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Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

Sedna is mentioned in the first part of this chapter so i thought i would share the Goddess card reflection of her I have. If you read it I would be curious to hear how it was received or impacted your thoughts in relation to this chapter and yourself.

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AnnCrystal I love this! Sedna was one of the first I read about when I began researching my own Ancestral World.

My ancestors are from Arizona, grandma of my mom's mother.

But I consider the whole of the Americas as my Ancestral World.

This was fascinating for me. Not the tragic of the story, because is felt equal in the extraordinary elements to the tales I read from other “outside“ cultures. From Greece, Nordic, Egypt, Asian, etc.

Epic 👏🏼🤩👍🏼💝💝. (edited) 1w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

My responses are leaving high school, endings of friendships, home the way i lived in it and going to college, then leaving college and going to work- then end of childhood and beginning of adulting…. and of course life after divorce - This cycle does play out in numerous ways through life experiences.

TheBookHippie I worked in locked units-I left it when my daughter was 3 -I just couldn‘t risk myself -I loved it so, but I switched to locked Alzheimer‘s units -at the time this was normal.. I did this for a long time but had to quit when pregnant with my son, when I switched over to education and reading literacy advocacy. All things that were bittersweet. 1w

GingerAntics The only thing this brought to mind to me was genuine childhood. When I hit puberty, a lot of my hopes were dashed… so it wasn‘t necessarily a happier/better beginning, but I think it‘s getting there for me. 1w

nanuska_153 I changed my speciality a couple times, I get the feeling that I need to learn something new from time to time and I switch.Currently trying to change from being the door that everyone knocks when they have a Property Law question to start from 0 in Criminal Law. It's always scary because I like to be considered an expert and it's tough to go through the stress of not knowing how to do your job,but if I feel I can't grow anymore I have to leave. 1w

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Chrissyreadit

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

This chapter was interesting- It seemed to have a significant overlap with parts work as well as shadow work. The part that gives up, the part that gets distracted, the part that perseveres… I can relate to all of it. The concept of shadow work is in accepting the parts of ourselves we are uncomfortable with. Through a somatic lens it‘s recognizing the body and brain want us to be safe. My ADHD brain is better suited to some tasks!

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Chrissyreadit I know there are times i‘ve had to be stern with myself, use timers and trackers as well as ask for help and grace. This activity is a great example! I love it- but reading, then writing questions all require my focus more than most tasks- and Sometimes it feels overwhelming- and i‘m easily distracted. But once i start i‘m all in!!! 2w

TheBookHippie No. And people get so upset that this is true of me 🫠😝😅🫣 … 2w

Cuilin Ugh ADHD here too. I go between hating this about myself and then other times completely just accepting it and going with the flow. (And if that is not an indicator of being ADHD, I don‘t know what is lol) but I‘m tired of carrying the shame and guilt. 2w

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kspenmoll Please do not,try not to feel shame, guilt. It‘s such a struggle,I know.My mom had our family very organized- school, homework, rotating work chart-I learned to be open about my ADD but it is easy at work as I work with spec ed students-also, much of my family is similar.The ability to hyper focus is a gift- losing things or leaving them behind is not! but the Tile app is my best friend for finding keys, wallet, even my kindle !!!! 2w

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll my daughter struggles too. 1w

TheBookHippie @Cuilin I think so many creative people have ADHD. It just makes you you … 1w

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll what is the tile app 1w

kspenmoll @TheBookHippie Tile has new name https://www.life360.com/tile-trackers/products/combo-packs 1w

kspenmoll @TheBookHippie I “lose” my phone all over the resource room, etc at work. I just hit the tile button attachment on my key chain. I have one stuck to my kindle, in my wallet, etc. they come in all sizes. Best Buy carries them I think as well as mail order. Not cheap but you can get replacement batteries for some. (edited) 1w

TheBookHippie @kspenmoll thanks!!! 1w

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Women who Run with the Wolves: Contacting the Power of the Wild Woman | Clarissa Pinkola Est's

