookHippie Necessity for some, not for others. I've no answer for this other than for some people apparently this is their whole life. I do not have any respect for people who live what they perceive as good for a good eternity. Necessary- not truly, do we hope for it- some do. Do I hope to roam the comos or the other side with Mr Book Hippie- yes. 13mo

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TheBookHippie I think yes but it isn‘t always good. A prophet comes to mind… still thinking on this.. 14mo

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TheBookHippie I think the or a Divine is necessary for some and not for others. I loathe that the perceived poor are preyed upon for you need Jesus trope to get Christian‘s crowns in their Heaven place. Personally the mystery of the Divine works for me. A god with rules and scare tactics- nope.. what is god is a better thought. Certainly not what Christian‘s in their rules and box portray him to be. My faith and beliefs are at a comfortable place now but ⬇️ 14mo

TheBookHippie I sure did wrestle it out and get indoctrinated otherwise .. 😵‍💫 14mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie same… it‘s really hard to separate what we‘ve been taught vs what we actually believe. 13mo

Ericalambbrown I feel like man created god. From a strictly evolutionary sense, it makes sense. Humans are hardwired to recognize patterns, try to create order, etc. The idea of a deity delivering explanation for things early people didn‘t understand and mandates to keep the tribe together is very useful for a group trying to bring about the next generation. The idea of an authoritarian deity is a useful tool and makes sense evolutionarily. (edited) 13mo

GingerAntics @Ericalambbrown I definitely the modern, mainstream views of god are definitely as you described. Evolutionarily, it was how groups/tribes kept going and managed to thrive over time. I definitely think there is a minority of people trying to shift back to before that mentality, but of course it‘s only a modern approximation. 13mo

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TheBookHippie Personally there‘s a few people that are NOT necessary currently 🤣🤣😵‍💫😅🤦🏻‍♀️ I don‘t think everything is necessary. I truly don‘t. others would say we need it all … I get tripped up in the word we don‘t need it all or everything … 🤷🏻‍♀️ 14mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie agree on pretty much all of that. Yeah 13mo

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TheBookHippie I asked this once why can‘t it just be an entity on its own … still no answers. Need? Not necessarily .. 14mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie same… maybe it has a creator… maybe it‘s its own creator… dunno 13mo

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

Finally posting last week‘s chapter. I was stupid and got my flu shot and my COVID shot at the same time yesterday, and I have spent all but a few hours asleep today. As soon as I finish posting, I‘m back to bed. I hope everyone else is doing well.
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TheBookHippie Oh no I just reminded my friend not to do both shots!!!! Ugh. Rest well! 14mo

TheBookHippie I was wrestling with this and is knowledge like truth? Theirs yours others and the truth(s) somewhere in it is the absolute. Is the Divine absolute truth and knowledge and we have but a fraction ? I think knowledge in general is different from your personal knowledge 🤷🏻‍♀️ but you need both and the ability to gain more. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ 14mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie totally agree… I also think that if you could somehow gather the knowledge of every single person on earth, past, present, and future, you probably could create a tome that would be the entirety of all knowable knowledge… but of course that‘s impossible. 13mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie oh my god, I ended up having to leave work early on Monday and didn‘t even try to go in Tuesday. I thought I was doing better, but I‘ve slept most of today now, so probably still moving through it. Never doing covid with any other shots again. 13mo

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

Speaking of all of us being perpetually behind… I fell asleep with my book and audiobook open and ready to go. I‘m hoping to get to it today and post tonight. Sorry, guys.
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TheBookHippie NO WORRIES. I have to read it yet!! OY. 14mo

ravenlee No sweat, we‘ll be here when it happens. 14mo

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I woke up to this as the daily quote from one of my meditation apps. It‘s like it knows what I‘m reading!
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ravenlee I read one of her books last year and found it important, if not as easily readable as Audre Lorde, for instance. She died just a couple of years ago. 1y

TheBookHippie I love Bell Hooks everything she writes is good. 1y

kspenmoll I like this-just started to be able to read consistently – my energy level is slowly slowly, returning from my surgery9/7. 1y

GingerAntics @kspenmoll oof da! Yeah, surgery can really do a number on you in ways you don‘t necessarily expect. I‘m glad you‘re minimally starting to feel better. 1y

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TheBookHippie Personally I think it‘s all mystery. Those who are certain about the divine or god are certainly incorrect . I don‘t think it‘s possible, which is a comfort. People who are certain have so much fear. I find that telling. 1y

ravenlee Doesn‘t it seem like hubris to claim that a mere mortal can know all the secrets of the divine? Anybody who claims to have all the answers is probably selling something. (edited) 1y

kspenmoll Agree w @TheBookHippie @ravenlee 1y

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TheBookHippie @ravenlee 💯💯💯 1y

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GingerAntics @ravenlee so true! They want your money one way or the other. 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that is always so odd to me. The people with the most certainty are always the most fearful, while those who are able to rest in the mystery of the divine are not afraid at all, just curious. It certainly explains why those who think they have all the answers are terrified of knowledge. 1y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Yup. Boggles the mind. 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie it really does! Even from my own experience, I thought I could find all the answers within religious texts and the whole time I was wondering if I was getting it wrong, if I was missing something, why would god make people a specific way and then call that way wrong? I was just so filled with questions and doubts and contradictions between all the “answers.” As soon as I let go of the idea of having answers, all of that calmed. 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie there is a peace in admitting you don‘t have answers and will never have answers. There is a peace in being open to the divine where you are and in the things you love instead of designated places and events. It changes everything and nothing, all at once. 1y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics Exactly. It‘s a peace at last. 1y

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ravenlee Interesting - the book I‘ve been tagging all week is about the science of uncertainty (which, for the most part, seems to be largely about probability and statistics and contains a LOT of math that I don‘t understand). In a philosophical sense, the people who are the most certain in their beliefs tend to be the ones written into history as either martyrs or fools. 1y

GingerAntics @ravenlee I will definitely agree with that. Martyrs and fools seem to be the only people who are certain. 1y

TheBookHippie Certain that I‘ll never know everything 🙃 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I feel like that is the only true certainty. The snake oil salesmen who want to sell certainty of the lord or whatever, don‘t have anything to sell by fear and suffering. The only real certainty is that the only certainty you can ever have is that you will never have all the answers. 1y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics that and that no one else does either! 1y

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ravenlee Is this a “should” or a real-world question? Because ideally, all people should possess and seek knowledge, but in reality most people seem to hide from it, burrowing into the sand and sticking fingers in ears. Knowledge, after all, might threaten their carefully-constructed fantasies. 1y

GingerAntics @ravenlee I guess a little of both. It‘s more about your belief on the matter, but it‘s definitely something I think the majority of the group is going to disagree about with the loudest voices right now. 1y

TheBookHippie I think seeking knowledge should be possessed by everyone in the fluid sense of the word. 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I agree with that. I think that is the natural state of the human mind, honestly. Why else would these high control religious groups and Christo-fascists be so hell bent on stopping curiosity and actual knowledge? 1y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics you can‘t control that so the only way is to not allow knowledge of any kind. It‘s why they ban books and the first people silenced are artist -writers -poets -musicians… 1y

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ravenlee Listen to other (non-hysterical) viewpoints, be open to dialogue, be willing to change your mind when evidence supports it. Seek out differing ideas and traditions. Read! 1y

GingerAntics @ravenlee I think the most important one of these is being “willing to change your mind when evidence supports it.” So many people aren‘t open to doing that at all, and they‘re not afraid or ashamed to admit it. They call it faith and conviction. Reality makes it wilful ignorance. 1y

TheBookHippie Open mind, ability to question, ability to accept change, ability to learn a new way. Ability to accept there may be no answer. 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie questions are not sacrilege, questions are the only path to the everything beyond the self! 1y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics To question is to be a Jew 😅♥️ 1y

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If so, what is it? Is this elitist?
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ravenlee That sounds totalitarian to me. If we look back to all those religious schisms over what is orthodox and what is heresy, and in the scientific world we‘ve seen scientists lambasted for ideas that turn out, ages later, to be true (I‘m thinking about the scientists who posited continental shift and Pangaea, for instance)…it just seems that those who try to claim a monopoly on truth or knowledge tend to turn off their ears and brains and 👇🏻 (edited) 1y

ravenlee (cont) double down on their own versions in spite of evidence to the contrary. 1y

GingerAntics @ravenlee precisely… which ties in well with the next question. I do think it‘s very totalitarian and fascist to claim only one thing is knowledge and that everything must be understood from one point of view. 1y

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TheBookHippie It‘s fluid, that‘s my belief. Ever changing. 🙃 1y

kspenmoll No! Sorry, responding without reading. Still recovering from my surgery.9/7. 1y