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Darklunarose I really enjoyed this book a few years back. And she isn‘t wrong about love. 1mo

IriDas I‘m afraid I don‘t agree. If everything tells you to leave, you should look into that feeling. Because if you truly love, you won‘t get that feeling unless there‘s a very serious problem. 1mo

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Chrissyreadit @IriDas I think this is complicated and nuanced- and depends on the perspective of the quote for sure. You are right that too many times women stay in dangerous relationships with a misconception of love. Maybe the first step is defining healthy love, then feeling safe when it is healthy. 1mo

kspenmoll @IriDas I truly appreciate your point of view and it certainly is valid. My perspective is different because of my 34 year-old marriage-early in our marriage my husband suffered a series of devastating losses: after 22 yrs.,he lost the job he was passionate about due to a buy out, his younger brother died suddenly, leaving behind an infant & 5 yr.old, his mother died of cancer. He succumbed to a deep depression. I was left to take care of ⬇️ (edited) 1mo

kspenmoll @IriDas ⬆️ our 4 yr. old, manage the household, manage my ongoing recovery from a previous car accident, look for a job. I did indeed feel like “running” as fast as I could! But I chose to stay if he would get treatment.I was lucky to have the support of family & friends. He found the tight treatment, embraced it & worked his way back to the land of the living.In the process he was diagnosed with Autism like our son. I went to work & grad ⬇️ (edited) 1mo

kspenmoll @IriDas school & he was home with our son. I know many women do not run from abusive situations- I have a sister & close friend who eventually left theirs.thank you for your response to this post; it certainly caused me to reflect more deeply on what I posted.💕💕 (edited) 1mo

IriDas @kspenmoll Thanks for sharing your story. It helped understand your perspective and why that quote resonated with you. So glad to hear that your husband was willing to seek help. It truly makes me happy to hear. I realize that I too should have probably phrased my last sentence better. I wish we lived in a society where people didn‘t use quotes like this one to shame people into staying in bad situations and that more stories ended like yours. 💕 1mo

Chrissyreadit @kspenmoll Thank you for sharing your story. The power of your resilience and love was beautiful. 1mo

Chrissyreadit What did you go to grad school for? 1mo

kspenmoll @Chrissyreadit My Masters is in Special Education! 1mo

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GingerAntics

Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

Just wanted to share this with the group, because it‘s a very interesting look… from both sides

https://youtu.be/lrYx7HaUlMY?si=mWVM55-bxGE4Nv09

@Chrissyreadit @CaroPi, @Cuilin, @TheBookHippie, @Deblovestoread, @zezeki, @BookwormAHN, @PathfinderNicole, @ravenlee, @dabbe, @ElizaMarie, @ImperfectCJ, @nanuska_153, @nosufoxes, @lil1inblue

Chrissyreadit I have watched her before. I love this talk tbh. Thank you for sharing! 1mo

GingerAntics @Chrissyreadit she is great. She‘s given others, too. I‘ve watched one other, but somewhere I read she‘d done several, so I must find them all. 1mo

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kspenmoll

Women who Run with the Wolves: Contacting the Power of the Wild Woman | Clarissa Pinkola Est's

From ch. 3. Loved this chapter with its stories & lore. #wildwoman

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TheBookHippie My Bubbe told me Vasilisa stories . A beautiful picture book you may enjoy and is probably at your library

Vasilisa the Beautiful: A Russian Folktale

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kspenmoll @TheBookHippie Thank you! I will look for it! 1mo

AnnCrystal Wow! 💝💝💝. 1mo

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Women Who Run with the Wolves: Myths and Stories of the Wild Woman Archetype | Clarissa Pinkola Est�s Phd

I have been wondering why this subgenre is so popular. As someone who has been stalked and assaulted I have a hard time finding the romance in any of this- it lends more to horror for me (although i did think Hooked told a good story and was shocked i liked it) But when reading chapter 2 in the book I wonder if this is a different way to understand the dark man in our psyches. Or is this representing our Shadows and our own dark sides? I have

Chrissyreadit so many thoughts and hopes for discussion on this topic- What do these books heal in us? or What messages do you get from genres with more violence and/or taboo themes? How do you respond to taboo? Could that be a dark man in your life? 1mo

GingerAntics Yeah, I‘ve wondered that myself. I used to enjoy those books as a teen, until I was stalked, abused, etc. Now they just don‘t sit right with me. I‘ve always seen it as the predator trying to convince us that their harm is actually good/romantic. I find it troubling that more and more of this is written by women. 1mo

TheBookHippie @Chrissyreadit @GingerAntics interestingly I‘ve found unhealed women read these and healed women abhor them. Only reason I say this is it‘s how I feel and then I got into a discussion with some women and they said they read it for comfort because it was comforting. When they got to healing and therapy they no longer could read it. Interesting. I honestly don‘t know over all- that‘s a tiny group here at a women shelter book club. I personally ⬇️ 1mo

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TheBookHippie Don‘t read this type of book. I don‘t read certain subjects because I do not believe it‘s ethical and is sometimes theater trauma or voyeur trauma. No thanks. There are things I lived I care not to read about. It‘s not what I use reading for. I however have no issue with people who need it or want it. Personal choice is not my business. 🙃 1mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie that‘s a really valid point. If some people want to read it, like it, more power to them I guess. I still find it heartbreaking that falling for the predator is this massive trope. I mean, even Beauty and the Beast falls into this. We‘re selling it to little kids as normal. 1mo

TheBookHippie @GingerAntics I adored dark fairytales as a child and they were comforting because no happy ending and it was real. Like my life. Disney fairytales made me angry because I felt it was lying. It is probably why I adore Alice in Wonderland more than the others. I still love Dark FairyTales but now it‘s just nostalgia -look what saved me. 1mo

lil1inblue @TheBookHippie I tend to agree with you. I don't find an overall value in this type of book, and it does feel voyeuristic. Not gonna judge others for reading it, but it's not for me. 🎯 1mo

BookwormAHN I don't know, I read Anne Rice's Beauty novels as a teenager and they really freaked me out. Having said that Haunting Adeline is on my tbr. I think it just depends on the story and my mood 🤷🏼‍♀️ 1mo

ravenlee I wonder if some of the appeal of reading this is that, at any point, you can put it down. It‘s a small power, but sometimes that‘s all you‘ve got. Maybe the glimpse into the male motivation validates something for some readers (largely the ones who think rape is about sex rather than power - I had someone explain rape fantasy to me as “making a man so wild he can‘t overcome his desire for me” 🤢). 1mo

GingerAntics @ravenlee 🤮 gross! I don‘t mind a mutual chasing fantasy, where a couple who have developed a relationship and trust have this shared fantasy of chasing and catching and whatever… because it‘s mutual and it‘s a good time for all. I just don‘t understand rape fantasies, though. Just, gross. It seriously sounds like something a man made up and convinced some women they actually had. 1mo

GingerAntics @TheBookHippie I like original fairytales too. They are more about teaching kids about life and reality than this Disney crap. I loved Disney movies as a kid, but mostly for the music. If it‘s a musical, I‘ll watch just about anything. lol 1mo

TheBookHippie @ravenlee controlling the narrative is big. Rape is about power and control. So they are controlling at what they can take in is plausible. Uncontrollable desire is a myth. Insecure women fall for it everyday … 1mo

AmyG I am always fascinated by people who do things I‘d never dream of doing. What compels them. It‘s all about understanding why. @ravenlee Yes…understanding the motivation. But I don‘t read these either or don‘t intentionally read them or even like them. (edited) 1mo

AnnCrystal This is an incredible thread to read through.

Personally I can't read stories or watch movies with this kind of romance...well, too much gore or sex just gets annoying anyway...but painting this kind of sinister romance seems dangerous.

I like a good beauty and the beast story, there's a message there. There's more to a person besides their “good“ or “bad“ looks.