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GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I think that‘s the best way to put it. Because today‘s knowledge will be supplanted by tomorrow‘s knowledge, it‘s hard to say that knowledge is this or must be recognised in this way or can only come from this place. It‘s constantly changing, so the answer to this (other than a steadfast no) would be different every day anyway… which basically makes the answer no. 1y

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll no worries we are all perpetually behind! 1y

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ravenlee Enlightened spirituality is the only kind that can‘t be threatened by another worldview. 1y

GingerAntics Just saw this on IG and it looks like someone just jumped right into the convo… “Yes, reason has been a part of organized religion, ever since two nudists took dietary advice from a talking snake.”
-Jon Stewart 1y

GingerAntics @ravenlee 100% agree! I think too many Americans these days have abandoned the “enlightened” part of the equation. Enlightenment, now referred to as “woke” is their enemy. 1y

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ravenlee It seems like they realize their faith can‘t stand up to scrutiny, so any person or idea that challenges part of their house of cards must be ignored, or destroyed. 1y

TheBookHippie @ravenlee Exactly. 1y

TheBookHippie @ravenlee @GingerAntics it helps to look at it as narcissism what do they do when they‘re held accountable … 1y

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I wonder how harmonious it actually was. I also wonder what everyone‘s problem is now.
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ravenlee I encountered this period of openness, coexistence, and shared knowledge when kiddo and I studied medieval history four years ago (we‘re studying it again this year). I was shocked. I had no idea there was a Muslim court that encouraged immigration and scholarship by Christian and Jewish thinkers. It seems so antithetical to our view of the Islamic world. And, admittedly, it was fairly short-lived and the following years were very reactionary. 1y

ravenlee As far as how harmonious, I would venture to guess that it was about qualified toleration rather than honest coexistence, and that certainly led to the ensuing Reconquista in the Iberian regions. 1y

bnp Not surprised because I've heard of it before. But like #ravenlee, I think that's harmonious with qualifications. I think there were often special taxes Christians and Jews paid while living in Muslim empires. 1y

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GingerAntics @ravenlee that is so cool. I can‘t believe this was never discussed in my crusades class in grad school. That was just a lot of war and killing each other (and propaganda writing from both sides). 1y

GingerAntics @bnp that‘s not surprising at all. Hell, christians did the same to Jewish people and Muslims in their empires. 1y

TheBookHippie It was coexistence .. people have forgotten how to do this and instead of looking at other as different they look at them as enemy. Something else entirely. 1y

TheBookHippie Not surprised but long for…. 1y

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ravenlee Honestly, I just kind of shake my head at these hotly-debated questions about if a holy text is eternal/infinite/divine then it threatens the divinity/infinitude/eternity of god but if it‘s god‘s word isn‘t it an emanation of his divinity…it‘s all just such tautology to me. 1y

bnp divine in and if itself? No. Inspired by, possibly. But not without human agency in creating/collating a text. 1y

GingerAntics @ravenlee @bnp this is what got me at first. I went through these ideas and arrived at a few memes actually. Jesus could come back right now, and today‘s christians, at least here in America, would kill him, lock him up, whatever. They are seriously offended and angry at the idea that Jesus isn‘t a white dude. 🙄 American christians will never say this, but they worship that book above all else, including the real Jesus. 1y

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TheBookHippie @GingerAntics this. They worship a book they misconstrued on purpose to control people. 1y

TheBookHippie @ravenlee 🎉👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 1y

TheBookHippie Not in an of itself, no. In fact I‘m fairly sure God himself wouldn‘t want it to be used as it is. 😵‍💫 (edited) 1y

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

Sorry I‘ve been awol all week. It‘s been a weird couple of weeks here. Hopefully I‘m back to normal now.
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ravenlee I‘ve been learning a lot these last few years about the history I I‘d studied as a kid (hooray for homeschooling!), and I‘m fascinated by the way that during Europe‘s Dark Ages the Islamic world kept learning alive, and how so much of what the Europeans rediscovered or relearned later was only available because Muslim scholars had saved it. 1y

GingerAntics @ravenlee right? It‘s so fascinating that the fact a lot of our knowledge from the humanist period onward was only possible because of the preservation of a people we ignore at best and want to get rid of at worst. People act like the western world is so much more educated, so much smarter, but we literally burned this stuff down. People at the fringes and outside of that system are the ones that preserved it. 1y

TheBookHippie @ravenlee This. My exact thoughts .. I have learned so much as an adult I wish I‘d learned as a child. 1y