But respect and trust in a relationship should be things that are highlighted. 👇 1mo

AnnCrystal I haven't read these titles, but I have had the opportunity to buy each of these books. Thankfully I researched beforehand or read the book's “warning.“

I have accidentally read books like these. If too terrible, they usually get donated, unfinished. Otherwise I skip along.

I feel that stories like these might make a young girl believe that this kind of disrespect is ok, natural, acceptable.

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AnnCrystal In a world with so many predators and bullies, we need stories that teach our young girls what respect means.

I believe there are many of us who are looking warriors, and so many mistake cruelty for strength... (edited) 1mo

ElizaMarie So, I am behind on the #WildWomenReading, so I am going to answer this (but not using the current reading to guide my discussion). I have been stalked/beaten/tortured/sexually assaulted AND I have read these types of books (only Lights Out on this list). I don't know why I do. I don't know if its a feeling of control. Like I can read about these things, and be fully “safe“. I watch documentaries about DV, watch Law & Order SVU, podcast truecrime ⬇ 1mo

ElizaMarie And yet, when I feel unsafe or triggered. I can use my coping skills, or totally avoid/DNF/quit the subject. I don't know if it's a test of my boundaries and my feelings of safety, or what it is. I am currently reading this one and am very much struggling with it. He is a stalker/user/rapist. I am more than likely going to DNF it. Some of these dark “romances“ are about stalking and/or coercion, but they try to pretend the woman finds it ⬇ (edited) 1mo

ElizaMarie desirable. Which helps me not think of it as “rape“ even though the parallels are there. 1mo

ElizaMarie @ravenlee I answered this, then went back and read everyone's comments - I think that's what it does for me. I can put it down. I can choose, where in the past, that choice was taken from me. 1mo

ElizaMarie @AnnCrystal I agree with the concern of having young girls feel this type of male attention is “normal“ or should be “sought“. I, too, worry about what we teach children (both boys and girls) about consent, respect, kindness, and general human-ness.

I don't know how old. You are, but have you seen stories about how we as a society talked about women's bodies in the 90s? That was my teenage years and deeply ingrained into my psyche. 1mo

AnnCrystal @ElizaMarie 💝🫂💝 the 90s were my childhood years.

That's true, we need to teach the boys too. We need to encourage these important teachings into our children daily lives.

For one of the books I accidentally read recently, I went researching about it after and saw a review from a young woman. She said it had been the very first book she ever read and believed that the abuse in the book was just how romance was, normal. 1mo

AnnCrystal @ElizaMarie that review has really remain with me. The same reviewer stated that she has now read other books, and has come to realize her mistake. But her words spoke volume.

You're right. I believe so much more work needs to be done to educate our children on what a healthy relationship truly is...

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ElizaMarie @AnnCrystal wow that review is so powerfully heartbreaking. I can see why it stuck. (Thanks for sharing that with me) 1mo

AnnCrystal @ElizaMarie 🥲👌🏼💝🫂💝. 1mo

Chrissyreadit @ElizaMarie @AnnCrystal One thing i find interesting is that sex in the books i grew up reading was always focused on male pleasure or denegrating women… or that women are left… or get pregnant and left- We really did not have any sex positive stuff- Then i remember Delta of Venus…. written by Anais Nin and very rough for women…. 1mo

AnnCrystal @Chrissyreadit 📚🥺📚 Terrible truth. I will search about Anais Nin 😉👍🏼📚💝.

Most of the books that seem easiest to run across are usually the ones showcasing abuse and bullying as romance. It enrages me that it seems so difficult to find romance stories that depict good, well structured relationships.

Truthfully, I'm not much of a romance reader, I prefer love stories to that are woven into the background of the main story events. 1mo

AnnCrystal @ElizaMarie I checked my notes. The book I was referring to was:

Twisted love by Ana Huang, the review had been on Goodreads.

Just wanted to make a reference note.

📚💝📚. 1mo

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