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TheBookHippie @GingerAntics it just astounds me. It also blows my mind how much Christianity steals, that was thought while reading… 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie @ravenlee Protestants like to believe they are so different from catholics, but their world view is very much shaped by Catholic thought and propaganda from this time period. 1y

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics that was my thought process! 1y

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GingerAntics

Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

What were you expecting before we started this book, and what are you thinking after reading the introduction? Did anything surprise you?
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TheBookHippie What‘s is fascinating to me is the languages and the multi religious factions. Also side note: when I stated mentoring Muslim children from Pakistan if I would say a Yiddish phrase or word they understood it and I was so perplexed their father who did speak English somewhat said oh yes you Jew -Judaism friend -Judaism peace Muslim peace .. it all makes sense now! 🙃🙃🙃 The 622 is helpful as well. How did I not know this??? I‘m very intrigued. 1y

TheBookHippie I‘m not sure what I was expecting but I do know mentoring Muslim refugees changed my opinion of Islam for sure. Not that I had a bad opinion. I was more at a loss of knowledge. I‘m still operating on little knowledge. I think bias is taught of their worst faction instead of the majority. I need to learn more. 1y

ravenlee I‘m actually really excited about this introduction 😆 I like that we‘re going to get more than the “golden years of Muslim philosophy.” I‘ve been wanting to learn more about how the Islamic world kept learning alive during the Dark Ages, and it sounds like we‘ll get into some of that here. 1y

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TheBookHippie @ravenlee 🙃 I agree. 1y

bnp I'm excited to learn more about kalam & Sufism as well as falsafa. I've been curious about trying to learn this non- western view for awhile. 1y

bnp The big question I have is what is (is there) a difference between theology and philosophy in Islamic thought? Author defines kalam as theology or rational theology, so seems to include as a stream of philosophy? 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I‘m sure that‘s the same with Christianity. If you don‘t really know any Christians and you turn on the news, all you‘re going to see is Christian nationalists and white supremacists. It would be shocking to learn after seeing that, that Christianity started in the Middle East. 1y

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie they know Yiddish?! At least the popular sayings. That‘s impressive! I swear, the level of multiculturalism around the world is so much higher than here. Kids elsewhere are exposed to multiple languages, multiple cultures regularly from the beginning. Then you get to America and we‘re so bloody insular. 🙄 (edited) 1y

GingerAntics @bnp even in western thought, theology is a branch of philosophy (you certainly wouldn‘t get that from the most vocal Christians of course). It will be interesting to see how that connection is interpreted in different traditions, though. 1y

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GingerAntics

Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

Alright, this is officially the schedule. Everybody get your orders in if you haven‘t already or your library holds. Let me know if you have any issues.
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ravenlee Sounds great! Hopefully I don‘t have any crises in my life to sabotage this one like the Jewish philosophy one! Starting discussions on my birthday is (hopefully) an auspicious beginning. 1y

GingerAntics @ravenlee oh god, I‘m so sorry. 🤞🏻 Hopefully this one goes better. 1y

bnp #GingerAntucs Please tag me. I've got my kindle copy & plan to start tonight 1y

GingerAntics Did it not come up for you that you were tagged? You‘re right there in the list. 1y

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

The next book (after Jewish Philosophy) will be this one, in case you want to get the next few books all at once. We will set the schedule for this one as soon as we finish Jewish Philosophy.
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ravenlee And this one arrived, too. I‘m set for a bit! 2y

GingerAntics @ravenlee I love that feeling! 2y

bnp @GingerAntics Hi - Can you tag me for this one? This will be August-September time frame, correct? Look forward to learning about something I know nothing about. 2y

GingerAntics @bnp yeah, we‘ll probably start this in August. I sure can. When I post the schedule, remind me to add you to my tag list. 1y

bnp @GingerAntics Will do. 1y

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Philosophy in the Islamic World: A Very Short Introduction | Peter Adamson

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GingerAntics According to Apple Books, this one is about 144 pages. 2y

bnp @GingerAntics - is this a group read? How does it work? 2y

GingerAntics @bnp hey! Welcome to the party! Right now we were working on picking our next read. Then we will all ready a chapter a week and discuss at the end of the week (or when you get to that part of the book - sometimes we fall behind and shift or people read a couple chapters at a time and catch up that way, it just depends). We‘re not super strict around here. It‘s more for the great discussions. If you‘d like, I can tag you. 2y

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